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Author Topic: Bedini motor, debunked by MythBusters.  (Read 89365 times)

Offline mscoffman

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Re: Bedini motor, debunked by MythBusters.
« Reply #45 on: August 10, 2008, 12:34:01 AM »

I saw this one on u-tube. They use these honking big relays for running starter motors on cars.
Do you know how much current just the coils on those relays draw? I thought it was funny
when the guy says; "Yeah, you know you can hear it slowing down". It would been neat
the guy would have added; "Well, this ones not working we better send it back to the art
department and have them do some more work on it"...Bad show Discovery and MIT.

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Re: Bedini motor, debunked by MythBusters.
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Offline marcusishere

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Re: Bedini motor, debunked by MythBusters.
« Reply #46 on: August 20, 2008, 03:47:20 PM »
These free energy technologies will be used eventually. The people that create the resistence shown in the fake program of mythbusters will lose in the end. They are just in the death-throws now, thrashing about while they slowly die. They need to learn to accept change. If we hadn't accepted it before, we'd be riding around in horse and buggies.

Message to anyone blindly supporting the mythbusters - Go to yahoo group Bedini_Monopole3 and build the machine yourself .You'll see it works. I did it.

Message to anyone from the Mythbusters. Kiss my ....

Offline utilitarian

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Re: Bedini motor, debunked by MythBusters.
« Reply #47 on: August 20, 2008, 06:48:18 PM »
Go to yahoo group Bedini_Monopole3 and build the machine yourself .You'll see it works. I did it.

It works?  Do you mean that you can get the wheel to spin for a while, until batteries are depleted, or do you mean it runs forever, producing excess energy from apparently nothing?  If you mean the latter, well, maybe you should share your laws-of-physics-shattering discovery with the rest of the world rather than keeping it for yourself, because I am sure all the poor people of the world could use free energy.  If you mean the former, well, then Mythbusters is not so wrong.

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Re: Bedini motor, debunked by MythBusters.
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Offline marcusishere

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Re: Bedini motor, debunked by MythBusters.
« Reply #48 on: August 20, 2008, 07:33:20 PM »
On the machine I built ( which is not intended to extract a lot of energy but is a learning tool for open-minded people to build as a first project ) I started with 8 magnets on the wheel which was a 24inch bike wheel. In the tests I ran I saw an equal amount of energy leave the primary battery as entered into the charging battery and during the charging time (12 hours) the wheel was spinning at 60 rpm. So I saw free mechanical energy.

Then I added 8 more magnets to the wheel and I removed the thick grease around the wheel bearing and spreayed in 3 in 1 oil instead ( to let the wheel be much more free-spinning ). In the next test I saw a little more energy in the charging battery than left the primary battery and the rpm was 110. The charging time was 8 hours. So I saw a small amount of free electricity and a lot of free mecanical. - Not bad for an extremely simple setup that's not designed to extract a lot of energy !

My next plans are to build a much more serious and powerful little bedini machine called a window motor. Aparently this little baby self charges its own battery and produces seriously high revs with torque so you can use the torque. I'm going to build a little generator, connect it to the rotor and then see if I can feed the output of the generator back into the input of the window motor. If it works I'll be able to whip out the primary battery and just leave it running.

One has to try these things in order to know the truth. That's my philosophy for everything.

Offline retrodynamic

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Re: Bedini motor, debunked by MythBusters.
« Reply #49 on: August 22, 2008, 06:26:36 PM »
Its some way to present a project or idea, to the Mythbusters?  For sure is one, but where? who? when?
Well the only thing I can do is to present here my stuff, and say pass the voice please.

www.geocities.com/gearturbine 

Thanks. :)

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Re: Bedini motor, debunked by MythBusters.
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Offline marcusishere

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Re: Bedini motor, debunked by MythBusters.
« Reply #50 on: August 22, 2008, 06:49:04 PM »
I think it's better to stay away from the Myth Busters. I think they're a bunch of charlatans.

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Re: Bedini motor, debunked by MythBusters.
« Reply #51 on: August 24, 2008, 11:09:55 PM »
Its a shame for the mythbusters that a school girl can replicate and prove it to the world but they (mythbusters) can't. 

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Offline jamesneal6927

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Re: Bedini motor, debunked by MythBusters.
« Reply #52 on: August 26, 2008, 05:52:29 AM »
Sorry to interrupt in here but I need some help!

