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Author Topic: Repelling "Fan" theory for a magnet motor  (Read 19504 times)

Dact

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Repelling "Fan" theory for a magnet motor
« on: May 16, 2008, 04:48:09 AM »
I originally posted the following as a reply to member Nightlife in his thread under "News"

Quote from Nightlife: "I shouldn't post this but what the heck."

My sentiments exactly, at this point. I believe too many people have been concentrating too much on designing a CAPTURE device for the forces of magnetism, instead of concentrating on the forces themselves. In almost every case, the opposite polarity somehow cancels out the force of the other. Also, in almost every case, a rotor and stationary stators are used. Why?

In the case of other "forces" we have successfully captured, i.e., water power, wind power, and steam power, we have utilized a blade, or turbine system, to capture the energy. Why not magnetism? Since joining this forum a year ago, I have recalled a demonstration that my seventh grade science teacher showed us. She had constructed a pinwheel shaped "fan" of flat magnets, and introduced a fairly large rod magnet in front of the pinwheel, The magnet pinwheel spun like crazy. However, before she could explain the design and science behind it, a teacher ran in from next door, and screamed at my teacher to turn on our small b & w TV to CBS, and Walter Cronkite. The time was a little after !:00 PM, on November 22nd, 1963. I never saw that device again, but I DID see it, for a short time.

IMHO, I don't see why this would not work. Only one polarity would be "active", from both the pinwheel and the cylindrical manger, and if both were the same, the repulsion would seem to be uniform across the surfaces of the "fan magnets", and if properly angled, would cause the rotor to turn.

I have tried to model this in WM2D, but the closest I could get was to produce the fans from curved polygons angles to produce an offset center of mass, and to introduce an electrostatic force from above. I have attached the model for anyone to modify and experiment with. SOMETHING is definitely causing this model to spin at increasing velocities!

Nightlife, the reason I barged in on your discussion was because you wanted to utilize both polarities instead of just one. Well, if a pinwheel motor was possible, it would use only one polarity as viewed head on, however, there is still the "other side". And besides, you encouraged me to take the chance and post. I'm not getting any younger or healthier! Thank you!

Dact

Maybe I just haven't looked hard enough, but I don't recall ever seeing a discussion here on the "fan" arrangement that I am investigating here. Maybe it's because it's just too simple to even conceive, or maybe it's just common knowledge to everyone but me that this wouldn't work, which is very possible. However, I decided to throw this out here anyway. I DID see something similar in operation when I was a seventh grader in 1963. It DID spin rapidly and that's that!

I have not produced a prototype as of yet, but am ordering the materials tomorrow. I have attached a WM2D sim with which I tried to simulate this idea. Hope it helps. Will also attach some sequential JPEGS from the sim on a later post, if anyone is interested.

I don't know for sure, but it just seems logical that this might just work!

Dact

wizkycho

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Re: Repelling "Fan" theory for a magnet motor
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2008, 10:05:57 AM »
awaiting jpegs

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Re: Repelling "Fan" theory for a magnet motor
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2008, 02:00:55 PM »
Hi sorry not my computer so i cant download the file can you please describe it in a bit more detail? are you sure she was puting any energy into it by wobbling it etc? how very interesting if it was real, i wonder if any other users from your generation also witnessed something simler.

eavogels

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Re: Repelling "Fan" theory for a magnet motor
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2008, 02:47:04 PM »
I'm intrested as well, I send this message to start email notifications. /Eric

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Re: Repelling "Fan" theory for a magnet motor
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2008, 03:26:34 PM »
It's the same principle Arthur Cote used for his "magnetic wind mill motor". You can download the PDF file from this torrent:
http://www.torrentportal.com/details/3127965/How+To+Manufacture+A+Free+Energy+Device+(Perpetual+Motion).pdf.torrent

I cannot attach it here as it's as big as 1.8 Mb

gyulasun

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Re: Repelling "Fan" theory for a magnet motor
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2008, 04:29:12 PM »
It's the same principle Arthur Cote used for his "magnetic wind mill motor". You can download the PDF file from this torrent:
http://www.torrentportal.com/details/3127965/How+To+Manufacture+A+Free+Energy+Device+(Perpetual+Motion).pdf.torrent

