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Author Topic: My first H2O splitting experiment  (Read 11237 times)

gast

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My first H2O splitting experiment
« on: September 01, 2005, 10:53:30 AM »
After complete my selfmade square-wave generator (pulsing DC, max. 30V/48W/f=approx. 100Hz - 20KHz/duty cycle adj. approx. 35-65%) and doing some other experiements with selfmade transformers I tried to set up an H2O-splitting experiment.

I used a powerful 9V battery from an cordless screwdriver and 2 zinc coated metalplates (nothing different was available).
The plates had a distance of ca. 4mm. I used tap-water with a little pinch of cooking salt (nothing different was available :-) ).

I started the generator and test it on several frequencies. The max. ampere consumption was about 300-500 mA depending on the frequency.

But whatever frequency I used, the splitting activity was not better than a pure DC-electrolyses (tested by connecting the battery directly to the plates).
On some frequencies the splitting activity was lower than a DC-electrolyses, but never better.

What's wrong? Do I need more Voltage? (I tested this setup with another battery with 18V (also from an screwdriver), but same result. Okay, altogether more bubbles, but also in plain DC-mode more bubbles. :-( )

Thanks for your hints.

Bye, Gast
« Last Edit: September 01, 2005, 02:33:37 PM by Gast »

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My first H2O splitting experiment
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Re: My first H2O splitting experiment
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2005, 04:20:13 PM »
Yes, you must use staircase waves for better efficiencies !

gast

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Re: My first H2O splitting experiment
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2005, 04:33:51 PM »
staircase waves?

You mean something like this?

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What amount of voltage I need for a good result?

Hmm, do you have any suggestion for a proper circuit?

Regards, Gast

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Re: My first H2O splitting experiment
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2005, 04:33:51 PM »
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Re: My first H2O splitting experiment
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2005, 04:57:31 PM »
Yes, this type of waves or direct a bigger step after the othe and no 0 volts between..
Inverters have this type of waveforms.Just rectify an inverters output with a graetz bridge..

Try around 700? Hz or double, so around 1500 to 1500 Hz.
A guy named Bob has tried it on the oupower.com forum and had success..

Try with higher amplitude voltages like 120 Volts or so..
Regards, Stefan.

gast

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Re: My first H2O splitting experiment
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2005, 05:29:41 PM »
Stefan, thanks for the infos.

But to go for sure (I don't know the voltage curve of an inverter in the moment  ;)):

I think you mean this a) or maybe this b)

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b)    /\          /\
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Re: My first H2O splitting experiment
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2005, 05:29:41 PM »
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Re: My first H2O splitting experiment
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2005, 05:52:14 PM »
Another possibility for generating the wave form is to use a program like Goldwave (http://www.goldwave.com/). There you can design your own wave forms using mathematical expressions. That?s very good for experimenting. The frequency and max. output voltage will be limited by the soundcard of your computer. (usually ~ 20kHz / 2V). But increasing the voltage isn?t a problem. There are many amplifier circuits that can be used for this.

I?m not sure if using special wave forms for water electrolysis can lead to overunity.....Stanley Meier used also special geometry and there are a lot of people, even Gene Mallove how claimed he was a fraud.

Good luck, anyway.

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Re: My first H2O splitting experiment
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2005, 05:54:20 PM »
Stefan, thanks for the infos.

But to go for sure (I don't know the voltage curve of an inverter in the moment? ;)):

I think you mean this a) or maybe this b)

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No, I mean a stepwave ! Like going up in steps ! Like a sawtooth, but in steps stepping up the ramp !

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: My first H2O splitting experiment
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2005, 05:54:20 PM »
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gast

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Re: My first H2O splitting experiment
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2005, 06:06:38 PM »
@ Stefan: Okay, I think I got you now...

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@Markus: Using an audio editor for creating the wave is a good idea.

But I think this experiment requires a good monitoring of the waveform. But unfortunately I don't own an oszi.

Markus

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Re: My first H2O splitting experiment
« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2005, 07:00:09 PM »
I suggest you buy an oscilloscope. You can find them used and cheap on ebay.

Before you do experimental research you should have the needed equipment.

You will also need it to calculate the efficiency of your electrolysis.

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Re: My first H2O splitting experiment
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Re: My first H2O splitting experiment
« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2005, 07:46:17 PM »
@Gast
yes, this is now the right waveform.
Try to get a scope first.
Regards, Stefan.

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« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2005, 03:36:08 AM »
Hi all,

From Toronto, Canada a video of a motor that runs on hydrogen.

Joe

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Re: My first H2O splitting experiment
« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2005, 03:37:29 AM »
Well, i still have a problem with the attachement.

Stefan, i will send you the video so you can post it by yourself.

Regards  Joe


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Re: My first H2O splitting experiment
« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2005, 10:38:42 PM »
Try to get a scope first.

Yes, I think it is essential. ... I have to save a bit money the next time.

Markus (formerly "Gast")

btw: @stefan: did you receive my videos from my experiment with the toroid coils?

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Re: My first H2O splitting experiment
« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2006, 05:45:00 AM »
Hello{ if you really want to get overunity in hydrolysis look at the desulphator site . there has been a lot of work there . You need to change a few things in the oscillator circuit to get 4hz , 11hz and 21 Hz  with a good PMW circuit and the use of toroids you will get good production and using 24 volts you should have low amps and higher wattage. the basic stamp will let you control the magnets Fields to regulate the production of gas to temperature control of the water and plates. the pbasic controller regulates the output of the FETs in the circuit so as not to over drive them ... happy experimenting

 

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