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Author Topic: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS  (Read 74868 times)

Offline nightlife

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Re: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS
« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2008, 08:16:47 PM »
resonanceman,
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I assume that  you plan to drive  your coils  with AC

 I actually plan on using a D/C source. 12 volt car battery's.

 
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the  only  down  side I can see  if IF  you  have  a  place  where  your magnets " catch "  the  problem area  will have twice the  energy to  stop the rotor.

 That is true but all catches can be utilized to produce power.

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In real life  probably  the  worst  part about  the  idea is it  will make  winding  the  coils  harder .....

 That is where I may have a problem. I have been studying ways of making coils but I have not done so yet. The same goes for the circuitry and collecting coils. I am planning on using a odd collection coil design. It is half moon shaped and there will be several placed  on each side of the wheel operating off magnets that will be placed on the sides of the wheel.

 Thanks for your support and please post any other concerns you may find and or still have. I would prefer to get all the bugs worked out before I get this built.

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Re: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS
« Reply #16 on: May 14, 2008, 11:57:12 PM »
hi NightLife, ....would this same idea work if a normal coil was used and a wheel was placed at each end ?(rather than bending a coil into a U shape).

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Re: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS
« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2008, 01:51:02 AM »
b0rg13,
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would this same idea work if a normal coil was used and a wheel was placed at each end ?(rather than bending a coil into a U shape).

Yes, it should. That was my first design but I figured my new design would be more efficient.

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Re: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS
« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2008, 02:03:11 AM »
Hi NightLife,

Amazing and creative idea, IMHO.
Could it be, as stated by B0rg13, something like that?

(http://freenrg.info/Pic/Double_SSG.GIF)

Best

Modif : Too late, sorry....   :-\

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Re: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS
« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2008, 02:31:49 AM »
NerzhDishual, yes it can but let me alter your picture and show you how to double the power as well as your pulse length capability.

 The other thing is that you may have to connect the two wheels together by using gears on the axes. This way you can be assured your timing will stay the same for both wheels. The problem with that is that you lose efficiency by way of resistance gears add.

 

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Re: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS
« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2008, 02:50:16 AM »
Let me explain the advantages of my magnet arangement.

 1. It doubles the power out put.

 2. It gives you the option of having a longer power throw.

 3. It can be kept to only move in one direction.

 The ideal set up be to have one coil for every two sets of magnets. Damn, I just had another brain storm. You will love this next one. LOL

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Re: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS
« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2008, 03:27:01 AM »
 In this design, the coil is placed between to wheels that are attached to the same axel. Each wheel has magnets around them as pictured. This could be easily multiplied as shown in the second picture. Multiple coils can and should be used between each of two wheels. The end outside surfaces of the wheels can be utilized by installing magnets for charging coils. This design may be the best yet and I am thinking of other ways to utilize it?s design. I should get a job doing this type of work. LOL
« Last Edit: May 15, 2008, 03:58:46 AM by nightlife »

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Re: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS
« Reply #22 on: May 15, 2008, 05:44:51 AM »
 Quote from Nightlife: "I shouldn't post this but what the heck."

My sentiments exactly, at this point. I believe too many people have been concentrating too much on designing a CAPTURE device for the forces of magnetism, instead of concentrating on the forces themselves. In almost every case, the opposite polarity somehow cancels out the force of the other. Also, in almost every case, a rotor and stationary stators are used. Why?

In the case of other "forces" we have successfully captured, i.e., water power, wind power, and steam power, we have utilized a blade, or turbine system, to capture the energy. Why not magnetism? Since joining this forum a year ago, I have recalled a demonstration that my seventh grade science teacher showed us. She had constructed a pinwheel shaped "fan" of flat magnets, and introduced a fairly large rod magnet in front of the pinwheel, The magnet pinwheel spun like crazy. However, before she could explain the design and science behind it, a teacher ran in from next door, and screamed at my teacher to turn on our small b & w TV to CBS, and Walter Cronkite. The time was a little after !:00 PM, on November 22nd, 1963. I never saw that device again, but I DID see it, for a short time.

IMHO, I don't see why this would not work. Only one polarity would be "active", from both the pinwheel and the cylindrical manger, and if both were the same, the repulsion would seem to be uniform across the surfaces of the "fan magnets", and if properly angled, would cause the rotor to turn.