I cannot attach it here as it's as big as 1.8 Mb

Hi,

Here in the thread you can upload smaller than 50kB files but at this link you can upload up to 5MB:  http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=upload  with files type like: zip, rar, doc, jpg, gif, png, avi, mov, mpg, mpeg, qt, swf, pdf, odt, rm, ra

would you mind uploading?

thanks,  Gyula

eavogels

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Re: Repelling "Fan" theory for a magnet motor
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2008, 07:02:19 PM »
would you mind uploading?
Gyula, I put it here: http://fdp.nu/shared/manager.asp?d=files for you to download.

But I don't think it has anything to do with the fan. The PDF is one of those 'never working closed loops'.
Eric

gyulasun

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Re: Repelling "Fan" theory for a magnet motor
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2008, 01:29:34 AM »
Thank you Eric, I have downloaded.  Well, the V form setup was shown to give acceleration in a linear track but I have not seen anyone showing a working V track in a full circle as this description shows.  Perhaps making this also linearly and then bend the linear track gradually to right or left at a big radius to complete a full circle?

rgds,  Gyula

Dact

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Dact

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Re: Repelling "Fan" theory for a magnet motor
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2008, 05:44:13 AM »
Hi sorry not my computer so i cant download the file can you please describe it in a bit more detail? are you sure she was puting any energy into it by wobbling it etc? how very interesting if it was real, i wonder if any other users from your generation also witnessed something simler.

Thanks for the interest. No, the pinwheel setup was stationary. She was holding the cylindrical magnet and moving it toward and away from the wheel, causing a distinct increase and decrease in speed. Sorry, this was 45 years ago, but she did not have any reason to fake this. Hell, we had plenty of cheap oil then, just an interesting experiment to her to teach magnetism to a bunch of kids!

Posted JPG files at this link:

Uploaded jpg files at this link.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=cat2;tpstart=30

Dact

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Re: Repelling "Fan" theory for a magnet motor
« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2008, 05:48:32 AM »
Thank you Eric, I have downloaded. 

rgds,  Gyula

Which file are you referring to?

Regards,

Dact

eavogels

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Re: Repelling "Fan" theory for a magnet motor
« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2008, 07:36:19 AM »
Which file are you referring to?

Regards,

Dact
It's the PDf: How to manufacture............

But I don't think it is the same a the fan motor. Does not look like it.
It's more t?he V-gate, that didn't work in a closed loop setup.

Eric.

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Re: Repelling "Fan" theory for a magnet motor
« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2008, 09:42:48 AM »
What makes this model to spin is the custom force field that is aplied and the error on metrics.

Let put the force field to OFF ant then lets increase the accuracy of the model... It stops, there is a stick point and no umbalance...

I'm goint to investigate some more with this curves approaches.

xnonix

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Re: Repelling "Fan" theory for a magnet motor
« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2008, 12:16:47 PM »
Hmmmmm,
ok I have investigated a bit, let's see what I found.

* I made my model without setting any force field and putting out the gravity.
* I set electrostatics on to simulate magnets.
* I put a magnet near the fan. Depending on the position of this magnet the system works or not.
* All is made with standard materials in the program.
* Error metrics are minimized in this model to make it more accuracy than standard accuracy in the program. There seems to be no gliches like subit forces made by error metrics.*
* The system accelerates by itself reaching a terminal velocity depending on air resistance (what is set to 0.3). The system works with higher values.

What do you think? A bit strange, no?

Mandatory picture and model

Dact

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Re: Repelling "Fan" theory for a magnet motor
« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2008, 03:35:11 AM »
What makes this model to spin is the custom force field that is aplied and the error on metrics.

Let put the force field to OFF ant then lets increase the accuracy of the model... It stops, there is a stick point and no umbalance...

I'm goint to investigate some more with this curves approaches.

xnonix

Thank you, Xnonix, I was hping you would respond. The values I gave to the external force field were not based on any real knowledge of the accurate values proportional to what may be realistic, only on equal polarities. My theory was only based on an observation from deep in the past, coupled with a certain belief that only a manipulation of the components could produce a positive result. I thank you for your interest and input!

Dact