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Author Topic: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex  (Read 153704 times)

Offline AB Hammer

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #165 on: May 19, 2008, 11:39:20 PM »
I have to ask this.

 When you get old, how are you going to pay your bills? (including medical) Or like so many inventors and artist who die penniless.

 Or would you like have a word on how to spend the money, like to help people by making good jobs available, as well as the economy by reinvesting. And having a retirement so you don't have to worry how you will survive when you are old and crippled.  For once open sourced you will have lost control on how money is earned and spent. I will tell you like it is. I myself am self employed and I would like a retirement. But lets look at it in a different way. Building generators all over the world so all can have electricity at a minimum cost. It still cost to build and most people can't do it without help.

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #166 on: May 20, 2008, 05:20:35 AM »
Broli,

But you speak contradicting words.You believe in open source but at the same time want financial backing. That in my book is called greedyness, and no I don't care what you have done so far.

You are not reading my post  correctly, the only contradiction is in your own statement. Let me  clarify;  Open source researching is one thing, sharing knowledge of mistakes and "almost runners"... Seeking financial backing before presenting a feasible cost effective runner I consider scamming.

 At no time have I ever solicited for or received one thin dime for my efforts. In fact I do not solicit for member submissions, I am only here and let it be known that I am here to help those incapable of running their own idea through the research mill. I buy the material and pay all overhead on my shop and resources.

To reiterate so that it is perfectly clear I do not, nor have I ever seeked financial backing. To suggest that I have or do is untrue.  The closest ever received was when a couple of members were considerate enough to purchase required materials and pay the freight to have it sent to me.  They were backing themselves not me.

Another member you know as AB hammer sent me a small desk top model of one of his designs, That is the only form of a gift or contribution I have ever received.   

Ralph
 

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #167 on: May 20, 2008, 03:50:09 PM »
Hi Ralph,
I understand that you have invested a lot of money and work over the years,
when I look at your pictures, what you have already all built.


But,
what will you do,
if you will have a running wheel ?

You can?t patent it,
cause they don?t take P.M. machines at the patent office.
The only thing is let them be build and sell them.

Anyway, the market for this is almost endless.
Everybody could make a fortune also with
competition, as every wheel could be built
to specific needs of the customer or
artistic beautyship integrated into...

So if you have some rich customers who want a good looking
wheel, they will happily pay for it...
It is like the car tuning business, there are always "rich jerks"
who want to "burn wheels " ;) LoL !
;) ;D

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #167 on: May 20, 2008, 03:50:09 PM »
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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #168 on: May 20, 2008, 05:22:38 PM »
I have to ask this.

 When you get old, how are you going to pay your bills? (including medical) Or like so many inventors and artist who die penniless.


Well, just do it as the author of the Water Motor
( see left border ad)
and sell it as a downloadable EBook or
DOC or PDF file via Shareit.com


If something works like this, there will
always be buyers there who like to try it ,
if they get a nice manual how to set it all up
as it is nicely done in the case of the Water Motor.

It is a real nice toy which works and can be scaled up.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #169 on: May 20, 2008, 05:34:16 PM »
Money is important, but it doesnt bring real happiness...
I enjoy making my wheel more than I would selling it, as I say, we need to use money for what we need and thats it.

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Offline rlortie

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #170 on: May 20, 2008, 05:54:44 PM »
Good morning Stefan

Yes I have a considerable financial investment in my shop and tools. It has been envied by a number of professional Machinists. Engine lathe, Bench mill, 20" swing floor mount drill press, floor mount spindle shaper, stick and Mig welders, accessory's and hand tools to numerous to list .  The carpenter shop contains two built in 10" radial arm saws capable of handling material up to 25 feet in length. 10" professional grade table saw, 6" jointer, 24" power feed drum sander, 6 X 48" disk and belt sander, 9"  swing wood lathe with 52" bed and all the hand and power tools one could ever want. 

I built this inventory over a period of years while gainfully employed with the idea of having it all paid for by retirement age. Side jobs and doing custom work has helped absorb some of the the initial investment. I fabricate and machine  everything from wooden antique body parts to the replacement of  airplane parts for restoration.

My picture gallery is only the tip of the iceberg, The majority of my albums are filled with confidential designs that I cannot post. When I build a research proto (at no charge to submitter) and it fails, it is at the discretion of the submitter as to releasing it for public view.  Sorry to say that few are willing to do this.

Now I would like to emphasize on your statement; "You can't Patent it"   You  can and  I believe that all members of this and any O-U involved forum should be aware of the fact.

I disagree with your statement that a gravity wheel cannot be patented,  gravity wheel patents  exist and they are still excepted. It is all in the strategy used in making the application and is the key to your submittal  being accepted.  You start by not calling it a "Perpetual Motion Machine" or a "Gravity Engine". Rather you refer to it as a Gravity assisted Amplifier  or some such related flash of brilliance rather than a baffle of bull -----

After mailing in your application y certified mail and you have the dated postmasters receipt in hand it is dated by post mark.  You can now legally state that you have a "Patent Pending"  you are now covered and protected,  now it is time to go public. You will then receive notification that your patent application has been received. They are slow, so figure on taking the opportunity to publicize your product to the fullest extent. You can even put it into production stamped "Patent Pending". In the meantime the patent examiner is pondering your machine and  wondering exactly what category it fits into. If he refuses  he must explain on what  grounds he or she basis the  decision on. Also it will be scrutinized to  deem if it falls under the National Securities Act.  A little late to worry there, you have already told the world of its existence. 

