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Author Topic: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex  (Read 176328 times)

Offline zerotensor

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #150 on: May 19, 2008, 06:39:29 AM »
By the way: How would you identify a self-runner in your simulation program?
Would you be able to recognize it?

Ectoplasm, the smell of ozone, a burnt-out cpu, and a splitting headache, (Pi).

Alternatively, instant transport across the galaxy via  "infinite improbability drive"  ( Hitchiker's Guide).

(http://www.cyberpunkreview.com/images/Pi06.jpg)

Seriously, though, it would be apparent -- the model should continuously accelerate in place, with no friction and no outside forces other than gravity.


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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #150 on: May 19, 2008, 06:39:29 AM »

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #151 on: May 19, 2008, 07:19:59 AM »
Hi All,
do you still say,
when you have seen this movie:

http://overunity.com/alexioco/harti_bessler03.avi

that a ramp has no usefull
effect ?

The green weight is 40 Kg and the Blue
weight is 20 Kg...

More to come...

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #152 on: May 19, 2008, 07:46:03 AM »
Okay, here is now the promised
Alex_MT wheel simulation:

http://overunity.com/alexioco/alex_new25.avi
http://overunity.com/alexioco/alex_new25.wm2d

You see, that it keels again.

Okay, have to work now on a few household things.
Will continue with my ramp design probably
in 2 days or so..

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #152 on: May 19, 2008, 07:46:03 AM »
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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #153 on: May 19, 2008, 07:48:56 AM »
Here is the ramp
simulation for those with WM2D to try themself:

http://overunity.com/alexioco/bessler03.wm2d

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #154 on: May 19, 2008, 07:57:37 AM »
P.S: I saw, that I did not yet post a picture of the alex_new25.avi movie.

So here it is for those,who want not to download the movie.

Well, it is basically the MT24
design.

(http://besslerwheel.com/wiki/images/a/a3/Mt_024.gif)

But as you can see, the graphics is overexaggerated, as it can not fold this way...




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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #154 on: May 19, 2008, 07:57:37 AM »
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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #155 on: May 19, 2008, 08:02:57 AM »
Hmm,
I also played with different rod lengths in this MT24 design and maybe I did not yet get the right
rod lengths combinations ?

But I tried several different combinations and all wheels just keeled...

I am still waiting to see some positive results from Alex.

Otherwise just get the Water Motor from Dieter Marfurt and scale it up.
It just works very nicely...
Look at the left border ad.

Regards, Stefan.
« Last Edit: May 19, 2008, 02:59:01 PM by hartiberlin »

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #156 on: May 19, 2008, 10:28:57 AM »
Hi All,
do you still say,
when you have seen this movie:

http://overunity.com/alexioco/harti_bessler03.avi

that a ramp has no usefull
effect ?

The green weight is 40 Kg and the Blue
weight is 20 Kg...More to come...Regards, Stefan.

Your simulation has useful effect!  It says that either WM2D cannot be trusted or your input is with fault.

Using the graphic engineer format in the background as reference   I see the following discrepancies.

A...  The blue weight does not fall true vertical but rather in a very slight "S" shape??
B...  The ramp is less than 45 degrees, thus the blue weight is falling more than twice the distance to achieve half the            elevated distance of the green weight.

C...  Once the green weight is clear of the ramp it will pull the blue up and into the pulley and become what is called in     the rigging and crane operating world as "tube-locked". There will be no rebound (yo-yo) as shown, I would guess your collision and or elasticity factors need adjusting. Either that or you are using a bungee cord for a rope.

D... On the second simulated rise of the blue weight it shows an acceleration increase creating an "Evert" loop-the- loop effect; http://www.evert.de/eft416e.htm  yet there is no physical reason for the weight to react in such manner. The gradient of what is falling and what is raising  will keep the rope tight.In real life their would be no second cycle of the blue or green weight without the use of tension springs or bungee rope.
 
