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Author Topic: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS  (Read 74870 times)

Offline petersone

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Re: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS
« Reply #90 on: June 01, 2008, 12:24:45 AM »
Hi Gyula
I would be very grateful if you could comment on the enclosed sketch,I built one today and it seems to work,I think I need to use a coil with thinner wire as I am only just turning the diode on,is generating usually done with high volts?
If you think it's a non-runner just say so!!!
happy hunting
peter

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Re: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS
« Reply #91 on: June 01, 2008, 01:03:39 AM »
Hi Gyula
I would be very grateful if you could comment on the enclosed sketch,I built one today and it seems to work,I think I need to use a coil with thinner wire as I am only just turning the diode on,is generating usually done with high volts?
If you think it's a non-runner just say so!!!
happy hunting
peter


Hi Peter,

If I understand your drawing, basically you wish to make a generator driven by a motor, right?
Well, to answer you question a diode like 1N4007 or 1N4148 and the like needs higher than 0.7V peak voltage to be able to conduct current, below that it behaves as an open circuit,  and of course its anode should be 0.7V more positive with respect to its cathode to conduct.  In the drawing the diode should be reversed to get the positive half waves you indicated there with respect to the other wire end.
Yes, if you make a coil with thinner wire, you will have more room for more turns if you mean that and more turns will induce higher output voltage for sure.

You have at least two coils at the moment built-in, facing both the iron pieces and the magnets?

I also ask you really have not got any iron core in the coil?  This also explains the lower induced voltage, increase of the number of turns helps on this. The pitfall may be with the thinner wire and more turns is that the inner resistance of the generator  coil increases hence the copper loss also increases when you try loading the output.

If you would explain in a bit more detail the text in the lower right column, It is not a 100% clear for me ?  I figure you hope in a no Lenz generator but I am afraid as long as your output is low the output current for your whatever load is also low hence the Lenz effect is also low... :(     At the moment this all I can comment on this.

rgds,  Gyula

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Re: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS
« Reply #92 on: June 01, 2008, 01:24:56 AM »
Hi Gyula
Thanks for your fast return!!
I understand small watts out,small lenz effect,but what I found strange was the diode one way,I can "see" the lenz effect,but the other way no lenz effect.because,I hope,when it's the "wrong"way,it is generating on leaving the coil,and that's no good,but the right way I can't "see"any lenz.
what I said on the sketch was,
when the magnet approaches the coil,normal lenz effect on the magnet end,but the iron is being pulled to the coil at the other end so cancels lenz out,a diode to switch off the coil when the magnet and iron leave the coil.

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Re: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS
« Reply #93 on: June 01, 2008, 01:32:58 AM »
Hi Gyula,again
Forgot to say,just the one coil at the moment,but could add more,with no core,just air!!
happy hunting
peter

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Re: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS
« Reply #94 on: June 01, 2008, 01:44:17 AM »
Hi Gyula,again,again.
Forgot to ask,do you know of  any diodes that switch at a lower voltage?
happy hunting.
peter

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Re: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS
« Reply #95 on: June 01, 2008, 01:22:07 PM »
Hi Peter,

Well,  germanium diodes have got the smallest forward voltage drop (0.1-0.3V)  but they are very rare and expensive nowadays if medium or higher power versions are needed. (see some info here on small power types: http://www.banzaieffects.com/Germanium-c-364.html )

You could use Schottky type diodes instead, their forward voltage drop is around 0.3-0.4V for the low barrier types, see some info on them here: http://www.banzaieffects.com/Schottky-c-367.html  and type 1N5817 (max 1A) or BAT48 (max 350mA) would be a good start instead of  any Silicon type you may have got now with their 0.6-0.7V and higher forward voltage drops.

Let's try discussing the Lenz effect. When your air core coil approaches the magnet (and you have a load on the coil through a diode of conducting polarity to the induced voltage/current) it is sure Lenz law will work against this approaching movement. If your diode's polarity were just the opposite, then no current could flow, hence no Lenz.

