Footnote to the above:

Modern words where the word "Spiel" still applies in its old meaning : Spielkarten (deck of cards), Glockenspiel (a musical instrument) Schachspiel (chessboard plus figures). In each of these terms the word Spiel applies to an OBJECT, not to what is being played with it.

Hans

G'day John,

Certainly you may quote me. After all I've put it out there haven't I? 

Hans

Eric, the translations are good.  The text in the toys page is handwritten and difficult to read. The original translation done by Mike Senior, resident in the UK, who has a degree in 18th century German literature, was almost identical to Hans' version.  I was posting my own efforts at reading the text because I thought that some words might have been incorrectly read, not incorrectly translated.

The text in Maschinen Tractate was also handwritten and open to interpretation but you will find very little difference between the MT English text in my book and that available at www.orffyre.com, as both were done by another translator in the USA, but with the most minor 'corrections' by me.

The other books Grundlicher Bericht, Das Tri and Apologia Poetica are printed text and although Apologia Poetica has suffered from ink migration over the centuries since it was published, it is a possible to read 99.9% correctly and intuitively work out the remainder correctly.

Translations used in my book," Perpetual Motion;An Ancient Mystery Solved?" were taken from professional translations published some time ago but regarded as accurate.

Hope this helps.

John

I purchased Johns Book PM AAMS and was very disappointed when i read the whole thing and the plan for the wheel was not in their anywhere. 

But seriously, I hope everyone understands that the groundwork that has been layed and the incredible amount of research that has been done by John and others like Bill, is priceless and brings anyone up to speed much much faster. John is being very much open minded to his credit. We are talking about 300 year old texts in a language that noone has used exclusively for 60 plus years. Johns books are a very valuable part of this search and an excellant source of information.

The fact that he is also being open minded about alternative ideas is really exceptional. I think that Hans and Stefan(he said he studied Suterlin ?) would be a very nice addition to helping look at these MT's translations. I know that both Hans and Stefan are also very busy with many other things so i make no assumtions as to whether they would have time.

I don't think its going to be spelled out in the MT's but whether he did all or some i am very interested in any slight variations or sutle nuances in writing style that may suggest something other that what we have now. Whether the translations are the same or slightly different i think it would also reinvigorate discussion about the MT's. Some feel the Mt's should just be disregarded as failed attempts but IMHO he is trying to hint at something. Look here, or there.


Anyway, John, keep up the great work. (if hans will looK at the early 1-25 Mt's translations i would be more than happy to pay the PDF file fee to have it sent to him.)  US$ boo hoo

@all who don't own johns books, Buy them they are priceless.

@Hans and Stefan.  I'm sure i speak for some when i say that any help, at your leisure. Would be Greatly appreciated. Even if its only some small slight variation in one of the MT's translations. We seekers are always hungry for any new information or path of thought.


Thank you,


PS john, can you put the plans in the new book

Someone linked a website about Bessler and I read a little bit about him.  I had never heard of him until now.  It said that his wheels were hollow and that there was something on the inside that unbalanced them.  It also said that it was the inside of the wheel that held the secret, not the outside.

Some guy supported him, letting him live in a castle, but the guy wanted Bessler to show him what was inside the wheel first.  That guy said it was so simple he was surprised no one had ever thought of it.  Now the website gave an animation of what people speculate was on the inside, I'm pretty sure the animation is not correct.  If it was, someone would have a working Bessler wheel by now. 

So, did Bessler leave ANY clues as to what was on the inside?  It seems to me that this secret died with him - after all, it was the inside of the wheel that was for sale.  The website said that in all accounts the machine was very noisy.

Any thoughts as to what was on the inside, did he leave any clues?

Thanks,
Charlie

Dgraphic, everything I know will be in the new book.  More than half of it is taken up with an explanation of the coded clues, and there are literally dozens and dozens of them.  There will be plans, but I don't know if I have enough to build the replica of Bessler's whel, but I think so.  Any way everytthing will be included.  Thanks for your encouragement guys.

CharlieV, I think you can see that there are a lot of clues about how the wheel worked and I am confident that someone will do it this year and what better time than now?

John

any idea of a date of publication (paper or online?).

I can only say I hope it will be soon and probably August/September this year.

John

G'day all,

On further examination of MT 138 (see post 29 this thread) I think I know now what figures A and B represent. I believe this to be the front and side view of the same device, a Jacob's ladder. It is an ancient toy, an example of which was found in King Tut's tomb. Bessler mentions the Jacob's ladder in his writings.

This is how it works:
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/764310/jacobs_ladder_optical_illusion_toy/

Any comments?

Hans von Lieven