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Author Topic: Reciprocating Permanent Magnet Motor Concept  (Read 8594 times)

Offline magnetman12003

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Reciprocating Permanent Magnet Motor Concept
« on: April 20, 2008, 05:25:26 AM »
Please read both attachments and understand them before making a critique. Also note that that I am not presenting this as a working motor.  This is just a concept idea that needs constructive input.  Will it or wont it work?  And Why?  You can post comments here.

Tom  magnetman12003
« Last Edit: April 21, 2008, 07:38:16 PM by magnetman12003 »

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Re: Reciprocating Permanent Magnet Motor Concept
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2008, 06:29:42 AM »
Tom,

Modeled this with Working Model 2d. Logical idea, but will not work because the fields all cancel each other out. especially at TDC. However, one aspect of your concept intrigued me. Will post a playable version of the model ro you when I finish it. Keep the faith!

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Re: Reciprocating Permanent Magnet Motor Concept
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2008, 03:26:40 PM »
Hi Dact,

Looking forward to see the playable model.

The large North poles you see are very far apart from each other so the fields dont cancel each other out. This idea can be spread out with a long crankshaft to.allow that to happen.

Tom

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Re: Reciprocating Permanent Magnet Motor Concept
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2008, 10:58:16 PM »
No magnet motor based on balancing the forces will work. Whether you use shielding or not.
This have been tried over and over in all thinkable combinations over the years.

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Re: Reciprocating Permanent Magnet Motor Concept
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2008, 11:50:28 PM »
This might have some relevance as far as reciprocation, I don't know.  Interesting motor design none the less.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeUwOqMR_w4

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Re: Reciprocating Permanent Magnet Motor Concept
« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2008, 06:57:19 AM »
Freezer,

Youtube reports the video is no longer available, fyi

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Re: Reciprocating Permanent Magnet Motor Concept
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2008, 08:38:29 AM »
No magnet motor based on balancing the forces will work. Whether you use shielding or not.
This have been tried over and over in all thinkable combinations over the years.

Hi,

The aspect of this concept that intrigued me was not the balancing basis, but the reciprocating part. I believe that it is possible to convert a standard gasoline engine to a magnetically driven one, cheaply, as outrageous as that sounds. The advantages to such a conversion are obvious! The world is already clogged with autos, and there is simply no time left to replace them all with a new, designed-from-scratch power source. However, if all that was needed was a fairly inexpensive modification of existing engines, it would save billions in precious resources, such as iron, and could eliminate fossil fuel consumption in the land and water transportation and power systems. But time-to-implement would be the biggest savings.

Your obvious question is how? I am working on a model right now, and in the next few days will post it here. Hint: The answer, of course, when it  comes to magnets, is how to overcome all the limitations of previous designs, and the answer is initial power to start the process. We already have it in common use today.

I have been following your posts for a while now, and respect your insight greatly. Hopefully, you will please take a serious look at my proposal.

Until then,

Respectively,

Dact

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Re: Reciprocating Permanent Magnet Motor Concept
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2008, 10:02:55 AM »
Freezer,

Youtube reports the video is no longer available, fyi

Dact

Hi, 

The same link works again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeUwOqMR_w4

I think it is a clever design,  with friction minimized to the reciprocating shaft's bearings which can be very small and the air resistance, that is all.
It would be very interesting to learn how loading the output coils would affect the power consumption of the 3V DC input motor and actually how the power output compares to the input.

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Re: Reciprocating Permanent Magnet Motor Concept
« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2008, 11:33:00 AM »
 
This generator, will generate certainly no Overunity, as long as the video does not show that it can also work without batterien, perhaps only with condensers (to the production of a smooth direct current (DC). For the "start" :  condensers and battery can be surely in parallel connected, however, must go after starting, without battery on condenser. Only this way "I "can believe Video-Demonstarzion as an Over-Unity
This ,like Bedini,  work insted an freerunnig wheel, with the mechanical resonace of an "vibrator",
that will pushed (unsynchron) from an small DC Motor . (last is an bad constructed solution)
Gustav Pese
« Last Edit: May 11, 2008, 10:12:41 PM by pese »

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Re: Reciprocating Permanent Magnet Motor Concept
« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2008, 09:23:29 PM »
gyulasun, there is no way that motor in the video will produce more then it uses with the power source that is being used. It may work using a bedini type motor and that would be very interesting to see what the results are.
 
 The more I think about it, the more I find wrong with it. It is a interesting design.

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Re: Reciprocating Permanent Magnet Motor Concept
« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2008, 10:06:02 PM »
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