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Offline Dbowling

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #390 on: June 07, 2016, 06:31:38 AM »
The important thing about Skywatcher's thread and post that I wanted folks to understand is that you can run an inverter between the positives and NOT just a motor or a light bulb. He put together a system using what he had. IT IS FAR FROM THE BEST that you could put together, but running an inverter in this position is important. WHY? Because it allows you to run AC loads on the potential difference of a DC system. You can run at LEAST a 100 watt load off that inverter while the energy that is going through the inverter is 12 volts at HOW MANY AMPS????  Plus all that energy that went through the inverter ended up in the lower batteries rather than expended. Doesn't anybody realize how important that is?????

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #391 on: June 07, 2016, 08:01:20 AM »
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You can run at LEAST a 100 watt load off that inverter while the energy that is
going through the inverter is 12 volts at HOW MANY AMPS? ???   Plus all that
energy that went through the inverter ended up in the lower batteries rather
than expended. Doesn't anybody realize how important that is? ??? ?

Hmmmm.  Not everyone will agree with your statement about "all that energy."

While it is true that the inverter and the lower battery receive the same level
of current flow
each will individually account for some portion of the total energy.
The inverter input plus the lower battery input will in sum equal the total.

In a series circuit each component has its own energy consumption/dissipation.  No?

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #392 on: June 07, 2016, 10:22:30 AM »
If I understand you, you are asking if the energy that "left" the two batteries in series is equal to the energy that went through the inverter PLUS the energy that ended up in the lower battery because the inverter and the lower battery are wired in series. Am I correct that this is your question? If so, the answer is "No". When you run the energy through the inverter and into battery three, the same energy gets used twice. Yes, there are losses in the wire from heat (friction) but essentially you get the same amount of energy in battery 3 that "left" the two primaries in series, and you ran the load for free. Here is a video I made to trying show what I am talking about. By the way, the measurements I took on this video were after the batteries had rested for two hours after running them so that voltages could "settle out" . The charged batteries always go DOWN after having rested for a while and the primaries always climb back up a little after resting for a while.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nD7a4bPS4o8


Let me be VERY, VERY clear. This circuit is NOT the final solution. Matt's motor is NOT the final solution. Matt's motor run on this circuit is NOT the final solution. Adding the boost circuit is NOT the final solution. You need ALL these things and more.You need the switching to rotate the batteries through the five different positions when battery 3 is charged up. You need five GOOD STRONG fully charged batteries that are not old and worn out. Each one will move through these five positions in this order. 1. Position One (as Battery one of the two in series)2. Position two (as battery 2 of the two in series)3. Resting Because it has been DISCHARGED in BOTH the previous positions)4. Position three (in parallel with one and two, charging)5. RestingYou need a generator run by the motor that can put out power so you can ADD a little power back into the system when it is needed. Nothing lasts forever, and cold and heat are the ENEMIES of batteries. The efficiency on this system will go up and down with the heat and cold. Without a generator to contribute a little extra when you need it, this will eventually come to a screeching halt. Without a generator run by the motor, you have NOTHING here that is going to get you what you want. It is the efficiency of all these things working together that get you the grand slam. But any decent generator is going to give you COP>3 or MORE if all these things are in place. It just IS. I have built it. It works. Getting all of this to work is NOT rocket science. We have provided MORE than enough information. But getting it to work is only the beginning. Then you need to figure out how to apply these principles to the construction of more advanced devices. That's where we are now, and we aren't posting that information. Maybe in a few months. People still won't accept THIS so why on earth would we share MORE.

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #393 on: June 07, 2016, 11:13:04 AM »
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If I understand you, you are asking if the energy that "left" the two batteries in series is equal to the energy that went through the inverter PLUS the energy that ended up in the lower battery because the inverter and the lower battery are wired in series. Am I correct that this is your question? If so, the answer is "No".

The correct answer is--the energy provided by the two batteries in series,is equal to the energy consumed by both the inverter and the 3rd battery.

 
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When you run the energy through the inverter and into battery three, the same energy gets used twice.

No,that is incorrect.
If the two batteries in series are outputting say 100 watts,and your inverter is consuming say 60 watts,then the remaining 40 watts is being delivered to the 3rd battery.

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Yes, there are losses in the wire from heat (friction) but essentially you get the same amount of energy in battery 3 that "left" the two primaries in series, and you ran the load for free.

No,as stated above,battery 3 only receives the remaining energy that the inverter did not dissipate.
The load was not run for free.
Your mistake is failing to account for the voltage drop across the inverter,which would be around 12.5 to 13.4 volts. The current flowing through the inverter and battery 3 will be the same,but the voltage across each will be close to half of the supply voltage-->many people make this mistake.