Please take a look at these pictures and tell me what they mean.

This is my Bedini motor running on a 12 volt battery tested at 11.25 volts.

It has an attached box that contains a generator at the other ent that produces 2.5 volts.

I get these readings when it is running at it's peak.  It appears to be getting three spikes of energy on 1 end and 5 on the other end.

My questions are:

  1) Do these spikes net out to only two spikes?
  2) Is it proper to put the oscilliscope probe on the emitter and the ground on the collector?
  3) How can I tell the total increase in energy by this osc. reading?

Any assistance is greatly appreciated.

JHN

Offline shane0858

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Re: Bedini motor, debunked by MythBusters.
« Reply #53 on: August 27, 2008, 01:33:23 AM »
I have the bedini ssg running in my garage. it is very simple to build. I have had more success with OU using my bedini set-up than with any of my hydro projects. I guess ignorance to how the motor works keeps people from actually making a successful motor. If bedini was a fake, he would be charging money for his experiments, but he doesnt, that should tell you something. I watched the episode where they tested the bedini. First off, where the fuck are the magnets, and second, why the fuck are they using an electric motor for their first build?? It is obvious they are morons, with little understanding of electricity other than where the power button is on their computers, or the battery compartment on their ipods. They were clearly dismissing something they are too ignorant to understand. If they knew anything about anything other than blowing shit up, I would take their opinion into consideration. However, I have a bedini motor running in my garage as I type this, and it is working great, and I am achieving OU with it. Hmm. How much more simple can the Bedini SSG be?
I mean come on, it is called the Simplified School Girl motor for a reason, it IS SIMPLE!!!!!!!

 ;D

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Re: Bedini motor, debunked by MythBusters.
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Offline jamesneal6927

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Re: Bedini motor, debunked by MythBusters.
« Reply #54 on: August 27, 2008, 06:03:54 AM »
I just found out tonight that if you take your charge battery off and run the + through a 250V cap. and then take a reading with your volt meter on the + side of the cap and the - on the left side (where you attached the - from the charge battery connection), you get upwards of 75 - 125 volts DC current with about .5 to 1 amp of power.

Now, comes the task of cycling that charge back into the circuit and letting the motor feed itself. 

Those spikes you see in the pictures I posted earlier are about 25 volts of electrical current each.  By piping the power from the collector into a capacitor instead of a battery you get an immediate charge; due, I guess, to the fast switching that is going on.

Also, DON'T TRY TO CHARGE NON-RECHARGEABLE BATTERIES with this process.  They will explode!!!!!!!  Happened to me with my son standing right next to me.  We're lucky that we didn't get acid in our eyes.  Someone mentioned on another forum that you could re-charge them and that's bull-shit.  You can recharge them but the 9 Volts expand and the AAA's and AA's will explode.  I'm assuming it's because of the mass amounts of volts that are being pushed into the battery along with the fact that they are not designed to be re-charged anyway.  The charge doesn't last too long and they will not charge back up to their full amount.

Does anyone have any ideas how to take this excess voltage and convert it back to usable 12 volts?  If so, I am all ears.  I still need to purchase another lead-acid battery and I would be OU.  I still need to design the battery switching so that the batteries continually switch charging.  That way they both stay charged instead of just the charging one.

I have a pretty good setup based on some other forum.  You just take a large PC fan motor, convert the coils to the standard +-+- configuration and use 1 as the trigger and the other as the load.  Vuala you have a Bedini motor.

I added a phone jack to the fan side, a phone cord to connect to my box and a Radio-Shack project box with board.  Now, I just unplug the fan and exchange for another project that I want to use the circuit board for.  Or, test re-wiring, etc.

I've also added another fan about 6 inches behind the fan and enclosed it.  This allows me to generate about 2.5 extra volts of electricity from the what would be wasted air being blown.  Now, I want to send that back into the battery as well to increase the OU that I'm pretty sure I already have.

Now, if you've been keeping up on the Steven Meyers HHO cell, you will remember he pushed high voltage to the cell to cause mass HHO output.  I'm thinking he might have taken the alternator and made a similar process as the Bedini motor.  Since all that excess voltage is just voltage with very little amps.  The alternator is already AC and then it is converted to DC at the back of the housing right before it enters the car's circuitry.  If you take and switch that load you can generate tons of voltage that you could then pass into the cell and treat it just as I have done with the capacitor.