But your iron piece also get magnetized when it approaches (together with the coil) towards the magnet and it makes an opposing (but maybe weaker than the magnet) pole, a South pole (if we consider your drawing) at the other end of the coil too. So this opposing pole I think works also FOR  Lenz in this approaching phase, don't you think?  Maybe I am wrong here, please explain.

When the magnet and the pole piece moves further and starts leaving the center line of the coil, normally the current changes direction if your load is still present through the diode but now the diode closes down any current due to getting reverse biased.

If you were connecting the diode in reverse direction in the approaching phase, then no current could flow till reaching the center line, hence no Lenz on approach,  then on leaving the center line the diode would open and let the current flow in the load, hence Lenz effect would manifest.  Agree with this?  Maybe I am wrong.

Cheers,  Gyula


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Re: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS
« Reply #96 on: June 01, 2008, 01:47:18 PM »
Hi  Gyula
I'm working on the assumption that,as the north pole of the mag. approaches the coil it will induce a north pole,hence lenz,at the other end of the coil will be a south pole,which will induce a north pole in the iron.
Maybe my assumption is wrong?I'm hoping you can tell me.
happy hunting.
peter.

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Re: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS
« Reply #97 on: June 01, 2008, 06:06:05 PM »
Hi Peter,

The question is which of the two fluxes is stronger:  the other end of the coil (South) or the iron's flux ( made also South by the permanent magnet) ?  If the iron gets very weakly magnetized from the perm. magnet (because of the distance and / or the given strength of the perm. magnet) and the coil's south pole is stronger there, then the iron will be (at least weakly or a bit stronger) polarized a north pole.

So in case the perm. magnet induced south pole due to Lenz is strong enough at the other coil end, then the iron will work against Lenz in this approaching phase because the coil end is able to attract to the iron.

Maybe you could help to totally defeat the effect of the perm. magnet on the iron piece by placing a small perm magnet of the correct pole behind and to the outside of the iron piece  ;) ?   Or what if you leave out the iron piece and make do with another perm. magnet of the correct pole instead ?

So you are right!  Thanks,

Gyula

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Re: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS
« Reply #98 on: June 01, 2008, 09:08:44 PM »
Hi Gyula
I don't known if I am right or not,I will simply try it.
I always try to work out why it won't work and not bother why it will.
The reason I feel it won't work is have the same poles approaching the coil at the same time,one perm.and one induced.
I'm winding another coil with thinner wire and a "box" section as I believe that is the best,hope to get a higher voltageto better swich the diode.of course the odds are well against me,nobody has betten lenz yet,as far as I know.
Thanks for your help.
happy hunting.
peter

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Re: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS
« Reply #99 on: June 01, 2008, 09:22:06 PM »
@gotoluc
I don't know what an IronHead cell is, but maybe you could answer a couple of questions about it?

1) Is it capable of being sealed so you can measure gas/time?

2) Are you interested enough in what the SEC Exciter is doing, to do a comparison with straight DC against the SEC (subjective only)?

Of course I am set up to measure gas volume, but do not have a cell (IronHead) type so what I am doing may or may not be as good as or better than what you have found. Maybe some simple marks on the side and guess at how many mL/time and we can factor in 20% loss for evaporation. You did say once it did not get hot, then you said it did?

That in itself would be worth looking at, how much water is in the tank and how much does the temp rise in Xtime, again assume a 20% bleed to environment. That could be compared to input power and at least show what is coming off in heat?

Thanks...

Sorry I will not be commenting on your thread on the negative electricity project, just starting out you have a group of the typical talking heads and I do not want to evoke the games. We could talk by direct email to my drs address.

Good work...