Be prepared to take a trip!  Chances are the patent officer reviewing your machine will not understand it, and he will  refuse your application. You immediately file an appeal with the Patent Office Board of Appeals.  You must travel to their  office with a small working desk top model of your machine, set it on the desk directly in front of them.  They cannot deny that it is not running. You "win" hands down. Now the bad part. The above scenario has been known to take up to 3 years to resolve.  The good part is,you have already been in production for the better part of that 3 years,  there is no way for the oil lobbies  to influence the patent office into securing your patent by referring to the National Security Act.

My prime reference in backing this scenario and a valid legal precedent is the story of Howard Johnson and his  marvelous magnetic motor. His motor never became a reality but every person involved in O-U research should  recognize and appreciate the fact that he convinced the appeals board that  magnets can and do meet the requirements deemed "work".. A precedent that opens the door allowing access to patenting any device based on the use  of what  is considered "conservative force".

I also have a marketing and management strategy  outlined but will save it for another post!

Ralph                     
 

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #171 on: May 20, 2008, 07:20:52 PM »
First off, Ralph has one heck of a workshop. He can put up pictures of it....it still wouldn't do it justice.

Alex, I have messed with MT's 24 and 25 before....I have also added the beams that go across and it doesn't give any excess energy. I thought in your original post that the curved levers were curved so that it would allow for these to lean on the axle, I must have been mistaken as that is not how you applied that. As it is, all of the weight of the beam is applied downward at about the 7 o'clock position that the levered rod arrangement cannot overcome. I don't think even with it leaning on the axle would help it to rotate perpetually. Fletch pretty much covered this....trading height for width and it balances out. Tried to post a pic of it from WM2D, but it's just over 50kb...


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Offline Alexioco

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #172 on: May 20, 2008, 09:41:57 PM »
First off, Ralph has one heck of a workshop. He can put up pictures of it....it still wouldn't do it justice.

Alex, I have messed with MT's 24 and 25 before....I have also added the beams that go across and it doesn't give any excess energy. I thought in your original post that the curved levers were curved so that it would allow for these to lean on the axle, I must have been mistaken as that is not how you applied that. As it is, all of the weight of the beam is applied downward at about the 7 o'clock position that the levered rod arrangement cannot overcome. I don't think even with it leaning on the axle would help it to rotate perpetually. Fletch pretty much covered this....trading height for width and it balances out. Tried to post a pic of it from WM2D, but it's just over 50kb...


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Trading height for width is bad, yes I understand which puts me off my wheel a little, but guess what, this new wheel which I will soon show, lifts the weight without trading height for width, all of the weights are equally placed around the wheel except that one side is over balanced, its as simpel as that, but I dont want to say to much yet, it does come from my previous wheel though...

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #173 on: May 22, 2008, 01:20:48 PM »
I have been trying to get MT 13 in wm2d but daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn....wm2d is a very very very annoying piece of software for doing something which ought to be fast and simple. Anyways I have the wm2d file with me so the people that want to have a got at it can. The other that can't. Well it's basiclly very choppy,jumpy, error prone etc.

The actual concept has been drawn with autocad. It's kind of funny that wm2d fails at both the drawing part and physics part. It basiclly is a piece of junk. Anyways the file and a screen shot follow.

(http://www.besslerwheel.com/wiki/images/a/a5/Mt_013.gif)
(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x12/broli123/mt13wm2d.jpg)

http://broli.dommel.be/MT13.wm2d




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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #174 on: May 22, 2008, 01:52:09 PM »
Hey its good that people are making these wheels, even though wm2d may not be 100% right, it at least it says something about these wheels, oh and I'm going to buy some weights on Saturday, I need them to be just a nice size and heavy enough so I will see what I can find...

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #175 on: May 22, 2008, 01:57:40 PM »
Hi Broli,
nice design.
In my WM2D it runs !

YOu need to sunstitute the fixed pins with pin joints.

I will do thislater, as I have to go to work now
and post it later..

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #176 on: May 22, 2008, 02:03:44 PM »
Hi Broli,
nice design.
In my WM2D it runs !

YOu need to sunstitute the fixed pins with pin joints.

I will do thislater, as I have to go to work now
and post it later..

Regards, Stefan.

It Runs? So maybe this wheel is important?

? Bessler wrote:
MT13... This is a new weight-invention, with no belts or chains but each weight is separate and free except that each has an interval arm C with which it forms an angle, and on the cylinder hangs a figure which has below a weight in the shape of a half-moon and above a small wheel B over which the arms C sweep and lift themselves up at D. This invention would be very good for running if not so much friction were present or someone was available up by D to always lift up the weight with lightning speed.

If you look at MT 15 the bottom of the small weighted arms, they are also bent this way, but even if MT   13 was included, there are still two extra weights on the ascending side...

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #177 on: May 22, 2008, 03:07:17 PM »
Could this be a working wheel?

Sorry that its rushed, this is how it works...

the square weights are lifted at the top like MT 13
they are all connected to each other like MT 9
they are also connected to each other like my wheel

could this be how Bessler made his wheel work?

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #178 on: May 22, 2008, 03:18:03 PM »
@Alexioco;

Stefan said that it runs, not works. I still need to perfect it so that friction is absolute minimum. This can be done with some gear type mechanism. Then I need to slap wm2d around so that it gives me stabel results.

Edit: Currently I think your previous wheel is better Alexioco, before adding this one let us first play around with it.

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #179 on: May 22, 2008, 03:22:31 PM »
@Alexioco;

Stefan said that it runs, not works. I still need to perfect it so that friction is absolute minimum. This can be done with some gear type mechanism. Then I need to slap wm2d around so that it gives me stabel results.

How about the above wheel, does that hold any answer do you think or...?

 

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