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Title: For Stefan: About the Bedini Motor/Generator
Post by: Magnethos on May 11, 2008, 08:35:54 PM
About a Bedini Motor/Generator
This topic tries to explain how works a possible (?) free energy device that I show in the next video on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ai7aX6OK5hw

As you know, the bedini motor is a pulsed motor. To understand better my schematics you can see at the next picture:
(http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/6753/imagen1kj2.th.jpg) (http://img158.imageshack.us/my.php?image=imagen1kj2.jpg)

Now, I?m going to show one alternator based in a wind turbine design:
(http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/3691/imagen6br5.th.jpg) (http://img115.imageshack.us/my.php?image=imagen6br5.jpg)

Here you can see some videos of wind turbines:
100 Watt
Homemade DIY Wind generator 100 watts http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNlf54eUBCg
100w 12v wind generator / turbine Alluminium blades http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozpzJO-OPDU
Cheap Simple DIY Wind Turbine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUL0vggLSKI

600 Watt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqdsX5wxhNw&feature=related

1140Watt
Prototype wind turbine (autofurling). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezjHFj6vXkQ

1.5kW
Wind Turbine 1,5 KW http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwU8PX2tw0I

You can find more videos showing from 1 Watt to some KWatt. More Big = More Watt
Note: I only mean the alternator, not the complete wind turbine. I know there are other alternator designs like the car alternator. But I use this because is the perfect one to merge with the bedini motor. The main idea is use the bedini motor to move the alternator instead the wind and the blades that a wind turbine generator uses.


If you merge the bedini motor with the wind turbine alternator, you have this:
(http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/9670/thebedinimotorgeneratords8.th.jpg) (http://img117.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thebedinimotorgeneratords8.jpg)
(http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/6852/imagen11zx1.th.jpg) (http://img126.imageshack.us/my.php?image=imagen11zx1.jpg)

You can run a Bedini motor with some mAmps and some volts. An alternator can put output 100 Watt as minimum. I have seen some guys in videos that says that with a wind turbine you can get 1kW or more.
So, using a medium size Bedini motor, you need some volts and few mAmps to run.

To get more output energy, you can use two stators instead of one:
(http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/3362/imagen12gz6.th.jpg) (http://img395.imageshack.us/my.php?image=imagen12gz6.jpg)

If you want to get a perpetual device, you can run the motor from the first battery while the second battery is charging. When the first battery is discharged, you run the motor from the second battery. The batteries are charged using the energy from the alternator.
(http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/9321/imagen14aq5.th.jpg) (http://img233.imageshack.us/my.php?image=imagen14aq5.jpg)


I have just find a video that seems to show a similar idea that I?m trying to explain. You must to build a much better device if you want to get good results and get an overunity.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qt8nXzPKI0w






Title: Re: For Stefan: About the Bedini Motor/Generator
Post by: hartiberlin on May 11, 2008, 08:54:32 PM
Hi,
thanks for the explanation.
The only problem still is the Lenz law.
If you draw current from the generator coils,
you will drag down the motion of the Bedini wheel
and thus you will not be able to power the Bedini wheel
just with a few milliamps only...

Did you already try this ?

It would only work, if you invent a NO LENZ effect generator.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: For Stefan: About the Bedini Motor/Generator
Post by: Magnethos on May 11, 2008, 09:07:53 PM
I haven?t build the device. But I think that the Bedini motor will run in less than 100 Watt... sure. But I will think about that you say to me. But the only way to prove if the device would work or not, it?s obviously building one device.
Thanks
Title: Re: For Stefan: About the Bedini Motor/Generator
Post by: hartiberlin on May 11, 2008, 09:36:05 PM
Yes, you can run a Bedini wheel
surely in idle mode,
when there is no drag on it, like a flywheel
with less than 1 Watts.
YOu just have to overcome the air friction and
the bearing frictions power losses..

But if you slow it down via the drag from the flowing currents
from an attached generator, you would probably a lot more input power
or it could not take the drag torque and come to a stillstand, when all
the stored flywheel energy is used up...

Just try it...
Title: Re: For Stefan: About the Bedini Motor/Generator
Post by: nightlife on May 11, 2008, 09:52:32 PM
hartiberlin, I have seen some bedini motors use no more amps when a load is applied then they do when no load is applied like in this following video link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3G5r3CSLteY



Title: Re: For Stefan: About the Bedini Motor/Generator
Post by: Ren on May 12, 2008, 11:24:07 AM
Guys listen up. What I believe Stefan is trying to say is that you can turn a coreless (no cogging) alternator/windmill for peanuts but when you try to use the power created by the alternator you are loading the coils of the alternator. Lenz law applies to the generator, but not to the driving force in this instance, it being the monopole. The load will affect the source, which is the alternator, which will in turn affect the monopole.

