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Offline gyulasun

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Re: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS
« Reply #105 on: June 06, 2008, 12:23:52 AM »
Hi   Gyula
Everything working 100%,unfortunately I'm referring to lenz's law!!
Another stupid idea over with,however,there is lots of take about pulse motors,but I haven't seen anything about pulse generators!!! how about switching it off at the top and bottom of a ac wave form?
"Pay" for the rise in voltage,and collect the "free" flyback,haven't thought it through yet,but what are your comments in principle?
happy hunting.
peter


Hi Peter,

Well,  would you mind describing a little more how you think a pulse generator principle? Why would it be good to switch it off at the peak voltage values if you mean that ?  At the moment all I can say is a flyback pulse (and its energy content) is created fully from the input power you feed in and energy wise you normally do not gain extra power just from the flyback pulse.

If you peep into Jack Hildebrand thread here, you can find motor setup that strongly smells overunity  ;) 
See this video first, then go through most of the letters following it: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2386.msg100361.html#msg100361
The motor setup dicussed  there gives a mechanical extra output for an certain electric input and this could be used as an advantage to drive conventional generator(s) to get more electric output than is needed for the motor.

I can show you a link where there is proposed a setup to reduce the effect of Lenz law in generators, have a look at it:

http://www3.sympatico.ca/slavek.krepelka/ttf2/fields8.htm
http://www3.sympatico.ca/slavek.krepelka/ttf2/fields9.htm

Whether his proposal really works as he imagines,  only practical tests can tell.

rgds,  Gyula

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Re: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS
« Reply #106 on: June 06, 2008, 04:54:37 PM »
Hi Gyula
I have "seen" the info. before,but not studied it,that's where I'm going wrong!!!
I like the idea of turning the pm on and off, with little energy.I tried it with a simple setup,and it works.
It seems like a case going down the ou motor route,or the ou gen.route,of course both would be nice!!
My idea was to use the ac.output as normal,but switch off at the top and bottom peaks,probably to simplistic to work.
Many thanks for your reply.
happy hunting.
peter

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Re: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS
« Reply #107 on: June 09, 2008, 01:12:59 AM »
Hi Gyula
I've been looking at the pages you kindly suggested,particularly the one by I think jack.h.and I can't help thinking why can't the iron rotor be replaced with a fixed coil and pulse the input,a sort of over unity transformer.
Also,it seems an old idea,like the magnetic boots that you must have seen.
It  seems,to me, strange to do a lot of work to make a motor,all be it ou,we hope,only to put a gen.on the shaft to make juice that we had in the first place.
Were have I gone wrong? I look forward to your advice as always.
happy hunting
peter

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Re: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS
« Reply #108 on: June 09, 2008, 12:05:33 PM »

...I can't help thinking why can't the iron rotor be replaced with a fixed coil and pulse the input,a sort of over unity transformer.
Also,it seems an old idea,like the magnetic boots that you must have seen.
It  seems,to me, strange to do a lot of work to make a motor,all be it ou,we hope,only to put a gen.on the shaft to make juice that we had in the first place.
...Were have I gone wrong? ...

Hi Peter,

Well, my present understanding says if you try to utilize the summed flux of permanent and electromagnets in a fixed coil instead of the iron rotor, then Lenz law surely strikes in for the increased flux the moment you load the coil as usual in case of transformers!  Because then eventually you still have a transformer in which although the input makes more flux change than in a normal transformer but the output current created by this increased flux will reflect back more heavily too, unfortunately.

In case of the iron rotor there is no output coil and the action-reaction though surely occurs in the same way like in case of a normal motor but here the input creates "more bang for the bucks" so there can be more that remains in mechanical torque format in the end of the process.  This is how I see this at present.

One notice to the above "ou" transformer :  if you somehow could store the energy coming out from the output coil in a 'suitable device' and utilize it during the time periode your input pulse is off, then the direct/conventional transformer effect could be reduced and maybe the gain due to flux summation could be maintained... This method was suggested for the case of the MEG (motionless electromagnetic gen of Bearden et al, Naudin) to make it really an ou transformer but I have never come across with any reported results of such output switching solution.
And the solution seems relatively simple: you rectify the output power from the coil and store it in a capacitor and your useful load is connected via a switch to this capacitor in time periodes under which your input pulse is just off: this needs correctly syncronized pulses to control the input and the (electrically otherwise independent) output switch. This is how to do in in theory at least... Maybe the switch should be placed just to the output of one coil end and not after the puffer capacitor, this needs experimenting too. 

By the way, speaking of MEG,  have you heard of the Bulgarian MEG?  I do think it is a definite improvement to the Bearden et al MEG in avoiding the normal transformer operation/drawbacks, see its setup here, it is worth studying!

