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Author Topic: Archer Quinn takes his ball and leaves the playing field  (Read 11837 times)

Offline jratcliff

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Archer Quinn takes his ball and leaves the playing field
« on: May 09, 2008, 03:22:04 PM »
Well, it appears that the brief saga of Archer Quinn is now over.  After a series of ever more incoherent posts on this forum, and his website, he has decided to call it quits. 

It was certainly an interesting exercise in sociology and I think the 'roll on' thread, is likely to live on in infamy for some time to come.

In some respects it is surprising that this story got as much play is it did.  I believe it is because of the way Archer Quinn played/interacted with his audience that provided most of the entertainment value, that and the seductive promise of open source FE for all on a specific time and date.

As a bit of a debrief of the whole affair I had the following observations.

(1) Archer Quinn never provided anything but 'claims'.  No videos, no photographs, no blue-prints, sketches, and not a single coherent explanation of an alleged complete and working device. The only thing he did offer was 'free energy for all' in a completely open source fashion.  This promise holds at its core the essence of the divine allure of the FE Holy Grail quest and for this reason alone it attracted OU readers like moths to a flame or, in this case, flies to a bug-zapper.

(2) Archer Quinn presented himself as a very strong personality.  Having never met a spell-checker he couldn't ignore, his posts were highly emotional, full of bitterness and attacks on Isaac Newton; as if Sir Isaac had at some point in the past done something to deeply personally insult Mr. Quinn.  In fact the open anger, bitterness, bile, and spurious attacks on Newton were bizarre to witness as they unfolded.  His use of profanity, and inability to communicate in anything approximating a coherent fashion, added some spicy Cajun sauce to this over-unity gumbo.  In point of fact the poor grammar, atrocious spelling, foul language, incoherency, and generally bizarre nature of Mr. Quinn's communications seem to have created the tipping point in this unbalanced wheel of hype, promises, and inanity..

(3) Patient builders such as Clazner were quite happy to try to replicate whatever device Mr. Quinn had to offer but even Clazner's patience wore out in the face of an onslaught of verbal diarrhea spewing from Quinn's rambling and incoherent 'explanations' of  a device that, to be frank, didn't seem particularly different than any one of hundreds of other gravity wheelesque designs which have failed throughout history.

Is this story really over?  Probably not.  To date every time Archer has posted an announcement that he wouldn't do this or that anymore, he has come back to join the fray. 

I hope that Mr. Quinn learns something from this exercise.

(1) Stop wasting your time and energy attacking Newton, or anyone else.   It is pointless and a distraction from whatever it is you have to offer in terms of a working device.

(2) Stay on message and limit your commentary to the device itself.  Yeah, yeah, we all hate that oil prices are high and, yeah, yeah, we all want to shove it up skeptics ass if/when any OU device were ever to come to light.  Nevertheless, the focus is, in fact, on producing such a device.

(3) This one may be the most difficult of all, but show a little bit of humility.  Acknowledge that it is reasonable for those trying to understand what you are saying to be skeptical or to question the claims that you make.

(4) Just because you personally think/believe your device works, don't assume anyone else is going to accept, as fact, what amounts to nothing more than your unsupported claims.  The only proof is in replication.  The only real proof is in mass-produced replication (i.e. anyone can purchase an OU replicated device for $29.95 and submit it as their science fair project).  To accomplish this goal takes time, patience, and a lot more than you have offered to date.  It takes pictures, videos, sketches, diagrams, blue-prints, and coherent explanations. 

As usual, the 'Holy Grail' of FE is back up for grabs.  Let me know when I can buy a device, I have $29.95 burning a hole in my pocket as we speak.

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« Last Edit: May 09, 2008, 03:42:19 PM by jratcliff »

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Offline Feynman

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Re: Archer Quinn takes his ball and leaves the playing field
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2008, 04:52:06 PM »
hahahahhah flies to a bug zappper ahahhahaha

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Re: Archer Quinn takes his ball and leaves the playing field
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2008, 09:18:30 PM »
When I saw the archer quinn announcement, my first thought was not "Oh great, finally someone is releasing" No, there are already numerous devices being spread around, each of which shows potential in one way or another. My first thought was "Ill bet this is a speed bump, to try and dissuade others from completing their projects".

So I ignored the quinn announcement, and continued doing what I am doing. Do not let any persons announcements stop you from doing your work. You are the future, not them.


