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Author Topic: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex  (Read 158191 times)

Offline broli

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #180 on: May 22, 2008, 04:09:32 PM »
Alexioco, I edited my above post I hope you read it.

Anyways I thought adding some type of wheels would make the the pushing smoother, untill I realised that these also could be weights assisting the motion due to the path they take.

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x12/broli123/mt13wm2dV2.jpg)


http://broli.dommel.be/MT13v3.wm2d



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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #180 on: May 22, 2008, 04:09:32 PM »

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #181 on: May 22, 2008, 04:13:10 PM »
Alexioco, I edited my above post I hope you read it.

Anyways I thought adding some type of wheels would make the the pushing smoother, untill I realised that these also could be weights assisting the motion due to the path they take.

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x12/broli123/mt13wm2dV2.jpg)

http://broli.dommel.be/MT13v2.wm2d



Hey Broli, nice thinking, thats a really good idea, that should reduce quite a lot of friction, also having the smaller wheels as weights too is also a good idea, shame I can't get wm2d, my computer says the file is corrupt... So I cannot mess with this program too...

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #182 on: May 22, 2008, 04:19:37 PM »
Greetings Alex

 I think it is time for you to start getting enough tools to do better models of your ideas. This way you can build and see what happens in real time. Take a wood working class and use the tools there. There could be around you, a hobby shop where working is allowed this will help as well. Just throwing out ideas as fast as you have been doing is beginning to look like what we call where I live "swatting flies".

 I suggest when you do a pattern. Look at it, and use the grids that I sent you, and use the strait down line as Ralph taught you. Then see for yourself if it has even a chance. But give it a little time and ponder on it to see what possible changes you may need to do if needed. Then try to build it. Fishing tackle stores you can find weights or you can make them out of old lead (heat outside never indoors, and don't breathe the fumes.) Poor in small tin cans, or cut off peaces of conduit pipe and such. This will be the best way to prove to yourself and others about your ideas.

 You have a good head on your shoulders and an inventive mind. develop your skills and you will be complete.

Good luck

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #182 on: May 22, 2008, 04:19:37 PM »
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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #183 on: May 22, 2008, 04:22:31 PM »
Yet another small modification...


(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x12/broli123/mt13wm2dV3.jpg)


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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #184 on: May 22, 2008, 04:30:19 PM »
Greetings Alex

 I think it is time for you to start getting enough tools to do better models of your ideas. This way you can build and see what happens in real time. Take a wood working class and use the tools there. There could be around you, a hobby shop where working is allowed this will help as well. Just throwing out ideas as fast as you have been doing is beginning to look like what we call where I live "swatting flies".

 I suggest when you do a pattern. Look at it, and use the grids that I sent you, and use the strait down line as Ralph taught you. Then see for yourself if it has even a chance. But give it a little time and ponder on it to see what possible changes you may need to do if needed. Then try to build it. Fishing tackle stores you can find weights or you can make them out of old lead (heat outside never indoors, and don't breathe the fumes.) Poor in small tin cans, or cut off peaces of conduit pipe and such. This will be the best way to prove to yourself and others about your ideas.

 You have a good head on your shoulders and an inventive mind. develop your skills and you will be complete.

Good luck

Hey Alan, I would like to work with you, shame you didn't live in England, we are full of Medieval History too :P
Is it possible we can talk on Bessler Quest or Email about working on those MT's and breaking them down? One by one till all of them are done, we are sure to find some very interesting stuff, plus two heads are better than one  ;)


Hey Broli, your improving on that wheel really well, hmmm wander what eles you can do...

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #184 on: May 22, 2008, 04:30:19 PM »
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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #185 on: May 22, 2008, 04:54:34 PM »
@ Alex

 Yes we can to this, but be prepared to answer questions of observations. For the test will be many.

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #186 on: May 22, 2008, 05:14:37 PM »
@ Alex

 Yes we can to this, but be prepared to answer questions of observations. For the test will be many.

ok Alan, here is an MT Analysis form we can fill out for each MT.

MT Analysis

MT:

What is its function?

Why doesn?t it work?

What are its bad points?

What are its good points?

Meaning of Bessler's comment on the machine?

General comment on the machine;



So what do you think Alan? We can fill this out for every MT wheel, if  anyone has got any other ideas for the MT Analysis then they are welcomed...

Alan every time we complete an MT Analysis, I shall gather them and save it until we have a complete MT Analysis...

Some of the wheels we will not be able to do because the drawings of hard to see, we can do all the ones redrawn plus the clear drawings by Bessler...