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Here is a video I made to trying show what I am talking about. By the way, the measurements I took on this video were after the batteries had rested for two hours after running them so that voltages could "settle out" . The charged batteries always go DOWN after having rested for a while and the primaries always climb back up a little after resting for a while.

That is correct,but voltage across a battery is not a measure of the remaining energy capacity of the battery.
This is another mistake people make,when dealing with batteries. The only way to calculate the remaining energy in the batteries,is by way of a pacific gravity test.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qL6HR6vrbY

Before encouraging people to spend there time and money on this project,i would suggest you take the time to make more accurate power measurements,and actual energy consumption values from your series supply batteries,as simply reading the battery voltages before and after a test run,will not tell you how much of the stored energy was used from your supply batteries,nor how much was delivered and stored by your receiving battery.
The Bedini fans fall for this very same mistake-over and over.


Brad

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #394 on: June 07, 2016, 04:34:42 PM »
Brad,
You ask a question and when I answer it, you tell me I am wrong.
This is why I will no longer waste my time coming here.
You did not want my answer. All you wanted was an opportunity to tell me I am wrong.
Well, you got it, but after today you won't get any more chances.
I will not waste my time arguing with someone who has a closed mind because of what they "believe" and will not take the time to build the system and do the PROPER testing you are so committed to but have obviously NOT done.


I have spent 8 years of my life working with potential differences.
I have spent thousands of dollars and run thousands of tests.
I have ruined a hundred batteries running batteries in circuits that did not provide enough energy across the potential to properly charge the low side. Many of those are in my "dead battery bank", but some have been turned in for core charges.
I have paid for lab time at the university to use their battery analyzer to do controlled measurements of inputs and outputs. Tests that are far more accurate than a "pacific gravity" test. And by the way, it is a "SPECIFIC" gravity test, not "pacific". I have done that too. Have YOU? I didn't think so.
I know what I know.
 
Have you actually built this circuit and put a scope on it? Because when you tune the boost module, you can select the voltage that hits the battery on the other side of the load and it is hit with 14.5 volts. Period. The motor will actually put out 14.5 out the other side, or MORE,  WITHOUT a boost converter in the mix because it acts as a generator at the same time it is running as a motor, and run between the potentials that generated voltage comes out in a way that does NOT happen in a normal situation. But that is ANOTHER issue. What the boost module does is maintain the voltage at 14.5 to the charge battery for a much longer period of time, when the TRUE voltage across the potential has dropped to as low as 7 or 8 volts because the charge battery has come UP while the primaries have gone DOWN. Anyone who has EVER run this circuit for an extended length of time can tell you that they will get extended run times out of the batteries. Will it run forever? NO! I am not saying it will. I am saying that as PART OF A SYSTEM, it gets you where you want to be.


You can choose to BELIEVE what you WANT to BELIEVE and I will choose to KNOW what I KNOW. Yes, I AM encouraging people to build the ENTIRE system I spoke of above, because I know that AS A SYSTEM it works. I have it sitting on the bench in my shop and it produces free energy. Is the specific circuit BY ITSELF COP>1?  Yes it is. But that is NOT enough to get people where they want to be. I am NOT saying that it is. You only recover about 80-90% of what is run through the system, but do you have any idea what that works out to when coupled with an efficient generator?


But you win Brad.
I will go away now
Another victory for those with a closed mind


And do you know WHY I am giving in so easy? Because YOU are not important, and because this BASIC information that I have tried so hard to share is just the BEGINNING of a long path I went down to find the answers I was looking for. We have moved beyond this. Way beyond. It was our hope that this BASIC information would start others down the correct path, but if you want to be the road block to that, be my guest. My conscience is clear. I have tried MANY TIMES to get the information out there and that is all anyone can do. Best of luck to ya mate.


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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #395 on: June 07, 2016, 06:36:38 PM »
Dave
I know what you are seeing is genuine , having spoken with you and understanding the resources
you have at your disposal as well as your own very capable abilities ..to me it is self evident .
  That being said the real crux has always been "where is the energy coming from" ??

there are few options for energy to enter the system , and this means its really Simple
and That makes it quite exciting indeed .

Now you add Matts Motor to the Mix and His comment on the Benitez [spelling?] patent and its brutal
simplicity ....