Overview;  Green weight falls off end of less than 45 degree ramp blue ball having traveled over twice the distance and has gained approximately four times the inertial energy. This is now quickly dampened by the gravitational pull of the heavier green weight which begins to fall at a 1:1 ratio pulling up blue weight. Having twice the weight and the same distance to fall it will increase in kinetic energy (not velocity) four times  that of the blue weight. Attaching hardware (rigging) of blue weight  becomes jammed in the pulley.(tube-locked)... The scenario comes to an abrupt end providing rope or cable does not snap or tear out your pulley supports.

As to how you intend to reset this cycle remains to be explored!

I am also apprehensive and question if the green weight resting its mass on an inclined plane will not simply roll down hill raising the lighter blue weight providing resistance is ignored. A 40 K gs weight sitting on an inclined plane still represents 40 K  gs of gravitational potential. The ramp only increases the time line of that potential to descend.   

Disclosure: This is my opinion and should be evaluated as such. Feel free to debate, refute or correct any misleading statements. Hopefully you can prove me wrong and change my biased opinion of WM2D

Ralph     
   
« Last Edit: May 19, 2008, 10:58:21 AM by rlortie »

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #157 on: May 19, 2008, 11:40:56 AM »
Okay, here is now the promised
Alex_MT wheel simulation:

http://overunity.com/alexioco/alex_new25.avi
http://overunity.com/alexioco/alex_new25.wm2d
You see, that it keels again.

Stefan,

Your new25avi is doing exactly as I envisioned it doing.  I do not think there is any simulation problems here.

This is not the answer and as I previously stated: as the two related threads expand, simulations and input to the original concept was being lead astray, a path with very little of the original idea that he presented to me is  being expounded on here, even less in your simulations. 

You cannot elude the fact that Alex has changed designs a number of times, throwing in more MT drawings, only confusing the matter. To me it is subjective  proof that he currently does not have a runner. I am not the least dismayed, as I told him approximately  May 9th what, IMO was wrong. He responded in a kudos manner,  stating that I was right and I was the only one to recognize it.  problem is  neither of us have sit down and discussed the problem. I do not believe  Alex really understood my comment and its relevance.

I am now awaiting acknowledgment from him. I live by a solemn oath not to reveal contents of confidential e-mail unless authorized by the submitter. Alex has left me in a very precarious position by first asking me for my opinion, requesting confidentiality and then creating two threads on this forum.

As one of my peers and member of the  Milkovic team put it: "Its like trying to explain a color to a blind man" 

Ralph       

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #158 on: May 19, 2008, 02:11:05 PM »

 
Overview;  Green weight falls off end of less than 45 degree ramp blue ball having traveled over twice the distance and has gained approximately four times the inertial energy. This is now quickly dampened by the gravitational pull of the heavier green weight which begins to fall at a 1:1 ratio pulling up blue weight. Having twice the weight and the same distance to fall it will increase in kinetic energy (not velocity) four times  that of the blue weight.
   

Well, yes, I wanted only to show,that you can
lift a double as heavy weight via the ramp with a weight only half as much.

I am still pondering about, how I can use this lifting effect efficiently in a wheel
design.


Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #158 on: May 19, 2008, 02:11:05 PM »
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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #159 on: May 19, 2008, 02:14:09 PM »
Stefan,

Your new25avi is doing exactly as I envisioned it doing.  I do not think there is any simulation problems here.

This is not the answer and as I previously stated: as the two related threads expand, simulations and input to the original concept was being lead astray, a path with very little of the original idea that he presented to me is  being expounded on here, even less in your simulations. 

You cannot elude the fact that Alex has changed designs a number of times, throwing in more MT drawings, only confusing the matter. To me it is subjective  proof that he currently does not have a runner. I am not the least dismayed, as I told him approximately  May 9th what, IMO was wrong. He responded in a kudos manner,  stating that I was right and I was the only one to recognize it.  problem is  neither of us have sit down and discussed the problem. I do not believe  Alex really understood my comment and its relevance.