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Re: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS
« Reply #100 on: June 01, 2008, 09:24:03 PM »
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Re: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS
« Reply #101 on: June 01, 2008, 11:32:00 PM »
Hi Gyula
I don't known if I am right or not,I will simply try it.
I always try to work out why it won't work and not bother why it will.
The reason I feel it won't work is have the same poles approaching the coil at the same time,one perm.and one induced.
I'm winding another coil with thinner wire and a "box" section as I believe that is the best,hope to get a higher voltageto better swich the diode.of course the odds are well against me,nobody has betten lenz yet,as far as I know.
Thanks for your help.
happy hunting.
peter

Hi Peter,

I think the only sure answer is to test the theory in practice, no arguing can substitute experimenting so I am pleased you continue tinkering with this question.  I goofed in my last suggestion with replacing the iron piece with a permanent magnet: it would not insure any Lenz reducing effect. But I still maintain all my other reasonings written before that, including a tiny magnet behind the iron piece for cancelling any magnetization from the main perm. magnet.

rgds,  Gyula

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Re: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS
« Reply #102 on: June 02, 2008, 11:01:30 AM »
Hi   Gyula
Thanks for your comments,I've wound another coil and will do some tinkering today,let you know the out come.
happy hunting
peter

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Re: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS
« Reply #103 on: June 04, 2008, 01:24:12 PM »
Bedini and Bearden are the closest so far as far as I can find but then again, they most not have understood the forces at play because if they did, their motors would have been over 200% efficient.

 It is a mater of understanding the forces as well as understanding how to manipulate them properly. All the above were trying to produce more work with two forces without properly utilizing either force. The only true over unity device ever built is the magnet and nature has even produced them but yet we have not properly utilized them. Bedini and Bearden were the closest thus far and they both left out three very important things.

 I shouldn't post this but what the heck.

 One very important thing they are not utilizing is both poles of the coils. While they are using one, the other is being wasted. Both can be utilized. Once both are utilized, the motor becomes 100% more efficient.

 The other is the proper utilization of the magnets. They are only utilizing one half of the face polarity when they could be utilizing 100% of both face polarity's. This can be done if you truly understand how they work. This adds another 100% efficiency to their designs. It only adds 100% because you have to use both poles of the coils to properly utilize them.
 To do this, you need to place one magnet next to another but with opposite polarity's facing up. This has to be done in two different arrangements but they must me arranged in the opposite, meaning, if you have one with the north first, the other has to have the south first.

 Another thing that has to be done is the switching of polarity?s the coils put out. This has to be done between each pulse that the coils are supplied with.

 Once this is all done, you will have what you all call over unity. There is your true free energy. Good luck and please don't be greedy.

 Thomas N. Brown
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HI NIGHTLIFE, EDDY HERE, PLEASE EXCUSE MY IGNORANCE, THE MAGNETIC MOTOR SEEMS TO ME TO BE A VERY SIMPLE DEVICE TO MAKE AND POWER AN ALTERNATOR. THE POWER OUTPUT OF THE MAGNETIC MOTOR WILL SURELY DEPEND ON THE STRENGTH OF THE MAGNETS USED IN THE STATOR AND THE  OFF-SET ANGLE OF THE MAGNETS ON THE ROTOR WHICH GIVE DIRECTION OF ROTATION. THIS IDEA IS NEW TO ME, SO SIMPLE I DON'T KNOW WHY I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT IT BEFORE! THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT BOTHER ME AND THAT IS THE POSSIBLE HEAT CREATED BY THE MAGNETIC FORCES AND THE MOST EFFECIENT ANGLE OF THE MAGNETS ON THE ROTOR FOR OPTIMUM PERFORMENCE. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO POST YET AS I'VE ONLY BEEN REGISTERED FOR ABOUT AN HOUR AND I'M STILL TRYING TO FIGURE IT ALL OUT. YOU CAN 'E' MAIL ME A REPLY I GUESS AS I HAVE AN INBOX. MAYBE I'LL BE LUCKY AND FIND THIS AREA OF THE SITE AGAIN TO CHECK YOUR ANSWER, HE HE!  ANYWAY A REALLY INTERESTING SITE. KIND REGARDS EDDY

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Re: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS
« Reply #104 on: June 04, 2008, 03:40:10 PM »
Hi   Gyula
Everything working 100%,unfortunately I'm referring to lenz's law!!
Another stupid idea over with,however,there is lots of take about pulse motors,but I haven't seen anything about pulse generators!!! how about switching it off at the top and bottom of a ac wave form?
"Pay" for the rise in voltage,and collect the "free" flyback,haven't thought it through yet,but what are your comments in principle?
happy hunting.
peter