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #186 on: May 22, 2008, 05:14:37 PM »
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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #187 on: May 22, 2008, 06:05:04 PM »
Alan here is the first MT Analysis
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MT: 1

What is its function?
Balls roll out from the axel on the descending side and roll in to the axel on the ascending side therefore causing one side of wheel to be over balanced

Why doesn?t it work?
Before the ball on the descending side has the chance to lift the ball on the ascending side high enough for it to roll in to the axel, an equilibrium is caused.

What are its bad points?
The balls on the descending side cannot push down far enough to cause a continuous off balance.

What are its good points?
The balls on the descending side are further from the axel than those on the ascending side.

Meaning of Bessler's comment on the machine?
In order for a weight to roll out on the descending side and in on the ascending side, the line must be rather straight or have a slope.

General comment on the machine;
This machine has no excess power, has a dead zone and it cannot overcome that dead zone.
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The rest we can do on email, is this ok?

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #188 on: May 22, 2008, 06:18:06 PM »
Alexioco, it's best to also add the image with the analysis so people know what you're talking about.

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #188 on: May 22, 2008, 06:18:06 PM »
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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #189 on: May 22, 2008, 06:24:20 PM »
Alexioco, it's best to also add the image with the analysis so people know what you're talking about.

Well I thought that too, but it would mean uploading it everytime as you can't attach the files where you want them, any ideas? is tinypic.com good?

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #190 on: May 22, 2008, 09:02:30 PM »
@ Alex

 Well I had to take a break from my metal work, the humidity today is tough.

Your questions fine. but it need to be a little better direction, just a little more body so to speak. IMO.

For instance
What is its function?, I would ask. How was it suppose to function?

Why doesn?t it work? , I would ask. How was it not able to function?

Then I would ask. What would it take to make it function? and then. How are we going to do it? (and this would be the answer we are looking for). As is we know it won't work, but then we ask ourselves. Is it a lost cause, to try to go further? Or, How far can we take it? and What can we learn from it?

Just a few more questions to add.
I will email you with other information. to set this up properly.

Alan

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #190 on: May 22, 2008, 09:02:30 PM »
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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #191 on: May 22, 2008, 09:09:03 PM »
Ok Alan, ill speak to you about this on email...

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #192 on: May 22, 2008, 10:52:53 PM »
MT: 1

What is its function?
To show that such designs are futile, they make for symmetrical art work!

Why doesn?t it work?

Because the ascending side always has a balanced amount of mass with  the descending side, It cannot lift the balls on the ascending side high enough for it to roll not into but over the axle, an equilibrium is caused.

What are its bad points?

Easeir to define by listing its good points! It has none.

What are its good points?
Symmetrical art work, some may call it "Pop-art"

Meaning of Bessler's comment on the machine?
In order for a weight to roll out on the descending side and in on the ascending side, the line must be rather straight or have a slope.

General comment on the machine;
This machine has no  power what so ever, it has more  dead zones than dynamic ones and it cannot overcome that which it doesn't even recognize as it cannot get there. An outside force to overcome static inertia will make it turn for  a short while, but it will not self-suststain.

(Alex: axle is spelled a-x-l-e not a-x-e-l, no pun inteneded but you have been spelling it wrong since the start of your forum visits.

Ralph

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #193 on: May 23, 2008, 01:43:19 AM »
MT: 1

What is its function?
To show that such designs are futile, they make for symmetrical art work!

Why doesn?t it work?

Because the ascending side always has a balanced amount of mass with  the descending side, It cannot lift the balls on the ascending side high enough for it to roll not into but over the axle, an equilibrium is caused.

What are its bad points?

Easeir to define by listing its good points! It has none.

What are its good points?
Symmetrical art work, some may call it "Pop-art"

Meaning of Bessler's comment on the machine?
In order for a weight to roll out on the descending side and in on the ascending side, the line must be rather straight or have a slope.

General comment on the machine;
This machine has no  power what so ever, it has more  dead zones than dynamic ones and it cannot overcome that which it doesn't even recognize as it cannot get there. An outside force to overcome static inertia will make it turn for  a short while, but it will not self-suststain.

(Alex: axle is spelled a-x-l-e not a-x-e-l, no pun inteneded but you have been spelling it wrong since the start of your forum visits.

Ralph

oh haha thanks  ;D
and thanks for the input

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #194 on: May 23, 2008, 12:10:11 PM »
Hi Alex,
what is your wheel doing ?
Did you already get any weights ?
No pictures or videos yet ?

Many thanks.

 

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