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Re: Archer Quinn takes his ball and leaves the playing field
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2008, 10:29:02 PM »
i love it how so far it seems like %100 of the people who seem to have a god complex end up saying we are not ready for *it* blah blah, as usual its all turned out to be a joke on us the people, well i guess if were not ready for it, well have to settle for being robbed and raped still by the power Co , tyvm Mr Q....for showing us the Quiters Wheel..oh and you made a fantastic drama Queen as well :)., enjoy ya day.

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Re: Archer Quinn takes his ball and leaves the playing field
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2008, 11:06:26 PM »
Quinn acted like an agent of a big energy company, it's as if he purposely tried to make alt.energy sound CRAZY!

However, if he was the inventor of that thermal accelerator venturi feedback device as he claims then he does deserve some credit.

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Re: Archer Quinn takes his ball and leaves the playing field
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2008, 11:33:15 PM »
Naaah .. Archer Quinn aka kevin thomas just discovered for himself the ...


First Law of FE Reasearch.

[... this way you are guaranteed that people will actually build your device rather than just discuss it merits].

Claim to have made a successful working device [but destroyed it etc] - give vague details [important to not give specific detail that might trap you later] - claim it breaks or circumvents some known laws of physics - get people replicating your device & asking lots of questions - hold out on drawings & answers - abuse the sceptics who question the science [this is necessary] - feign rage & indignation - claim everyone is a moron & spit the dummy - quickly disappear into the eather taking your toys - hope someone else can actually finish a replication attempt by themselves & nut out the last 10% that will get it to work [the bit you can't figure out] - when one is pronounced to actually work step back into the limelight congratulating them as the second person in history to have achieved it after you.

A SO predictable & unfortunately common story - human nature at its finest - integrity zero.
« Last Edit: May 10, 2008, 12:01:30 AM by fletcher »

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Re: Archer Quinn takes his ball and leaves the playing field
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2008, 05:21:09 PM »
Well...I just have to say...I hope you guys are pleased with yourselves by finding all the faults within Mr. Quinn. You've successfully pointed out all of his apparent weaknesses. Spelling, language, general communication skills.
So if you guys are so good at finding weaknesses, why haven't you spent your energy on finding weaknesses in the methods of producing energy?
Don't we look for different avenues of positive energy production and research? Focus on the strengths and avoid the weaknesses right?
So, how does your morally superior stance on communication skills help the energy problem?
How did it help Mr. Quinn? Did you focus on his strengths? Or did you just want to make yourselves right since he's so easy to make wrong with his bad grammar and all?
He is a little incoherent. Did anybody make an honest effort to help eliminate the communication gaps? Or did you just widen them farther? Did anyone help, or did we all just act like douchebags to "purge the idiot from our presence"?

I'm just asking rhetorically of course. Something to think about...for all the people who say they want to help, some have a funny way of showing it. I have navigated through Quinn's "ramblings" and have found some very interesting perspectives on various experiments that I haven't heard before. So...keep knocking the people who are making their best effort to contribute, and see where it gets us all.

Oh yeah...way to go again Stefan by letting your "contributors" run off someone else again. Good job. Way to keep up the moral in the community...attack anyone who knocks on the gates...Thanks for that contribution ... douche bags.

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Re: Archer Quinn takes his ball and leaves the playing field
« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2008, 05:45:43 PM »
Quinn acted like an agent of a big energy company, it's as if he purposely tried to make alt.energy sound CRAZY!

However, if he was the inventor of that thermal accelerator venturi feedback device as he claims then he does deserve some credit.

Ever see the Newman video? He has a mullet and a silk shirt showing his chest hair, and his EV is a pickup truck.

Agent of a big energy company.......? Suspicious to say the least!


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Re: Archer Quinn takes his ball and leaves the playing field
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2008, 07:29:31 PM »
Konduct wrote the following:

>>Well...I just have to say...I hope you guys are pleased with yourselves by finding all the faults within Mr. Quinn.

Yes, I am pleased, thanks for noticing.

>>You've successfully pointed out all of his apparent weaknesses. Spelling, language, general communication skills.

I am impressed at your skills of observation in recognizing and acknowledging my skills of observation.
 
>>So if you guys are so good at finding weaknesses, why haven't you spent your energy on finding weaknesses in the methods of producing energy?

Finding weaknesses in fraudulent claims of OU proponents is, in fact, spending energy in an effort to find methods of producing energy.  It takes a lot of hard work, critical thinking skills, time and patience to read and follow these threads and ultimately reach conclusions about the efficacy surrounding the proposals presented by various FE proponents.