Before you jump to conclusions I have built Bedini devices, actually Magnethos' video link above has a picture of one of my first builds, used without my permission, :o but I dont really care ;D. Thats what you get when you post stuff on the net :D

So saying, I think the idea has merit. Infact I am actually in the process of building something almost identical in principle. I'll give you a couple of tips which will help if you wish to further this idea.

The first tip is obvious, alternator has to be as frictionless as possible, check out Hugh Piggots axial flux windmill plans for starters.

Second you are going to need alot more power from your monopole or drive motor. Theres a few ways to do this, scale up, multi coils, higher voltage, different configurations etc.... There are plenty of others, but do your homework. The particular config I am working on should provide adequate torque, especially at higher voltages.

Lastly consider this. If the nature of the pulsing on the monopole all but eliminates certain problems otherwise associated with electric motors, then why are you just pulsing on the front end of the motor? Think about it and do some more Bedini homework.......the idea is not without merit, there is just some  factors you need to address/test.

Good luck.
Title: Re: For Stefan: About the Bedini Motor/Generator
Post by: Magnethos on May 12, 2008, 03:23:42 PM
Guys listen up. What I believe Stefan is trying to say is that you can turn a coreless (no cogging) alternator/windmill for peanuts but when you try to use the power created by the alternator you are loading the coils of the alternator. Lenz law applies to the generator, but not to the driving force in this instance, it being the monopole. The load will affect the source, which is the alternator, which will in turn affect the monopole.

Before you jump to conclusions I have built Bedini devices, actually Magnethos' video link above has a picture of one of my first builds, used without my permission, :o but I dont really care ;D. Thats what you get when you post stuff on the net :D

So saying, I think the idea has merit. Infact I am actually in the process of building something almost identical in principle. I'll give you a couple of tips which will help if you wish to further this idea.

The first tip is obvious, alternator has to be as frictionless as possible, check out Hugh Piggots axial flux windmill plans for starters.

Second you are going to need alot more power from your monopole or drive motor. Theres a few ways to do this, scale up, multi coils, higher voltage, different configurations etc.... There are plenty of others, but do your homework. The particular config I am working on should provide adequate torque, especially at higher voltages.

Lastly consider this. If the nature of the pulsing on the monopole all but eliminates certain problems otherwise associated with electric motors, then why are you just pulsing on the front end of the motor? Think about it and do some more Bedini homework.......the idea is not without merit, there is just some  factors you need to address/test.

Good luck.
Sorry for publish your work without your permission  ;)
The video only shows the basic idea. I know that I must to improve some parts to get better results, but I don?t know nothing about electronics and I have never built a device. So... I could need to test some factors because I think that I?m ignoring very important parts. I must to read more and research to see what would happens. But I?m agree with you. I don?t know some important parts.
Title: Re: For Stefan: About the Bedini Motor/Generator
Post by: Ren on May 12, 2008, 10:48:27 PM
lol no apology necessary. Join the monopole forums for more info and start building and complete the load tests. I knew nothing about electronics a year ago, the simple monopole is called the school girl motor for a reason!

Enjoy
Title: Re: For Stefan: About the Bedini Motor/Generator
Post by: dougotio on April 07, 2009, 08:02:34 PM
Hi guys,
What I have been thinking about for a while now is to use centrifugal and fly wheel forces in addition to the Bedini circuit. What I propose doing is to use a 2”x 2” steel bar I have that is 10 ft. long.
The bar weighs about 136 lbs. I plan to put a fairing on the bar to make it as aerodynamic as possible.
I would use the Bedini circuit “drive” coils at the outer ends of the bar (5 ft. from center).
At the center I propose to have a hub that will accommodate a good sized PM turbine to extract power from.

I think that if I had the Bedini “drive” coils at 3 ft. and 5ft. from the hub along with some adroit switching I should see some good results do to the fact that I could drive the “flywheel” and use the coils like a transmission i.e. start with the 5 ft coils and go to the 3 ft coils as the speed came up.

If needed, I could always put another “flywheel bar” diagonal the main one. It would not need to be 10 ft, it could be 6 ft in length. More “drive coils” more power.

The Bedini “drive coils” would just be to turn the “flywheel” as efficiently as possible. They would obviously be driven by and recharge batteries. The main power would be harvested from the PM turbine at the hub.

I even thought that I could put a vertical shaft on it and run it threw the roof of the shop so when the wind did blow I would have a hi-bred device. I am not in a good wind area so wind only would not be efficient.

I will use the spindle of a truck for the hub.

I know it will be a behemoth and cost a few sheckles but I am not getting any younger and I need a project like this to keep me off the streets and out of trouble  ;D


I have the bar already, I have the room in the shop, I have the motivation and I have been reading the forums for quite a while.

What do you think?
Dougotio