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Title: New ANTI-Newton 3rd law Tommorow?s motor
Post by: hartiberlin on May 25, 2008, 11:51:31 PM
Hi All,
have a look at these videos.

http://www.youtube.com/user/Motion4all

They show pretty clearly, that
actio= reactio
seem not apply over there !

With this some kind of a new UFO propulsion could be built.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: New ANTI-Newton 3rd law Tommorow?s motor
Post by: TheOne on May 26, 2008, 12:04:42 AM
Its not really an efficient way to move an UFO in my opinion if its a mecanical movement, unless its pure coil stuffs!

I remember a similar invention that an old man was using to move a boat and I never heard about it since I see his video.
Title: Re: New ANTI-Newton 3rd law Tommorow?s motor
Post by: LarryC on May 26, 2008, 01:07:22 AM
Well, not ready to lift a UFO from earth into space, but wouldn't the device be much better than using chemical jets to maneuver space vehicles? Safe, reliable and just a little bit of Sun to power the device.

Regards, Larry

Title: Re: New ANTI-Newton 3rd law Tommorow?s motor
Post by: rogueleadr on May 26, 2008, 01:19:21 AM
Im thinking this baby has some potential, but could use more research to explain how it works and such. Also, to make it move faster. But other than that good job man :D
Title: Re: New ANTI-Newton 3rd law Tommorow?s motor
Post by: infringer on May 26, 2008, 01:23:11 AM
Indeed I seen the same video the boat moving on the olympic pool without motion other then a slight vibration jep...

Far from flying yet interesting...

Ionic movement seems fairly promising for our older tech...

But we cannot turn down the lifter experimentations espicially with the crazy insulation we have now adays if fusion was able to be made easy and stable viola lifter tech take over...

I'm curious what ever did happen to Tim Ventura seems he has been rather dead or at least his website has...

I loved when Tim was outgoing and made tons of videos and did expirements for American Antigravity but now news is rarely posted its almost as if he has lost his drive or has given up simply because STAIF is no more from what I hear...

Lame reason to abandon a good website imho....

Thanks for the interesting video can't tell if there was sarcasam intended or not but anyways have a good one heartie!

-infringer-
Title: Re: New ANTI-Newton 3rd law Tommorow?s motor
Post by: LarryC on May 26, 2008, 11:07:37 PM
This video shows the design of the motor before it was encased. It seems to be a vector transfer with a lot of possibility.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XqFUx-0_lg

Regards, Larry

Title: Re: New ANTI-Newton 3rd law Tommorow?s motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 28, 2008, 07:57:16 PM
@ Stefan:

One thing that stands out to me in the video is the direction of travel is always from screen right to screen left.  Every time.  I could accomplish the same thing by placing any vibrating object on a plane that is angled downwards.  If the desk had even a slight elevation on the screen right side, this unit would travel to the left due to gravity most of all.

Having said that, did you ever play with the electric football (American football) game as a kid in Germany?  (I don't know if they had them over there or not)  This was a vibrating table marked like a football field and the little men (players) were plastic figures with 2 thin plastic strips on the bottom of them.  The strips were angled back from top to bottom and when the table was turned on, the players would move forward...well...mostly.  Sometimes they would just spin in place or even move backwards but, I think the principle is the same maybe.  More of them would actually travel forward and break through the opposing team's line.  So, maybe there is something to this? 

I just had some doubts because he could have easily showed the device moving the other way at least once.  It almost reminded me of that wooden toy "overunity" video where the guy also ran it in one direction only and it turned out it was running downhill.

Thanks for brining this video to our attention.

Bill
Title: Re: New ANTI-Newton 3rd law Tommorow?s motor
Post by: dorro1971 on May 28, 2008, 08:26:52 PM
i think the device in the boat was called the "inertia motor"

trouble is i have forgotten who the inventor is.......

it may be on the video "the race to zero point"

regards

dorro
Title: Re: New ANTI-Newton 3rd law Tommorow?s motor
Post by: sveinr on May 28, 2008, 08:44:13 PM
Hi all

I'm pretty sure this is a electric version of the  Henry Bull's Impulse engine demontrated in 1935.
Imagine the spring replaced by a magnet driven from the mains at 50Hz.
This would produce exactly the same effect.

JLN tested Bill's idea, have a look here http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/impdexp.htm (http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/impdexp.htm).
In JLN's test, he produce a movement of 6mm with one shot from the spring, imagine this 50 times a second.

Sveinr
Title: Re: New ANTI-Newton 3rd law Tommorow?s motor
Post by: LarryC on May 28, 2008, 10:46:59 PM
@Bill,

Check out this one on a rail: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QAe5eB6_OU . Lowest point in the center and he runs it the other way at the end.

Regards, Larry
Title: Re: New ANTI-Newton 3rd law Tommorow?s motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 28, 2008, 11:05:40 PM
@ sveinr and Larry:

Thanks for the links.

I see the guy in this video also only runs it one way but, the way he has it constructed with the hanging loops, it would be a pain to reverse it I think.  And yes, I can see the wire bow in the middle making that the lowest point, yet, it continues on. This is interesting.  Thanks again.