As you may, or may not, be aware free-energy, or over-unity if you will, is not generally considered to be 'possible'.  Over the course of centuries of effort there has not yet been one single easily reproducible and demonstrable technology,machine, device, or invention in all of that time.  Universally all attempts at replication of every patent, drawing, sketch, explanation, or video has resulted in a complete and utter failure.  In fact the only thing that keeps the dream of an over-unity device alive is the mythology surrounding it.  In fact, the only tangible 'thing' you can point to in FE is the mythology that has evolved around the various proponents of these devices which ingloriously fail to work.

Yes, it takes a lot of energy to wade through the piles of crap and nonsense which is peddled in these forums.  And, God bless the patient souls like Clanzer who actually takes the time and trouble to *build* these devices.  In my own case, in addition to monitoring the evolving myth surrounding these claims, I have made clear that I will be the first to purchase a working device once it becomes available at Walmart for $29.95.

If that's not commitment I don't know what is.  Sometimes I think the largest part of the market for neodymium magnets in the world is comprised of 'free-energy' researchers.

>>Don't we look for different avenues of positive energy production and research?

Yes, we do.

>>Focus on the strengths and avoid the weaknesses right?

Yes, we do.  Did you happen to notice that Archer Quinn has some 'weaknesses'?

>>So, how does your morally superior stance on communication skills help the energy problem?

It helps weed the wheat from the chaff.  It applies logic, reason, and critical thinking skills when evaluating claims of the improbable; if not the impossible.  Logic dictates that if hobbiests and inventors have been tinkering with gravity wheels and magnet motors for centuries and, in all of that time, not a single person has ever been able to produce an easily replicable device, then it is rather dubious to accept the claims of someone like Archer Quinn at face value.  Look at Clanzer on these forums as an example.  He doesn't curse.  He doesn't rant and rave.   All he does it build intersting gizmos and post the videos, blue-prints, sketches, drawings, and explanations online for everyone to see and share.  The first time Clanzer reproduces an OU effect you know that many people here will take it seriously because he has earned that right through his dedicated efforts.

Let us all say it together, "I know Clazner, Clazner is a friend of mine, and let me assure you that Archer Quinn (not even his real name) is no Clazner."

>>How did it help Mr. Quinn?

I am hoping that it helped him towards a moment of introspection and reflection.  I am hoping that it helped him realize some of the mistakes he has made in communicating his ideas, and given him some direction on how he might improve int he future.  I am here only to help because, from where I am standing, Archer Quinn definitely could benefit from some professional help.

>>Did you focus on his strengths?

Yes.  Please read previous posts on this forum where I praised him for his open-source attitude and willingness to engage the community directly.  Of course, this was before he developed a penchant for cursing everyone out and calling Sir Isaac Newton, or anyone who has learned from him, a fool.

Let's take a case in point.

Here is a link to Archer Quinn's website where he explains basic physics.  It is entitled 'Physics 102'.  http://www.surphzup.com/gpage.html

Now, compare and contrast, here is a link to Principia Mathematica by Sir Isaac Newton.  http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/pageviewer-idx?c=umhistmath;cc=umhistmath;rgn=full%20text;idno=AAT3201.0001.001;didno=AAT3201.0001.001;view=pdf;seq=00000023

Now, I want to be fair and all, but I have to be honest that when I read these two side by side, I have to wonder which one of the two is really the idiotic fool that Sir Archer Quinn claims?  (I decided I could give Archer Quinn an imaginary Knighthood since that isn't his real name anyway.)

>> Or did you just want to make yourselves right since he's so easy to make wrong with his bad grammar and all?

I am sorry to say this but I do believe that it is fair to asses the relative intelligence of an individual by how they write.  When someone appears to be a barely functioning semi-illiterate foul mouthed buffoon in their online discourse then I think it is fair to judge the rest of the claims they make against that impression.  So, you are saying that if someone is unable to express themselves in a way that demonstrates even a high-school education that I should take them seriously when they attack Isaac Newton as a fool and an idiot?  When did I enter bizarro land and how do I get out?

>>He is a little incoherent.

You are too kind.

>> Did anybody make an honest effort to help eliminate the communication gaps?

Yes, several forum member had private email conversations with Archer and even made an effort to correct his horrific spelling and grammar when they cross posted his commentary online.  Far greater an effort than I would ever make, so kudos to those brave members of our tiny community.

>>Or did you just widen them farther?

