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Author Topic: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS  (Read 74876 times)

Offline gyulasun

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Re: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS
« Reply #60 on: May 20, 2008, 12:57:56 PM »
Just an idea in the above drawing,uses both sides of coil and mags.
your comments gentelmen,(and ladies) any good?
happy hunting.
peter

Hi Peter,

Case 1: no ring magnets on your rotor

This setup in principle is similar to Peter Lindemann's rotary attraction motor and he says it can be made with a COP of higher than one (by making the air gap extremely small between the rotor and stator in a machine shop and also capturing the flyback pulse from the electromagnet), see this link:
http://www.free-energy.ws/electric-motor-secrets/attraction-motor.html

Case 2: ring magnets in your rotor

I cannot read your text in the lower right corner of your drawing, after 'USE AS PULSE MOTOR.....

So what I can see in this setup is that the iron arms will attract to the stator cores and I assume you will give a repel pulse to electromagnet for kicking the iron arms further on to the next attraction etc.
This may also be a COP>1 but you have to build it to make sure :)

Maybe you wish to write some more thoughts of this setup how you think, maybe I am missing something?

Gyula

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Re: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS
« Reply #61 on: May 20, 2008, 05:03:37 PM »
Hi Gyula
I think you understand it ok,it was just a simple way to use all poles,and also open and close the flux path.
Right corner is,use as pulse motor or E-Brown gen or both,or without mags attraction motor.I have not seen a setup where the mags are on the shaft,but I may be wrong!!
I have a simple one working that I am "playing" with.
I'm working with a basic trigger,reed switch,transistor and so on,but the transistor is about 3ohms when open,and ths coil is also 3ohms so I'm losing half my amps across the transistor,my question is,is that normal?
thanks for your interest.
happy hunting.
peter

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Re: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS
« Reply #62 on: May 20, 2008, 05:13:32 PM »
Hi Gyula,again,forgot to say,when using it as a gen. when I short out the coil the revs go up and it daws less current,maybe just reducing the "bump"
happy hunting
peter

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Re: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS
« Reply #63 on: May 20, 2008, 05:56:05 PM »

I'm working with a basic trigger,reed switch,transistor and so on,but the transistor is about 3ohms when open,and ths coil is also 3ohms so I'm losing half my amps across the transistor,my question is,is that normal?

Hi Peter,

Well, it obeys Ohm's Law  :)   Question is what type of transistor you use? Is it bipolar or power MOSFET? 
Among the MOSFETs you can find types of well under 1 Ohm drain-source channel resistance, in the some tens milliOhm order.
Bipolar transistors has higher than this saturation resistances unless you use special switching types, but even then they may not beat MOSFETs in this respect.
Do you recover flyback pulse energy in your simple working 'prototype'?  If you do, then you may use MOSFETs with 80-100V drain voltage ratings (I suppose you use 12V battery or such supply) and such cheaper types as IRF520 IRF530 would be nice with their 0.27 or 0.16 Ohm channel-on resistance ( http://www.futurlec.com/TransMosIRF.shtml )
If you do nor recover flyback pulse you have to use higher than 100V switching devices, not to ruin them (flyback pulse may go up above 200V or higher).  Of course there are much better types than those older and cheaper ones.

rgds,  Gyula


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Re: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS
« Reply #64 on: May 20, 2008, 06:10:42 PM »
Hi Gyula,again,forgot to say,when using it as a gen. when I short out the coil the revs go up and it daws less current,maybe just reducing the "bump"
happy hunting
peter

Well, I can only guess this: when you short out the coil the induced voltage hence current helps coil core get out from magnetic saturation or eddy current effects the ring magnets make in it so the drag effect may get eased? I am not sure  >:(

see this on topic http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4047.msg97828.html#msg97828  I tend to agree with Nali2001 but Thane strongly disagrees Nali2001.... 

What do you think?  Maybe you could bypass a little your ring magnets 'from top to toe' by some parallel iron wires to reduce flux density towards the arms and see what happens?

rgds, Gyula

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Re: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS
« Reply #65 on: May 21, 2008, 12:27:52 PM »
Addition to previous sketch

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Re: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS
« Reply #66 on: May 21, 2008, 12:36:43 PM »
Hi  Gyula
thanks again
I going to try the ramp idea,my problem is with the trigger,it seems to be very expencive to use as much for the trigger as running the motor!!,I don't see how it can stand a chance of OU.
I think I need the most inexpencive trigger I can find,any ideas?of course I'm using a diode to protect the tansistor but not harnessing the fly back yet.
thanks again.
happy hunting
peter

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Re: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS
« Reply #67 on: May 21, 2008, 12:38:30 PM »
Yes I also think this addition is an improvement in getting some more torque for 'free'.