I am now awaiting acknowledgment from him. I live by a solemn oath not to reveal contents of confidential e-mail unless authorized by the submitter. Alex has left me in a very precarious position by first asking me for my opinion, requesting confidentiality and then creating two threads on this forum.

As one of my peers and member of the  Milkovic team put it: "Its like trying to explain a color to a blind man" 

Ralph       

Hi Ralph,
yes, I think,
the MT24 and MT25 have no success.
It all keels down and balances out.
These wheels are just too symmetrical.

We need an asymmetrical disturbance every rotation to keep
it going.... but how... ???

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #160 on: May 19, 2008, 02:40:31 PM »
Nice animations Stefan, keep up the good work.

The rim on my wheel has been attached now, just waiting for my weights, then ill install the weights attach the other side of the wheel to the rim then let the wheel go  ;D

Hey should I film the very first test I do, the very first time I put the wheel onto its axel?

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #161 on: May 19, 2008, 07:21:18 PM »
Stefan,

Hi Ralph,
yes, I think,
the MT24 and MT25 have no success.
It all keels down and balances out.
These wheels are just too symmetrical.

We need an asymmetrical disturbance every rotation to keep
it going.... but how... Huh

A few years ago I  set up a "skunk works"  research shop/s for O-U.  As part of this program I drafted   "Charter  guidelines" that must be adhered to.  My first was to build and maintain without question the integrity and reputation to gain the trust of those, lacking resources, skills, and tooling to test their own ideas.

Not unlike a Priest or Doctor, I am oath bound not to divulge communication of private submissions. Individuals recognized as experts by New Energy Congress and others of Sterling Allen's influenced infrastructure such as FE news, ZPEnergy and related O-U based forums have in one way or another came in contact with me, most by referrals.

 Why do I bring this to your attention? I do so to explain to you why, when you ask: We need an asymmetrical disturbance every rotation to keep it going.... but how?

I cannot respond with my opinion without acknowledgment from Alex.  Also there is the matter of my own self-preservation, I believe in open resource research, but I do not fully intend to simply give away the answer for a cost effective sustaining device.  I have to many years of  labor, and an  exorbitant amount of financial outlay for tooling, shop, shop overhead, materials, taxes, utilities, and related expenses that I would like some day to  capture a moderate return for.

I can tell you, as it is not considered confidential,  remove MT 24 from your simulation program and throw it away as far as you can. It is not a requirement for this design approach and is in fact detrimental.

Private correspondence received from Alex opened this morning and my oath, once again has me "tube-locked" regarding this matter.

Ralph   

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #162 on: May 19, 2008, 08:15:08 PM »
Just look at that isn?t that loyally................

Well Ralph, I know that you can go to any forum and you won?t break your promise, thanks.
I have not met anyone like you before on the computer and I?m sure that allot of people on this forum are loyal too...

Anyway, this new wheel (which is an improved one from what we all see (BDW)) will be spoke about on a new topic soon, which will not be disappointing, but for the time being, lets keep our hopes up for the wheel I posted, the rim is attached, I need to attach the other wheel on via hinge, then keep it steady with pegs, any ideas on how I can do this?

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #163 on: May 19, 2008, 09:26:47 PM »
Ralph thanks for the advice you're meant to give as I'm meant to make this post. But you speak contradicting words. You believe in open source but at the same time want financial backing. That in my book is called greedyness, and no I don't care what you have done so far. My only intention is to give a free energy device to the world, and I would care less if it doesn't bring me a dime since, that's the only thing that will always stop me and forget the goal. So far I'm very greatfull for alex's openness this will prove us that open sourceness is far from being giving your ideas for free just so you can get ripped off. The only people that think that are the only people have and will earn nothing.

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« Reply #164 on: May 19, 2008, 09:36:59 PM »
I agree, money does not bring happiness...

 

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