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4300.0.html     You can start brainstorming... ;) 8)

rgds,  Gyula

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Re: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS
« Reply #109 on: June 09, 2008, 06:05:17 PM »
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HI NIGHTLIFE, EDDY HERE, PLEASE EXCUSE MY IGNORANCE, THE MAGNETIC MOTOR SEEMS TO ME TO BE A VERY SIMPLE DEVICE TO MAKE AND POWER AN ALTERNATOR. THE POWER OUTPUT OF THE MAGNETIC MOTOR WILL SURELY DEPEND ON THE STRENGTH OF THE MAGNETS USED IN THE STATOR AND THE  OFF-SET ANGLE OF THE MAGNETS ON THE ROTOR WHICH GIVE DIRECTION OF ROTATION. THIS IDEA IS NEW TO ME, SO SIMPLE I DON'T KNOW WHY I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT IT BEFORE! THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT BOTHER ME AND THAT IS THE POSSIBLE HEAT CREATED BY THE MAGNETIC FORCES AND THE MOST EFFECIENT ANGLE OF THE MAGNETS ON THE ROTOR FOR OPTIMUM PERFORMENCE. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO POST YET AS I'VE ONLY BEEN REGISTERED FOR ABOUT AN HOUR AND I'M STILL TRYING TO FIGURE IT ALL OUT. YOU CAN 'E' MAIL ME A REPLY I GUESS AS I HAVE AN INBOX. MAYBE I'LL BE LUCKY AND FIND THIS AREA OF THE SITE AGAIN TO CHECK YOUR ANSWER, HE HE!  ANYWAY A REALLY INTERESTING SITE. KIND REGARDS EDDY

Hi eddy, sorry it took so long to get back to you, I just got back home from a long trip.
 
 As for the heat that would be created, I am not really sure but I would think it wouldn't be all that much at least not enough to really hurt the motors performance.

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Re: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS
« Reply #110 on: June 09, 2008, 11:14:54 PM »
Hi Gyula
I read all you suggested with interest,as I always do,I don't know if the Bulgarian "thing" will work,but I do think it's the way to go if you are going to put a gen.on the output of a motor,going to the trouble making the motor,the energy turning it,then it's got to turn the gen.with no doubt lenz effect,better to cut out the "middle man" and go for a meg type thing,if it can be shown to work.
I'm by no means an expert,as you can see from my stupid suggestions,but I feel I agree with EXNIHILOEST,I can't how the input coils don't interact with the output coil,it seems all it needs is the reluctance to be shifted just slightly one side to the other,preferably keeping the two coil separated,can it be that difficult?
Thanks again.
happy hunting
peter

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Re: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS
« Reply #111 on: June 09, 2008, 11:25:36 PM »
Hi Gyula,again
Forgot this bit, you say dump the energy into a cap.for use between pulses,dos the coil not see the cap. as a load?
missed out a word in last post,should be can't SEE-----
peter

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Re: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS
« Reply #112 on: June 10, 2008, 12:29:42 AM »

... if you are going to put a gen.on the output of a motor,going to the trouble making the motor,the energy turning it,then it's got to turn the gen.with no doubt lenz effect,...

Hi Peter,

Yes, I agree, choosing a separate generator for producing electricity is usually not a promising way to go about utilizing an ou motor's torque but there are ready made conventional (three phase) generators with way over 60-70% efficiency and once an ou motor like the Hildebrand one has 3-4 times higher output than a normal motor and drives it, then this can result easily in overunity too.  This is all I meant. Obviously the generator will have the normal operation with Lenz, but its specification includes that.


...I can't see how the input coils don't interact with the output coil,it seems all it needs is the reluctance to be shifted just slightly one side to the other,preferably keeping the two coil separated,can it be that difficult?

Well, if you can correctly time the control of the input and output switches, then the input coil(s) first are on and the output coils are off so that the load cannot reflect back to the input.  Then in the next sequence the input coils are off and the output coi(s) are on thus can see the load.
Yes the output coil also sees the capacitor as a load but it is an exponentially diminishing load, not a continuous one like a bulb for instance and this is a big difference. By the way, to avoid even this smaller than a real load cap charge load during the input coil on time, I wrote in my previous letter to make the output switch act at the coil' wire end and not after the puffer cap if you read it over again.

rgds,  Gyula

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Re: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS
« Reply #113 on: June 10, 2008, 12:28:08 PM »
Hi  Gyula
I'm not sure I understand all you are saying,I will make a sketch and perhaps you can kindly tell me if I've got it right,I doubt it!!
How I think you see it is,in it's very basic form,use 2 "ou" transformers,one for each side of the ac 50hz,when one is on,the other is taking juice from the cap.with of course switching at the right time and place.
Am  I right so far?
happy hunting.
peter

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Re: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS
« Reply #114 on: June 10, 2008, 04:08:30 PM »
Hi Peter,

I did not mean two "ou" transformers but one.  So please do make a rough sketch how you mean, ok?

As I found years ago on the net with connection to the MEG, the principle is this:
The input coil(s) is pulsed normally by either opto trigger or Hall effect switch or by reed switch (if current allowes it).
Whenever the input coil is ON by the input switch, the output switch in series with the output coil is OFF.  Then the switching sequence turns over: the input coil is OFF and during this OFF time the switch at the output is ON and  connects either an AC load to the output coil or in case of a DC load it connects the diodes and the puffer cap to the output coil.  Is this clear now?