I have tried to model this in WM2D, but the closest I could get was to produce the fans from curved polygons angles to produce an offset center of mass, and to introduce an electrostatic force from above. I have attached the model for anyone to modify and experiment with. SOMETHING is definitely causing this model to spin at increasing velocities!

Nightlife, the reason I barged in on your discussion was because you wanted to utilize both polarities instead of just one. Well, if a pinwheel motor was possible, it would use only one polarity as viewed head on, however, there is still the "other side". And besides, you encouraged me to take the chance and post. I'm not getting any younger or healthier! Thank you!

Dact

P.S. Nightlife, if you feel that my post should be separate, don't hesitate to say so.

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Re: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS
« Reply #23 on: May 15, 2008, 08:17:01 AM »
@Nightlife,

Below is the image of what I have been thinkind building of for a while. It uses both sides of the Magnets and both sides of the Coils. I would have 8 Coils around the Stator and 7 Magnets around the Rotor, like a Bill Muller Generator, that way it gets rid of sticky spots.

Luc

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Re: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS
« Reply #24 on: May 15, 2008, 11:27:07 PM »
@Nightlife,

Below is the image of what I have been thinkind building of for a while. It uses both sides of the Magnets and both sides of the Coils. I would have 8 Coils around the Stator and 7 Magnets around the Rotor, like a Bill Muller Generator, that way it gets rid of sticky spots.

Luc

Hi Luc,

I assume you will drive the rotor with something (preferably with a low power motor) and utilize the induced power in the stators' coils, right? 
Would like to ask how you think the effect of Lenz law will manifest in the input power consumption of the driving motor? 
I assume the load current in the output coils will always create repel poles at the endings of the stators with respect to the just approaching and then leaving rotor magnet poles. It is ok that you can cleverly manipulate the number of coils with the number of rotor magnets to minimize cogging but once the load appears so does the repel poles at the prongs so cogging may reappear, with increasing input power demand due to Lenz law, this is how I think now.

Have you considered these things already?

Thanks,  Gyula

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Re: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS
« Reply #25 on: May 16, 2008, 03:10:51 AM »
Dact, I am glad I was able to help you with your decision for posting your thoughts. I do hope that you post more if you should have and or even think of any new ones.

 I could not down load your attachments and I am having a hard time picturing what you were talking about. If you could post a picture using a different program, I would like to see it so I can give you my opinion of it.

 Please note that I am not a very book smart guy but I will give you my honest opinion.


gotoluc, our concepts are very similar and I believe yours will work just as well except, you seem to only use one magnet and when doing so, you can only utilize half of the facing polarity?s. Do to you using both sides of the magnets, that alone adds 100% more torque. I would think of adding a magnet to each of the others you are using so that you can get another 100%.

 All in all, you have a good idea and I would like to see what you get out of the end results.

 Good luck and thank you.
 Tom

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Re: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS
« Reply #26 on: May 16, 2008, 03:46:00 AM »
@ Dact

I always wondered if we couldn't reclaim electricity by attaching magnets and coils to an already existing AC driven fan.

What are you're thoughts on this?

Regards,
Paul

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Re: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS
« Reply #27 on: May 16, 2008, 04:00:57 AM »
Dact, I am glad I was able to help you with your decision for posting your thoughts. I do hope that you post more if you should have and or even think of any new ones.

 I could not down load your attachments and I am having a hard time picturing what you were talking about. If you could post a picture using a different program, I would like to see it so I can give you my opinion of it.

 Please note that I am not a very book smart guy but I will give you my honest opinion.

Good luck and thank you.
 Tom

Thank you, Nightlife. I think I will start a new thread, and try to post some jpeg's to further explain my ideas. I will look forward to your input! Also, i am trying to duplicate your idea in wM2d. Will report back here.

Thanks!

Dact

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Re: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS
« Reply #28 on: May 16, 2008, 04:16:17 AM »
Hey Guys;

If you look through the private notes of Paul Brown ( available on line in several locations) you will find his design and experiments where he does indeed use both poles of magnets rotating between C shaped cores and and windings.  If you read through the notes you will see where he allegedly achieved fantastic results with his experiments!

Vince

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Re: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS
« Reply #29 on: May 16, 2008, 04:26:44 AM »
Hey Guys;

If you look through the private notes of Paul Brown ( available on line in several locations) you will find his design and experiments where he does indeed use both poles of magnets rotating between C shaped cores and and windings.  If you read through the notes you will see where he allegedly achieved fantastic results with his experiments!

Vince

could you possibly post a link or two ?, thank you.