Dave I sincerely hope the world brings you much long life and happiness ,and I hope that new little
Granddaughter can have a better life for it .



this is all very very exciting indeed !!

respectfully
Chet K
PS
Carlos Benitez patent attached
http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Patents/Benitez/Carlos%20Benitez.pdf
PPS
Quite certain Tinman meant Specific gravity ,he's been burning the candle in 4 time zones with all the associated sleeplessness
and slips of mind .

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #396 on: June 07, 2016, 07:42:04 PM »
Hi Dave,

I've never tested these claims but thought you might find the following interesting and in line with your work.

There is one patent, JP2013-046437, of using one battery, one motor and two generators. His original system was using three batteries in a similar configuration before switching to a mechanical system.

Original battery system:

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It is important to take out electrical energy from a power supply efficiently in view of energy problems. Then, the inventor proposed the feeder system which can maintain supply to electric load over a long period of time as a Patent document 1.
The power supply section by which, as for the feeder system of the description to this Patent document 1, a DC motor and two or more cells were provided in parallel, The series connection of the direct current generator which drives a DC motor as a driving source, and the changeover switch in which the cell energized among each cell is switched for every time required is carried out, and the electrical energy generated with a direct current generator is used for charge of a power supply section, the drive of a DC motor, and the electric supply to electric load.

Mechanical System:

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The current amplification equipment of the present invention is provided with a DC motor, and the 1st rotated with the aforementioned DC motor and a second direct current generator, The positive electrode on the DC-power-supply side is connected to the positive electrode of the aforementioned DC motor, and to the positive electrode of the above-mentioned first direct current generator, The anode of the aforementioned DC motor is connected and to the anode of the above-mentioned first direct current generator, The anode used as the ground on the aforementioned DC-power-supply side is connected, and to the positive electrode of the above-mentioned second direct current generator, The positive electrode of the aforementioned DC motor was connected, the positive electrode of the above-mentioned first direct current generator was connected to the anode of the above-mentioned second direct current generator, and the positive electrode of the above-mentioned second direct current generator and the anode of the aforementioned DC power supply were considered as the output.
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According to the current amplification equipment of the present invention, it can rotate, when the current from DC power supply flows into a DC motor, and it can be made to generate electricity with a first direct current generator and second direct current generator. From a second direct current generator, the direct output of the output current can be carried out via the second direct current generator from a first direct current generator by this power generation. Therefore, since the 1st and the output current from a second direct current generator are acquired with the current from DC power supply as output current, output current can be efficiently amplified to the current from DC power supply.
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It is desirable to provide resistance linked to the positive electrode of the above-mentioned second direct current generator and the positive electrode of the above-mentioned first direct current generator. It is desirable to provide resistance linked to the positive electrode of the above-mentioned second direct current generator and the anode of the above-mentioned first direct current generator.
[0009]
The aforementioned DC motor, the above-mentioned first direct current generator, and the above-mentioned second direct current generator are that each axis of rotation is turned in the direction, and the aforementioned DC motor rotates via an endless belt, and it is desirable to go around to the same hand of cut.

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #397 on: June 07, 2016, 07:51:27 PM »
Hello David,

My name is Gene, I know Luther, a fellow whom at one point was working with you on the 3bgs setup.   I'm familiar with what I've come to call the RPS configurations of sources... relative potential sources.   I like that you found you could run the inverter between two +'s so long as the volt offset was retained thru the configuration of the parallel stack against the series stack of batteries.   Did you note you could do the same using the two -'s as well?

Did you know you can use transistors of whatever type with the RPS as a source so long as you maintain the polar bias's properly with relation to the leads on the semiconductor?   I did that with a bedini SG setup, automatically doubles the batteries being charged when theres a parallel stack to recover all the spent energy on the input side... ;)

Anyways keep it up man, no idea if you still work with Luther but he was a good guy.   Hope you guys find some offset like maybe some solar panels to offset the discharge from the series stack and size that properly to keep the series stack being fully charged up during the day and maybe use a second set of solar panels as the series stacks potential during the daylight hours.   Then you'd set the system to run from the series stack at the end of the daylights hours on the solar panels and overnight, then the next day you'd put the series bank back on charge, and use the solar panels output as the series stack for as long as theres daylight, then repeat the cycle...    Might then have a system that works between the two extremes of being charged/discharged on the daily periodicity.   

From my end I've built a 50,000vdc RPS setup... I'm going at it the "sync" route.  Will eventually see if anything pans out...

Take care man,
Gene/Bellerian1


Brad,
You ask a question and when I answer it, you tell me I am wrong.
This is why I will no longer waste my time coming here.
You did not want my answer. All you wanted was an opportunity to tell me I am wrong.
Well, you got it, but after today you won't get any more chances.
I will not waste my time arguing with someone who has a closed mind because of what they "believe" and will not take the time to build the system and do the PROPER testing you are so committed to but have obviously NOT done.