I do not claim any ou with this switching principle,  this is good for preventing a load to reflect back to the input, ok?
So if there is circuit or whatever setup which is supposed to produce ou but has no correct input - output separation, then this principle can help.

rgds,  Gyula

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Re: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS
« Reply #115 on: June 10, 2008, 05:23:55 PM »
Hi  Gyula
I don't think I'm understanding even the very basics of this,shame on me!!
How, if the output coil is not connected to the input coil when pulsed,how can anything be taken from the output coil?
That aside,going back to the motor,with an "ou"pulse,how about if instead of a rotor,there is an iron piece being drawn into towards the magnet,and released,which is inturn connected to a magnet moving in a coil,there is no electrical connection between the two coils.
happy hunting
peter

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Re: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS
« Reply #116 on: June 11, 2008, 12:40:16 AM »
Hi Peter,

Sorry.  All I can suggest first try studying the MEG principle which is basically flux steering in a closed soft iron core from one leg/column to the opposite leg/column. See this link: http://jnaudin.free.fr/meg/megdsqth.htm  but do not be overwhelmed by its ou numbers because NOBODY has showed it in practice yet.  Only I mean the principle you can understand.

Now if you got the principle the answer to your first question (How, if the output coil is not connected to the input coil when pulsed,how can anything be taken from the output coil?) is that there is a direct flux connection between the input and output coils, for they are on the SAME core! This is the same flux connection as in a conventional transformer and this is a drawback here and this is where the a correctly timed output switch could separate the EFFECT of the common flux path so that the output load would not reflect back to the input, which otherwise surely does.

you wrote:
That aside,going back to the motor,with an "ou"pulse,how about if instead of a rotor,there is an iron piece being drawn into towards the magnet,and released,which is inturn connected to a magnet moving in a coil,there is no electrical connection between the two coils.

Well I think this sounds a better solution for utilizing the benefit of adding two fluxes together so I suggest going for it,  only practical tests can give correct answers.
Just peep into Steven latest answer on Hildebrand thread, very instructive: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2386.msg103954.html#msg103954

rgds,  Gyula

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Re: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS
« Reply #117 on: June 11, 2008, 03:47:36 PM »
HI GYULA AND FOLKS,
              FIRSTLY THANKS GYULA FOR THE GUIDANCE RE. MY NEW MEMBERSHIP.

              I FIND THE TECHNICAL DETAILS DISCUSSED OUT OF MY DEPTH NOT BEING AN ELECTRICAL ENGINEER BUT I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THERE IS FREE INFORMATION AVAILABLE FROM THE THE SURGE.COM GROUP OF HOW TO BUILD A WORKING MAGNETIC MOTOR,THE ONLY PROBLEM I SEE (IF IT WORKS AS SUGGESTED ) IS THE FUNDING AND PRODUCTION DUE TO THE ECONOMIC CLIMATE AND THE VESTED INTERESTS IN THE CONTROLLING BODIES CONCERNED.
             I WILL BE EAGER TO HEAR OF ANY REPORTS RE. THE MAGNETIC MOTOR DISPLAYED WITH SURGE.COM . IF IT PROVES TO BE FUNCTIONAL IN PRINCIPLE THEN ALL WE NEED IS TO FIND AN ENGINEERING COMPANY WILLING TO TAKE ON THE CONTRACT.
            I HAVE NO INTEREST IN MAKING MONEY FROM THIS TECHNOLOGY, I FEEL THESE FREE ENERGY DEVICES SHOULD BE AVILABLE TO THE WORLD IN GENERAL TO SOLVE AN ENDLESS LIST OF GLOBAL PROBLEMS.
            FINALLY HAS ANYBODY GOT ANY LINKS WITH THE DR.GREER'S DISCLOSURE PROJECT AND THE WEALTH OF INFORMATION AVAILABLE THERE.
            ALL GOOD WISHES FOR OUR SUCCESS, KIND REGARDS EDDY

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Re: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS
« Reply #118 on: June 11, 2008, 04:56:35 PM »
Hi Eddy,

It was nightlife who kindy guided you, not me  but thanks for the kind words anyway.

I cannot seem to find surge.com  could you give a correct link to it?

Thanks,  Gyula

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Re: FREE ENERGY USING MAGNETS
« Reply #119 on: June 11, 2008, 05:37:58 PM »
HI GYULA,
       TROY REED DIED LAST YEAR BUT HIS MAGNETIC MOTOR CAN BE VIEWED ON THE LINK BELOW. DENNIS WEAVER THE ACTOR WAS FUNDING HIS PROJECTS;

       Directory:Surge Motor Technology by Troy Reed - PESWiki ;

        THERE IS NOW A GROUP ATTACHED TO THIS LINK WHO ARE AVAILABLE TO SUPPLY TECHNICAL INFO. THEY ARE UNABLE TO PRODUCE ANY FREE ENERGY DEVICES.

        I HOPE Y'ALL FIND THIS INFO. USEFUL.

        KIND REGARDS EDDY