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Johann Bessler information
« on: May 23, 2008, 08:43:26 AM »
I have a feeling that little is known here about Johann Bessler, also known as Orffyreus, so I will just say that further information is available from www.free-energy.co.uk.  This web site which has been on-line since 1997 is the result of a lifetime of research into the life of the inventor.  I have tried to spread information about him but it is a slow process and time is short with the incredible rising oil prices.

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Re: Johann Bessler information
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2008, 10:31:00 AM »
I just wondered why so often people are referring to MT - drawings.
I finally found them all listed here:

http://www.orffyre.com/mt.html

For those like me that just started to become interested in gravity wheels an Bessler.

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Re: Johann Bessler information
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2008, 10:32:21 AM »
Most appreciated my friend, I think I shall look in to that straight away, strange because I was looking around for more information on him, thanks

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Re: Johann Bessler information
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2008, 11:58:32 AM »
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I just wondered why so often people are referring to MT - drawings.
I finally found them all listed here:

http://www.orffyre.com/mt.html

Sorry about that, I called the drawings MT, short for Maschinen Tractate, which I took from Bessler's own writings. For convenience I have a habit of shortening all of his book titles.  So Das Triumphans... becomes DT.  Grundlicher Bericht becomes GB and Apologia Poetica becomes AP!

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Re: Johann Bessler information
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2008, 12:13:29 PM »
Sorry about that, I called the drawings MT, short for Maschinen Tractate, which I took from Bessler's own writings. For convenience I have a habit of shortening all of his book titles.  So Das Triumphans... becomes DT.  Grundlicher Bericht becomes GB and Apologia Poetica becomes AP!

John

May I ask, is there any other interesting things that Bessler has said that cannot be found on the internet? Anything that might lead to a new discovery? You see I'm currently working on his wheels and have already combined some of them, I was just wandering if I could get any more help...

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Re: Johann Bessler information
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2008, 12:55:38 PM »
That's a difficult question.  The information in my own book, "Perpetual Motion; An Ancient Mystery Solved?" and the four Bessler books has been discussed widely on various forums and is probably largely on many websites, and most fully at www.besslerwheel.com but there are many letters and certificates which I reproduced in my book which although discussed piecemeal here and there are not as far as I'm aware actually reproduced anywhere.

There are many lists of 'clues' taken from my book as well a Bessler's, which are designed to itemise the most useful bits of information making it easier to compress the clues into an easily referenced list, but there are still large pieces of information which it is better, in my opinion, to read in context.

I have reproduced all of Bessler's books and included English translations with each and you can get them from my web site at www.free-energy.co.uk if you wish to get all the facts, but you may be content with discussing it here or elsewhere.

John

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Re: Johann Bessler information
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2008, 01:23:26 PM »
That's a difficult question.  The information in my own book, "Perpetual Motion; An Ancient Mystery Solved?" and the four Bessler books has been discussed widely on various forums and is probably largely on many websites, and most fully at www.besslerwheel.com but there are many letters and certificates which I reproduced in my book which although discussed piecemeal here and there are not as far as I'm aware actually reproduced anywhere.

There are many lists of 'clues' taken from my book as well a Bessler's, which are designed to itemise the most useful bits of information making it easier to compress the clues into an easily referenced list, but there are still large pieces of information which it is better, in my opinion, to read in context.

I have reproduced all of Bessler's books and included English translations with each and you can get them from my web site at www.free-energy.co.uk if you wish to get all the facts, but you may be content with discussing it here or elsewhere.

John

Ah ok thank you, and which book is the best one for Besslers clues about his wheel?

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Re: Johann Bessler information
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2008, 06:34:06 PM »
Another difficult one to answer!  The truthis that each book has a number of clues in it.  I discuss some of themin my book, but there are four drawings in DT, 141 drawings with English translation of the notes in MT.  One drawing in GB and one in AP.  There are numerous clues in the textof AP and probably that is the best one to start with as Bessler discusses things a lot more in that book.

Kind regards and good luck,

John

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Re: Johann Bessler information
« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2008, 06:45:43 PM »
 John Collins

Thanks for posting. Your books are valuable for our search.

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Re: Johann Bessler information
« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2008, 10:14:28 PM »
AB When are you helping me with the analysis?

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Re: Johann Bessler information
« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2008, 12:11:24 AM »
@ Alex

 I am working on a copy paste set up through my web sight, for that seems to be the only way to post pictures. There are 143 of them so it may take a little while. At this time I am at home running a fever and I fill like $#!+. But is think I can keep setting up the pages, as long as I don't wright much.

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Re: Johann Bessler information
« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2008, 07:53:14 AM »
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Just curious, do you offer the 4 books as a set ? Could be interesting to read someone's insights into Bessler who has researched him.

Yes anything is possible.  Just email me with any proposal to get them.  My main aim is to get as many copies of the books out there so that as many people as possible are working towards a successful reconstruction of Bessler's wheel.

I have stated that I'm certain that it will be reconstructed and verified before the end of this year.  I am utterly conviced of this.

John

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Re: Johann Bessler information
« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2008, 08:06:42 AM »
I just wondered why so often people are referring to MT - drawings.
I finally found them all listed here:

http://www.orffyre.com/mt.html

For those like me that just started to become interested in gravity wheels an Bessler.

/Eric

Hello Eric,

You may have just started to become interested but you have been around a while,  you joined Besslerwheel.com in March 12, 2004 as "eavogels  and in four years 2 months you made two posts:

Hi.
Thanks. It seems that Minato mde a break through: http://japan.com/technology/index.php
Eric.

Hi all.
I'm a new member to this group and I find the BesslerWheel a very interesting device. I'll read all earlier messages to catch up.
I do research with FE as well and right now the Bowman Perma ...

You see, I keep track of those that I respect and acknowledge as having some smarts and mean business in the quest for O-U!  ::)

Regards from one of your charter members,

Ralph Lortie

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Re: Johann Bessler information
« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2008, 04:07:27 PM »
Yes anything is possible.  Just email me with any proposal to get them.  My main aim is to get as many copies of the books out there so that as many people as possible are working towards a successful reconstruction of Bessler's wheel.

I have stated that I'm certain that it will be reconstructed and verified before the end of this year.  I am utterly conviced of this.

John

Well I badly want to get this wheel, I know that if you combined those certain wheels, soon its got to come to you, plus reading what he says about each wheel and his clues, it can't be far off...

Also, for those who laugh at using cardboard, I think its easier than wood, and if I get this wheel, my first working wheel will be cardboard...

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Re: Johann Bessler information
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2008, 11:30:00 AM »
Hello Eric,...........Regards from one of your charter members, ..........Ralph Lortie
Hi Ralph.
Good to meet you here. I will learn about the Bessler Wheel because I want to combine these technique with permanent magnets.

So to be sure I get as much as possible available info on Bessler I just bought all 5 books from John. Getting 5 books for the price of 4.

Regards,
Eric.