I have spent 8 years of my life working with potential differences.
I have spent thousands of dollars and run thousands of tests.
I have ruined a hundred batteries running batteries in circuits that did not provide enough energy across the potential to properly charge the low side. Many of those are in my "dead battery bank", but some have been turned in for core charges.
I have paid for lab time at the university to use their battery analyzer to do controlled measurements of inputs and outputs. Tests that are far more accurate than a "pacific gravity" test. And by the way, it is a "SPECIFIC" gravity test, not "pacific". I have done that too. Have YOU? I didn't think so.
I know what I know.
 
Have you actually built this circuit and put a scope on it? Because when you tune the boost module, you can select the voltage that hits the battery on the other side of the load and it is hit with 14.5 volts. Period. The motor will actually put out 14.5 out the other side, or MORE,  WITHOUT a boost converter in the mix because it acts as a generator at the same time it is running as a motor, and run between the potentials that generated voltage comes out in a way that does NOT happen in a normal situation. But that is ANOTHER issue. What the boost module does is maintain the voltage at 14.5 to the charge battery for a much longer period of time, when the TRUE voltage across the potential has dropped to as low as 7 or 8 volts because the charge battery has come UP while the primaries have gone DOWN. Anyone who has EVER run this circuit for an extended length of time can tell you that they will get extended run times out of the batteries. Will it run forever? NO! I am not saying it will. I am saying that as PART OF A SYSTEM, it gets you where you want to be.


You can choose to BELIEVE what you WANT to BELIEVE and I will choose to KNOW what I KNOW. Yes, I AM encouraging people to build the ENTIRE system I spoke of above, because I know that AS A SYSTEM it works. I have it sitting on the bench in my shop and it produces free energy. Is the specific circuit BY ITSELF COP>1?  Yes it is. But that is NOT enough to get people where they want to be. I am NOT saying that it is. You only recover about 80-90% of what is run through the system, but do you have any idea what that works out to when coupled with an efficient generator?


But you win Brad.
I will go away now
Another victory for those with a closed mind


And do you know WHY I am giving in so easy? Because YOU are not important, and because this BASIC information that I have tried so hard to share is just the BEGINNING of a long path I went down to find the answers I was looking for. We have moved beyond this. Way beyond. It was our hope that this BASIC information would start others down the correct path, but if you want to be the road block to that, be my guest. My conscience is clear. I have tried MANY TIMES to get the information out there and that is all anyone can do. Best of luck to ya mate.

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #398 on: June 07, 2016, 08:04:21 PM »
With this circuit, I do not believe there is ANY energy entering the system from the outside. Benitez and Tesla BOTH developed systems based on extracting energy from the transfer of power from a higher potential to a lower potential. It is NOT rocket science. It is very simple and straightforward. The issue with it has ALWAYS been the switching, and its COST (because the batteries MUST move to different positions within the circuit) and controlling the stability of that potential difference which (in this system for example) starts at 12 volts* and goes down as the primaries discharge and the secondary batteries charge up.. The BOOST CIRCUIT is something neither Benitez NOR Tesla had, and it regulates that potential in a way they could only DREAM about.


But despite all our modern advancements, the only way to scale this up to run a house is to purchase a mountain of batteries. Not a happy thought.


What it WILL do, as part of a system, is run the heck out of a small motor which can be used to run a generator that puts out MANY TIMES what is needed to maintain the system. The output of that generator can be used as the high side of an even BIGGER potential based system to run a bigger motor and generator and the output of that generator as the high side of a BIGGER system.......until you are running the country on the five batteries on the bench in my garage. If you build it on a very SMALL SCALE and then try to build a potential based system to run off the generated power, you would see what I mean. I NEVER in my life thought I would be worried about producing TOO MUCH power from a system, but that's where this goes rather quickly. And high voltages make me very, very nervous.


But most importantly, and I cannot stress this enough, this is NOTHING but the basics of this technology. It sets you on the right path. It teaches you HOW to use energy without using it up. And when you master THAT.....!!!




*For purposes of discussion it is assumed that each battery has exactly 12 volts in it. This is not a reality as you all well know.


PS. I KNOW Tinman knows that it is "specific gravity." I have read a lot of his stuff and he's a pretty sharp guy. I just couldn't help myself. LOL

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #399 on: June 07, 2016, 08:24:28 PM »
Quote from: DBowling
You ask a question and when I answer it, you tell me
I am wrong.