I too privately emailed Sir Archer Quinn with personal advice in an effort to shorten the communication gap.  Unfortunately it appears that the sincere efforts of our forum members were unable to make a dent in the opinion of Mr. Quinn.

>> Did anyone help, or did we all just act like douchebags to "purge the idiot from our presence"?

Many people helped.  He purged himself in a furious flame-out of unprovoked profanity and misplaced anger.


>>I'm just asking rhetorically of course.

Uh-oh.  So all of this was rhetorical questioning?  Pardon me for answering anyway.

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« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2008, 09:07:58 PM »
***Yes, I am pleased, thanks for noticing.
~~ Is this evolving into another "Be a Bigger Dummy" game? An obviously sarcastic question with an equally sarcastic answer. Interesting.

***I am impressed at your skills of observation in recognizing and acknowledging my skills of observation.
~~ Helen Keller could have made those observations. I wouldn't include it on my resume.

***Finding weaknesses in fraudulent claims of OU proponents is, in fact, spending energy in an effort to find methods of producing energy.  It takes a lot of hard work, critical thinking skills, time and patience to read and follow these threads and ultimately reach conclusions about the efficacy surrounding the proposals presented by various FE proponents.
~~ And who exactly is truly qualified to do this job? Who really knows every truth there is? Conclusions? Was there any significant experimental investigation done or just theoretical observation based on what you couldn't even decipher from this so called mad man?

***As you may, or may not, be aware free-energy, or over-unity if you will, is not generally considered to be 'possible'.  Over the course of centuries of effort there has not yet been one single easily reproducible and demonstrable technology,machine, device, or invention in all of that time.  Universally all attempts at replication of every patent, drawing, sketch, explanation, or video has resulted in a complete and utter failure.  In fact the only thing that keeps the dream of an over-unity device alive is the mythology surrounding it.  In fact, the only tangible 'thing' you can point to in FE is the mythology that has evolved around the various proponents of these devices which ingloriously fail to work.

***Yes, it takes a lot of energy to wade through the piles of crap and nonsense which is peddled in these forums.  And, God bless the patient souls like Clanzer who actually takes the time and trouble to *build* these devices.  In my own case, in addition to monitoring the evolving myth surrounding these claims, I have made clear that I will be the first to purchase a working device once it becomes available at Walmart for $29.95.
~~ Yeah...you and the rest of the non productive sheep all want one from Walmart. To hell with how it may actually work right? Interesting.

***If that's not commitment I don't know what is.  Sometimes I think the largest part of the market for neodymium magnets in the world is comprised of 'free-energy' researchers.
~~ No, you probably don't know.

***Yes, we do.
***Yes, we do.  Did you happen to notice that Archer Quinn has some 'weaknesses'?
~~ Yeah ... so did Ms. Keller

***It helps weed the wheat from the chaff.  It applies logic, reason, and critical thinking skills when evaluating claims of the improbable; if not the impossible.  Logic dictates that if hobbiests and inventors have been tinkering with gravity wheels and magnet motors for centuries and, in all of that time, not a single person has ever been able to produce an easily replicable device, then it is rather dubious to accept the claims of someone like Archer Quinn at face value.  Look at Clanzer on these forums as an example.  He doesn't curse.  He doesn't rant and rave.   All he does it build intersting gizmos and post the videos, blue-prints, sketches, drawings, and explanations online for everyone to see and share.  The first time Clanzer reproduces an OU effect you know that many people here will take it seriously because he has earned that right through his dedicated efforts.

***Let us all say it together, "I know Clazner, Clazner is a friend of mine, and let me assure you that Archer Quinn (not even his real name) is no Clazner."
~~ Here we find a common ground and or logic. Clanzer is able to operate with integrity, class, and objectiveness beyond anyone I know including myself. I highly respect him for the simple fact that he is a builder...he gets his hands dirty...as do I. That is dedication. I may be the crude version of Clanzer since I try and accomplish the same goals, however I lack some of the wisdom that helps maintain a more civilized tone.  Or maybe I just choose my own tone based on my own free will. And maybe, just maybe, Archer Quinn could be a very crude version of a Neo Newtonian...maybe?

***I am hoping that it helped him towards a moment of introspection and reflection.  I am hoping that it helped him realize some of the mistakes he has made in communicating his ideas, and given him some direction on how he might improve int he future.  I am here only to help because, from where I am standing, Archer Quinn definitely could benefit from some professional help.
~~ His problems don't effect me other than needing simple solutions to suit the pupose.

