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Offline Alexioco

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MT 27
« on: May 23, 2008, 12:28:22 PM »
What do you think would happen if MT 27 was spun? What effect would CF have on it? Would those weights rise up through CF? I think this is a very important wheel, I have said this since the start, something about it facinates me, I have posted before something about it that no one seems to have took interest to.

? Bessler wrote:
This is the previous model slightly larger and altered: A are the levers interrupted at B and having a heart-weight at C, and D are the straps, or cords, and chains. It needs no further, lengthier explanation. This view shows what the thing might do if several things of this sort were placed next to one another along an axle-shaft.[/u]

Well I tried placing them around an axle/shaft and as I did i started to notice that a pattern started to emerge, I carried on placing it around and look what came out.

(http://i28.tinypic.com/2uf6e12.jpg)

Now surly that should bring some interest to you...

but still taking in what I said, what would the thing do through CF?


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MT 27
« on: May 23, 2008, 12:28:22 PM »

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Re: MT 27
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2008, 02:42:24 PM »
@alexioco

IMO Besslers (wheel) drawings are absolute and complete rubbish! scraps for the pigs (zero nutitional value)

I've always studied what he wrote and not what he drew.....LILI  :o

I wish you good luck in your search.

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Re: MT 27
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2008, 03:09:13 PM »
@sevich;

It's called mind food you genius. Wether a wheel works or not you learn from it and use your own creativity to modify it. Reading alone isn't going to build you a working wheel.

@alexioco;

I also think this wheel is important or else MT 137 would be kind of a random drawing to make without any explanation or logical parts.

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Re: MT 27
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2008, 03:09:13 PM »
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Offline Alexioco

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Re: MT 27
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2008, 04:49:13 PM »
@sevich;

It's called mind food you genius. Wether a wheel works or not you learn from it and use your own creativity to modify it. Reading alone isn't going to build you a working wheel.

@alexioco;

I also think this wheel is important or else MT 137 would be kind of a random drawing to make without any explanation or logical parts.

Yeah and also there is something eles which I think is special about this wheel, and that is that the weights move right up to the axle and to the very edge, the other lever weights don't have that much movement, my cirrent wheel only has half of that movement, imagine if it had all of that movement...

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Re: MT 27
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2008, 06:20:06 PM »
Here's a sim to help with the visualization of the dynamics of this MT.

http://broli.dommel.be/MT27.avi
http://broli.dommel.be/MT27.wm2d

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Offline Alexioco

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Re: MT 27
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2008, 06:22:05 PM »
Here's a sim to help with the visualization of the dynamics of this MT.

http://broli.dommel.be/MT27.avi
http://broli.dommel.be/MT27.wm2d

hmm strange, It wont play on my comp, says it wont support the file  ???

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Re: MT 27
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2008, 06:23:15 PM »
It was still uploading you road runner  :D. Try it now.

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Offline Alexioco

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Re: MT 27
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2008, 06:26:40 PM »
lol I just can't wait can I  ::)

Edit: Ok I saw it, looks good, helps like you said with understanding the wheel.

Now, the orange weight makes it to the bottom, we now need the blue weight to go up and the orange weight to go to the axel this is where I believe parts of my wheel (ie MT 14, 15 and 25) come in and also MT 19 and 20.

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Re: MT 27
« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2008, 06:39:16 PM »
Music to Christmas tree.

Oh balanced wheel, Oh balanced wheel, why you sit there rocking
Oh balanced wheel, Oh balanced wheel, why you sit there rocking
What will it take, to make you run.
Or this is all, I get for fun.
Oh balanced wheel, Oh balanced wheel, why you sit there rocking

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Re: MT 27
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Re: MT 27
« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2008, 06:41:03 PM »
I managed to make it turn 1.4x. Replaced some rods with ropes and a hack that's only good for one turn  ;D. Oh yeah slow wind friction is also turned on.

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Re: MT 27
« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2008, 06:41:29 PM »
I did a version of MT27 on paper with a few improvements but never felt the need to build it.

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Re: MT 27
« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2008, 07:04:39 PM »
Oke here's a video where it turns even more, about 2.5x. Now I know how it feels to be excited about a wheel alexioco  ;D. Anyways there's room for lots of tinkering, currently it seems to spin this much only if the wheel is much heavier than the weights, maybe acting as some sort of flywheel to keep the motion going?

http://broli.dommel.be/MT27V2.avi
http://broli.dommel.be/MT27V2.wm2d

(give 5 minutes after this post to upload)

Edit:Somehow the sim in the file got destroyed. I made destructuve changes but I didn't even save yet it somehow saved it for me and the wheel doesn't spin anymore. I will make a more accurate model now though.


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Re: MT 27
« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2008, 07:11:54 PM »
Interesting, I knew this wheel has some good qualities...

Well how about we look at it like this.

MT 27 Movement
MT 25 Movement

Now from this alone, what can we get out of it by combinding the two movements, lets all have a go then post your ideas...

(http://i28.tinypic.com/fvlo9i.jpg)
(http://i32.tinypic.com/sf9o9e.jpg)

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Re: MT 27
« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2008, 11:14:00 PM »
Oke here's a video where it turns even more, about 2.5x. Now I know how it feels to be excited about a wheel alexioco  ;D. Anyways there's room for lots of tinkering, currently it seems to spin this much only if the wheel is much heavier than the weights, maybe acting as some sort of flywheel to keep the motion going?

http://broli.dommel.be/MT27V2.avi
http://broli.dommel.be/MT27V2.wm2d

(give 5 minutes after this post to upload)

Edit:Somehow the sim in the file got destroyed. I made destructuve changes but I didn't even save yet it somehow saved it for me and the wheel doesn't spin anymore. I will make a more accurate model now though.




Hi Broli,
this wheel is also slowing down as you can see on the rotation speed
at the beginning of the movie and at the end of the movie.
Better use simular weights for the hanging weights like the disk.
Or make the disk only 2 to 5 times
more heavy as the weights, otherwise you too much flyhwheel effect.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: MT 27
« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2008, 11:16:09 PM »
Interesting, I knew this wheel has some good qualities...

Well how about we look at it like this.

MT 27 Movement
MT 25 Movement

Now from this alone, what can we get out of it by combinding the two movements, lets all have a go then post your ideas...

(http://i28.tinypic.com/fvlo9i.jpg)
(http://i32.tinypic.com/sf9o9e.jpg)

Hi Alex,
what is the heart shaped object ?
How does it move ?
Does it slide on a rod ?
What are ropes and what are rods ?

 

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