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Author Topic: MT 10, 11 and 13 Combination  (Read 6988 times)

Offline Alexioco

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MT 10, 11 and 13 Combination
« on: May 28, 2008, 05:25:36 PM »
Here we go again, I have come across something else you should all find interesting...

Lets go one step at a time...

MT: If the levers are reversed then we get this...

(http://i30.tinypic.com/1zba2o2.jpg)

Now when the weights are like this,  you can make the weights fall into the centre near the bottom and fall out near the top which is good...

Now if we look at MT 11 its doubled and Bessler says there is more in it than meets the eye as you will see when he pulls back the curtain...

Well keeping MT 11 in mind, look at MT 13, the extra bit are lever used for going over the wheel at the top can be used in another way, if you more of those extra bit of levers, you get this...

(http://i25.tinypic.com/2d7h6ip.jpg)

Now go back to MT 11 and put the inner weights inside MT 13 and the inner weights when they fall back can lift the outer weights up, also if you reverse a few things in MT 13 then the weights can fall forward and lift the weights that way to...



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MT 10, 11 and 13 Combination
« on: May 28, 2008, 05:25:36 PM »

Offline martinzurix

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Re: MT 10, 11 and 13 Combination
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2008, 05:30:40 PM »
it finds equilibrium point and stops !!!

Offline broli

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Re: MT 10, 11 and 13 Combination
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2008, 06:04:18 PM »
it finds equilibrium point and stops !!!

Thanks genius.

Alexioco, could you explain/illustrate more what you mean by  "also if you reverse a few things in MT 13 then the weights can fall forward and lift the weights that way to..."

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Re: MT 10, 11 and 13 Combination
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2008, 06:04:18 PM »
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Offline martinzurix

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Re: MT 10, 11 and 13 Combination
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2008, 06:38:23 PM »
this system is closed loop ..  there no energy flow.

energy used to lift up weight in cycle start position is equal to falling weight energy .


gravity is like water pressure in sea.  it is force witch dark mater pulls from outer space !!!


Offline broli

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Re: MT 10, 11 and 13 Combination
« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2008, 07:06:12 PM »
this system is closed loop ..  there no energy flow.

energy used to lift up weight in cycle start position is equal to falling weight energy .


gravity is like water pressure in sea.  it is force witch dark mater pulls from outer space !!!



I don't remember anyone asking your expertise sir. So please buzz off if you have nothing constructive to share.

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Re: MT 10, 11 and 13 Combination
« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2008, 07:06:12 PM »
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Offline martinzurix

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Re: MT 10, 11 and 13 Combination
« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2008, 07:25:47 PM »
this don` t work !!!  very constructive sentence.

this is public forum everyone has right to say opinion.

please don`t bee so angry :)


peace

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Re: MT 10, 11 and 13 Combination
« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2008, 09:51:34 PM »
Thanks genius.

Alexioco, could you explain/illustrate more what you mean by  "also if you reverse a few things in MT 13 then the weights can fall forward and lift the weights that way to..."

Well you see that in MT 13 the weights fall to the side when they acssend, well if you turn them upside down, when the inner weights fall the weights on the ascending side are lifted up and in instead of down and in...

Also if you look at MT 15 the levers are curved, why have the poles in MT 15 longer? so inner weights can be used for lifting the outer weights which lift the poles...

(I just realized that as I wrote it :P)

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Re: MT 10, 11 and 13 Combination
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Offline Alexioco

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Re: MT 10, 11 and 13 Combination
« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2008, 05:07:24 PM »
Does anyone think this is a good idea?

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Re: MT 10, 11 and 13 Combination
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2008, 06:01:22 AM »
Sorry Alex, I don't quite see what is happening to really help in that drawing.
You have had some very interesting idea's in the past, some of which hold alot of promise, however, I think your wheels are too complicated to be what besseler built.  Reason being; it is said that besseler wouldn't show inside his wheel before payment because, if anyone saw how simple and easy to build it was, he would be out of luck.  Now it has been a few years since I read some of the history, but isn't it said that the only person to look inside commented that a school boy could build it?
To me that means simple, not complicated.

You have made great progress in the search for besseler's secret,  but I personally think that the answer is a simpler design.

ciao,  Dirt

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Re: MT 10, 11 and 13 Combination
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2008, 06:01:22 AM »
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Offline DrWhat

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Re: MT 10, 11 and 13 Combination
« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2008, 01:40:28 PM »
A "carpenter's apprentice" with say one year's training. Still, we get Bessler's point.

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Re: MT 10, 11 and 13 Combination
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2008, 02:29:59 PM »
Yes Bessler did say simple, It must be totally different from what we are looking at...

Has anyone read his Apologia Poetica? haven't, would like to though...

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Re: MT 10, 11 and 13 Combination
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2008, 02:29:59 PM »
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Re: MT 10, 11 and 13 Combination
« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2008, 02:34:50 PM »
Greetings Alex

 On your combination. I see allot of counter leverage which will kill it and make it a non runner. Look at the outer arms and how close the inner weights are to try to move the outer. Then look at Newton leverage teachings and you will see. What you are trying to come up with is what you want as the finish effect but you need a better way to get there.

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Re: MT 10, 11 and 13 Combination
« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2008, 05:20:47 AM »
A "carpenter's apprentice" with say one year's training. Still, we get Bessler's point.

Yes, right.  Like I said, it's been a while since I read the info.
It is important to remember the fact that Besseler was so nervous with anyone seeing inside before payment, that he only let that 1 person look.  the statement that it was a simple mechanism, I believe means just that.  Besseler put his life on the line if his wheel was a hoax,  and looking at many of these complicated wheels, I don't think he would take the chance.  too many moving parts, too hard to prove what is happening.  He had to be sure, that if someone bought the wheel, a quick look inside would be proof enough to let him live.

just my opinion.

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Re: MT 10, 11 and 13 Combination
« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2008, 02:47:29 PM »
Yes, which if thats the case then what that tells me is that only little parts of certain MT wheels are needed, the only problem though is, MT 27 can do something so special (look at my MT 27 thread) so that must of been added some how...

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Re: MT 10, 11 and 13 Combination
« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2008, 02:54:23 PM »
Greetings Alex

 On your combination. I see allot of counter leverage which will kill it and make it a non runner. Look at the outer arms and how close the inner weights are to try to move the outer. Then look at Newton leverage teachings and you will see. What you are trying to come up with is what you want as the finish effect but you need a better way to get there.

AB I have got it, here is a better way to move them so that the weights that lift are lighter but further from the axle of the heavier weight causing lift, what if the inner weights are attached on the outside inner circle and move the outer weights that way...

here are two ways to do it;

1. (http://i26.tinypic.com/s3itfb.jpg)
2. (http://i28.tinypic.com/2hnx7oi.jpg)

an attachment would need to be devised some how for No.2
« Last Edit: June 21, 2008, 03:18:54 PM by Alexioco »

 

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