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Re: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS
« Reply #68 on: May 21, 2008, 12:46:29 PM »
Hi  Gyula
thanks again
I going to try the ramp idea,my problem is with the trigger,it seems to be very expencive to use as much for the trigger as running the motor!!,I don't see how it can stand a chance of OU.
I think I need the most inexpencive trigger I can find,any ideas?of course I'm using a diode to protect the tansistor but not harnessing the fly back yet.
thanks again.
happy hunting
peter

You are on the right track when realising your present switch has high Ohmic losses.  I hinted at some MOSFET types yesterday, question is where are you located and what active device choices you could select from?
If you name any component supplier near to you with their website perhaps I could suggest a bareable  pick for you?

Gyula

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Re: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS
« Reply #69 on: May 21, 2008, 04:24:28 PM »
Hi Gyula
I think you understand, I mean inexpensive in energy terms,at the moment I'm using mjl21194,the same one that peter l.uses on his attraction motor on youtube,I thought he must know what he is doing,I'm am in UK,but I get stuff from USA somtimes.I'm not too bad on the machanical side,but need complete layout for electronics,I have an hnc in electronics,but that was 30yrs ago!!
thanks Gyula.
happy hunting.
peter

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Re: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS
« Reply #70 on: May 21, 2008, 09:35:23 PM »
Hi Gyula
I think you understand, I mean inexpensive in energy terms,at the moment I'm using mjl21194,the same one that peter l.uses on his attraction motor on youtube,I thought he must know what he is doing,I'm am in UK,but I get stuff from USA somtimes.I'm not too bad on the machanical side,but need complete layout for electronics,I have an hnc in electronics,but that was 30yrs ago!!
thanks Gyula.
happy hunting.
peter

Hi Peter,

Peter L. made that video for pure demonstration purposes, he claims no any extra output from that off the shelf motor he changed to suit for the this purpose. As he wrote on energeticforum.com a  COP of >1 in a real attraction motor needs a precisely machined airgap of well under 0.1mm between the rotor and stator and using very fast recovery diode to catch the full flyback pulse and of course the switching transistor also needs to be chosen for the lowest loss.

Maybe you could order from Farnell UK a MOSFET? I thought of this: http://uk.farnell.com/8648751/discretes/product.us0?sku=international-rectifier-irfb31n20dpbf

and this is a fast diode (D1 in series with the MOSFET drain to defeat the built-in body diode of the MOSFET and D2 for the flyback pulse recovery):
http://uk.farnell.com/1307881/discretes/product.us0?sku=vishay-general-semiconductor-mur440-e3

Of course you can obtain the same or similar devices from elsewhere as you wish.
I have attached a schematics for the MOSFET version to switch the coil.  Of course you may use Lindemann schematic of modified Series 1 motor with also a MOSFET switch too here:
http://www.esmhome.org/library/bob-teal/index.html

rgds,  Gyula

PS: I hope nightlife does not find this fully off-topic from his original aim in this thread.

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Re: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS
« Reply #71 on: May 22, 2008, 01:27:40 AM »
gyulasun,
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I hope nightlife does not find this fully off-topic from his original aim in this thread.

 I feel this forum was designed for us all to get together and exchange idea's on how to create energy. I welcome all to post anything they want on any thread I start as long as it is not something disrespectful torwards another member.

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Re: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS
« Reply #72 on: May 22, 2008, 02:10:46 AM »
Hi Gyula
Thanks for that,I was thinking maybe simple points of some sort would be less expensive energy wise,what do you think?
happy hunting
peter

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Re: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS
« Reply #73 on: May 22, 2008, 05:36:08 AM »
it's been said here that Bedini never utilized both poles

doesn't this patent look like both poles are being used?

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Re: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS
« Reply #74 on: May 22, 2008, 08:03:14 AM »
poynt99, actually it doesn't.

 It has two coils and only use's one pole from each coil.