Bill
Title: Re: New ANTI-Newton 3rd law Tommorow?s motor
Post by: LarryC on May 28, 2008, 11:21:01 PM
@Bill,

Right at the very end, he turns it around and runs it the other way, then it cuts after around the middle.

Regards, Larry

Title: Re: New ANTI-Newton 3rd law Tommorow?s motor
Post by: loop888 on May 29, 2008, 03:21:25 AM
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/impdexp.htm

what i'd like to know is: how much power apply the spring?

we know the components and model weight, and the distance things travel, but!
how much power you need to invest?

looks great for space, but's really "tomorrow's" propulsion? i mean, here at earth!

just wondering how effective this is.

saludos! :)
Title: Re: New ANTI-Newton 3rd law Tommorow?s motor
Post by: zerotensor on May 29, 2008, 06:53:16 AM
In all the demos, there is friction between the craft and its means of support.  The magnitude of the friction force is proportional to the pressure exerted by the craft on the supporting medium.  If there are no moving parts, and the craft is in a uniform gravitational field, the pressure will remain constant.

Now suppose we place a vibrating mass inside which causes the craft to move up and down.  If we now measure the amount of force between the craft and its medium, it will be seen to oscillate at some frequency.  If a second mass is set to vibrate the craft back and forth, and it is timed so that the craft experiences a "forward" motion at the same time as the friction is lowest, the "forward" direction will be favored.

Just after the craft "jumps", a weight is fired backwards, and the craft lurches forwards.  The weight later returns to its forward position at the moment when the craft is pushing hardest on the table, and so slides little if at all in the reverse direction due to the increased friction at that moment.  The cycle repeats, and a net forward thrust is achieved. 
By varying the relative frequencies and phase relationship of the two vibrators, one can fine-tune the behavior of the craft.

If the thing really produces a unidirectional force internally, then it should be possible to lower its weight or make it float, simply by pointing it "up".  I somehow doubt that's what we have here.

A heavy, rigid pendulum mount with good tight bearings would be a more convincing test-rig for the "tomorrow motor" than what is shown in the videos.  If it can deflect itself up, and just hang there -- ... now, that would be something.
Title: Re: New ANTI-Newton 3rd law Tommorow?s motor
Post by: LarryC on May 29, 2008, 06:10:51 PM
@All,

I  threw together this replication based on the toy truck motor, to get a better sense of the physical forces involved. The rubber bands are at a strong tensional position before the hammer is cocked.

The force to co#k the hammer and the force of the rubber bands to slams the triangle forward all seem to be self-contained within the unit.

It is release by burning the line. The short forward motion of the lightweight triangle before hitting the strike plate would have little backwards effect, since the majority of the impact energy is coming from the rubber bands.

The actual striking of the plate has a huge external effect.

It also seems that this device would not require any frictional back resistance to work.

Please let me know if you notice any difference in this device design and the original. It was a little hard to figure it out from the vid.

There seems to be much room for improvement, while retaining the same basic concept. The new smaller unit in the cup appears improved, but no way to see the design. Any ideas?

Regards, Larry
 
Title: Re: New ANTI-Newton 3rd law Tommorow?s motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 29, 2008, 06:20:51 PM
@ Larry:

Nice job! 

Bill
Title: Re: New ANTI-Newton 3rd law Tommorow?s motor
Post by: Bulbz on May 29, 2008, 06:34:15 PM
Hi All,
have a look at these videos.

http://www.youtube.com/user/Motion4all

They show pretty clearly, that
actio= reactio
seem not apply over there !

With this some kind of a new UFO propulsion could be built.

Regards, Stefan.


That's pretty cool  ;D.
Title: Re: New ANTI-Newton 3rd law Tommorow?s motor
Post by: retroworm on May 30, 2008, 11:29:36 PM
LarryC's replica at least looks about the same as the one in the vid.
As mentioned above, the design looks very much like Henry Bull’s Impulse Engine (http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/hbimp35.htm),  only much more copact and easily cycled.

If I have understood anything correctly (this is all just assumptions, haven't tried anything in practice), it's actually the retraction of the hammer that produces the forward impulse. Hammer hitting on the plate is the inefficient impact that loses some of the kinetic energy into sound, heat and deformation. So the more inefficiency you can produce on impact, the more net forward motion you'll get per cycle.
Title: Re: New ANTI-Newton 3rd law Tommorow?s motor
Post by: NerzhDishual on May 31, 2008, 02:11:34 AM
it may be on the video "the race to zero point"

It is!

Best
Title: Re: New ANTI-Newton 3rd law Tommorow?s motor
Post by: hartiberlin on June 01, 2008, 06:24:54 PM
Here is a simular device that looks great:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anYxNitcrm0

He also has more videos of this device...

Have a look.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: New ANTI-Newton 3rd law Tommorow?s motor
Post by: ltseung888 on November 17, 2008, 03:25:04 AM
Here is a simular device that looks great:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anYxNitcrm0

He also has more videos of this device...

Have a look.

Regards, Stefan.

Can you get the inventor to join this thread?

The device looks simple enough to replicate.  It is a matter of improving and scaling up so that a practical device can be built.