Since the Cell can be treated as a capacitor you can send in a current via PWM (Pulse Width Modulation) and steadily increase the power (nano-seconds) until it explodes; not litterally.  This will for the water molecules to fragment and the Oxygen and Hydrogen would be sluffed off quite rapidly.  I wouldn't even think the chokes on the + and - lines would be necessary since there isn't much, if any, amps flowing through the lines.

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Re: Bedini motor, debunked by MythBusters.
« Reply #55 on: September 25, 2008, 12:01:37 AM »
Because most of you armchair scientists want something out of nothing and there's no such thing. Bedini's systems work because the energy is extracted and then converted/stored. As the saying goes you have to invest some money to get money back and so is the case with the energy.

But even then you can invest the profits back in to grow the business and make more money.

So the Bedini motor, if it is "overunity", or extracts more energy than is put in, you should be able to give it an initial push and then you should be able to hook the out to the in and it should keep spinning up. If it is "under-unity" then it is worth no more than an ordinary electrical motor.

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Offline mike3

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Re: Bedini motor, debunked by MythBusters.
« Reply #56 on: September 25, 2008, 12:05:25 AM »
utilitarian,

If you wish to use my words, please use them in context and exactly quoted, otherwise this discussion is over.

I said "lackeys of the corporate fascists"...

The guys might be good natured (although I take that with a grain of salt) but they are far from competent or unbiased which is evident from the Bedini fiasco. They have obviously approached the issue with already determined outcome which is clear from the intro to the segment where one of them (is it Adam?) is talking about the "Holy Grail of free energy" while other (Jaime?) remains the adamant skeptic.

It is just sad how scripted the whole thing was and bluntly obvious that the experiment would fail because they did not replicate it to the letter, missing to include certain parts/components, etc. That is NOT scientific and claiming that they are is hypocrisy, whether you like it not. Mythbusters might have (or not) "busted" other things successfully, but having failed to be truly scientific with Bedini one indicates to me that all the other claims they have "busted" should be re-examined as well.

In any case, what I'm talking about are facts, and it is all there recorded for posterity and now available on YouTube to be examined. Perhaps some day we'll see a rebuttal although I am not holding my breath...

I do agree with you that the M/Bers test is not scientific and not honest. That thing they built looks nothing like a "Bedini motor" at all. Makes me want to build the motor just to test it right (build it right to the point where other people would say it is achieving "over unity" and then hook the out to the in and see what happens.). Even though I don't believe it's actually going to give any sort of "free" energy.

Offline mike3

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Re: Bedini motor, debunked by MythBusters.
« Reply #57 on: September 25, 2008, 12:10:39 AM »
It works?  Do you mean that you can get the wheel to spin for a while, until batteries are depleted, or do you mean it runs forever, producing excess energy from apparently nothing?  If you mean the latter, well, maybe you should share your laws-of-physics-shattering discovery with the rest of the world rather than keeping it for yourself, because I am sure all the poor people of the world could use free energy.  If you mean the former, well, then Mythbusters is not so wrong.

Two things:

1. Mythbusters may have gotten the right conclusion (the motor does not work), but they reached it through the wrong method. They did not build the motor right. In fact what they built doesn't look ANYTHING like what I've seen for how a "Bedini motor" should look. So for the sake of scientific honesty and nothing more they should revisit this one and build it right. Otherwise they look like a joker too.

2. How can you "share it with the world" when anything can be faked? There would be too much suspicion even if you did have a working device. Nobody would attend the demos. People who have made real revolutionary discoveries often have had them swept under the rug for a long time. Not saying the BM is a revolutionary discovery, just talking about what happens.

Offline Michelinho

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Re: Bedini motor, debunked by MythBusters.
« Reply #58 on: September 25, 2008, 10:10:17 AM »

@ mike3,

I would suggest a long visit on Jean Louis Naudin's site for proof of overunity on the Newman Motor and on many other designs.

http://jnaudin.free.fr/index.htm

Take care,

Michel

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Re: Bedini motor, debunked by MythBusters.
« Reply #59 on: October 15, 2008, 05:08:41 PM »
You should download EFTV part 6 from the ed2k network (use emule):
Energy_From_The_Vacuum_Part_6_Inside_Radiant_Energy.mp4

Maybe it makes sense to you all, but not to me.

 

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