***Yes.  Please read previous posts on this forum where I praised him for his open-source attitude and willingness to engage the community directly.  Of course, this was before he developed a penchant for cursing everyone out and calling Sir Isaac Newton, or anyone who has learned from him, a fool.
~~ Would that praise be appreciated at this point with regard to the context of this thread?

***Let's take a case in point.
***Here is a link to Archer Quinn's website where he explains basic physics.  It is entitled 'Physics 102'.  http://www.surphzup.com/gpage.html
***Now, compare and contrast, here is a link to Principia Mathematica by Sir Isaac Newton.  http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/pageviewer-idx?c=umhistmath;cc=umhistmath;rgn=full%20text;idno=AAT3201.0001.001;didno=AAT3201.0001.001;view=pdf;seq=00000023
~~ No comment.

***Now, I want to be fair and all, but I have to be honest that when I read these two side by side, I have to wonder which one of the two is really the idiotic fool that Sir Archer Quinn claims?  (I decided I could give Archer Quinn an imaginary Knighthood since that isn't his real name anyway.)
***I am sorry to say this but I do believe that it is fair to asses the relative intelligence of an individual by how they write.  One someone appears to be a barely functioning semi-illiterate foul mouthed buffoon in their online discourse then I think it is fair to just the rest of the claims they make against it.
~~ No comment.
***You are too kind.
***Yes, several forum member had private email conversations with Archer and even made an effort to correct his horrific spelling and grammar when they cross posted his commentary online.  Far greater an effort than I would ever make, so kudos to those brave members of our tiny community.
***I too privately emailed Sir Archer Quinn with personal advice in an effort to shorten the communication gap.  Unfortunately it appears that the sincere efforts of our forum members were unable to make a dent in the opinion of Mr. Quinn.
~~ No comment.
***Many people helped.  He purged himself in a furious flame-out of unprovoked profanity and misplaced anger.
~~ Anger that was, in my opinion, resulting from the presence of excess criticism and or overly condescending remarks
***Uh-oh.  So all of this was rhetorical questioning?  Pardon me for answering anyway.
~~ Yes it was...again, something Ms. Keller would have noticed. Pardon my reciprocal sarcasm.

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Re: Archer Quinn takes his ball and leaves the playing field
« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2008, 09:48:26 PM »
Mad as a bag of badgers

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« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2008, 10:02:23 PM »
Konduct let the disproving of something be carried out in a seperate thread.

At least they are going about it in a proper manner....

Disproving or debunking is a fact of life and an important part as well sly tounges are everywhere.

I believe they are doing this proper and for every  thread there should be a thread of debunking kept seperate from the discussion of the device and how it works....

Where things go bad is when you mix the positive and negative all in one thread it results in nothing but a negative thread!

I think this should be the format we should follow ...

One thread about the aspects of the device and one thread on debunking then that way people can choose weather or not they want to participate in debunking or participate in development.

I am all for this seperate thread kudos to the thread starter.

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« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2008, 10:31:46 PM »


@ g4macdad etal:


Did you know that Obama's wife is a member of the super secret slimy group meeting in secret to make Canada Mexico and the USA into one country under the same rule/dictatorship.

Due your due diligence.

No politician involved in party politics (gangs of criminals and users) can offer you anything other than what we are currently getting.

And that includes the apparently pristene Ron Paul...who presence in this "process" is solely to make people think a party politico can provide honest reprezsentation.

Jack Kennedy tried that...once.

They are all owned...bought, sold, and paid for by big business interests.

The best thing you can do is refuse to participate in your own deception and ultimate destruction.

Regards...

 

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@ g4macdad etal:


Did you know that Obama's wife is a member of the super secret slimy group meeting in secret to make Canada Mexico and the USA into one country under the same rule/dictatorship.

Due your due diligence.

No politician involved in party politics (gangs of criminals and users) can offer you anything other than what we are currently getting.

And that includes the apparently pristene Ron Paul...who presence in this "process" is solely to make people think a party politico can provide honest reprezsentation.

Jack Kennedy tried that...once.

They are all owned...bought, sold, and paid for by big business interests.

The best thing you can do is refuse to participate in your own deception and ultimate destruction.

Regards...

 


LOL That is exactly how Bush got into office. They tell you the "system" is corrupt beyond our power, so why vote at all? Then they rush out and vote and win!

I will vote!

People who vote Republican or, don't vote at all, are our real problem, Not Our Government.

P.S. this is not a politics forum.

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« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2008, 01:21:25 AM »
obama = bush , :P

 

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