This is why I will no longer waste my time coming here.
You did not want my answer. All you wanted was an
opportunity to tell me I am wrong.

Well, you got it, but after today you won't get any more
chances.

I will not waste my time arguing with someone who has
a closed mind because of what they "believe" and will
not take the time to build the system and do the PROPER
testing you are so committed to but have obviously NOT
done.

This sort of attitude is problematic.  It is indicative of a
"builder" who does not fully understand what his device
is doing and exhibits excessive emotional attachment to
beliefs which may be in error.

What TinMan explained is truth that is easily verified with
test instruments.  He has explained how your description
of "running for free" is not quite true.

If there is in fact excess energy to be accounted for in your
device then you must be better prepared to explain it in a
technically correct fashion and to verify it with accurate
measurement tools.

Voltage measurements of Lead Acid Batteries can be very
deceptive and never accurately indicate a quantity of stored
energy.

Those who find flaws in your explanations may be speaking
truth.  Pointing those flaws out does not necessarily indicate a
closed mind.  Beginners in Electrical Research often make
that same mistake by emotionally defensive attitudes.

We never like to consider the possibility that our thoughts may
be wrong - but quite often they are.  Then we must choose to
either find truth or continue with false beliefs.  Letting go of
emotional attachments is never easy and can be quite painful.

Do you want a following of ignorant builders who believe your
every utterance; or do you want technically competent observers
to offer constructive criticisms?  Are you really seeking truth or
are you caught up in a fantasy?

Quote from: DBowling
But most importantly, and I cannot stress this enough, this
is NOTHING but the basics of this technology.

It sets you on the right path.

It teaches you HOW to use energy without using it up.

And when you master THAT.....!!!

Now, if true, that is quite an accomplishment.
The challenge is to offer evidence that it is true in
a manner that is persuasive and verifiable.

You've already admitted that you've spent large sums
in support of your research.  How many are prepared
to make the same sort of investment in time and
financial resources?  Without showing a practical
application which could be immediately put to use
in powering a home or reducing reliance upon the
grid?  Can you comprehend why those who have
chosen to replicate are small in number?

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #400 on: June 07, 2016, 09:21:35 PM »
I have no excessive emotional attachment to beliefs. I have emotional attachment to FACTS. This has been tested. It works. I saw NO test results from TinMan, only a statement which is his opinion. How did his opinion become fact?


Put four batteries in parallel and run a brushed dc motor for as long is it will run. Then take the same four batteries and run the motor using this system, rotating the batteries, and see how long it will run. Simple test. Any child can do it. THEN tell me I am wrong. Or don't.

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #401 on: June 07, 2016, 10:04:58 PM »
Quote from: DBowling
Put four batteries in parallel and run a brushed dc motor for as long is it will run. Then take the same four batteries and run the motor using this system, rotating the batteries, and see how long it will run. Simple test. Any child can do it. THEN tell me I am wrong. Or don't.

There is a logical explanation why this is so;
that a system which utilizes a portion of the
expended total energy to partially re-charge
the system will exhibit an extended "run
time."  This principle has been known for many
years.

What is wrong about your explanation (or belief)
is that you've not fully evaluated and understood
how the energy is expended and retained as the
discharge/charge takes place simultaneously.

Are you in fact obtaining free energy?

Is this in fact a demonstration of over-unity?

In a word "No."  Not yet.  Perform an exhaustive
and complete analysis of the complete "loop"
and you'll see why.

Or not.  Seeing "why not" may take some time
unless your mind is "open."

Beginners frequently come to erroneous conclusions.

As you acquire experience and comprehension you
will one day discover where you've erred.  If, that
is, you are seriously pursuing truth.

What appears to be "excess energy" in your device
may simply be that Lead Acid Batteries initially
increase in their capacity by up to 30% during their
initial charge/discharge cycling.  This is due to the
physical construction of the cells and the chemical
process of increasing the quantity of active plate
material early in the life of the batteries.

This characteristic is purposely engineered within the
batteries and is desirable in that it extends the useful
life of the battery before it begins its gradual loss of
capacity.

Lead Acid Batteries are remarkable devices themselves.
They seem to have mysterious and almost magical
properties.  They are built that way...
 

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #402 on: June 07, 2016, 11:40:23 PM »
I have no excessive emotional attachment to beliefs. I have emotional attachment to FACTS. This has been tested. It works. I saw NO test results from TinMan, only a statement which is his opinion. How did his opinion become fact?


Put four batteries in parallel and run a brushed dc motor for as long is it will run. Then take the same four batteries and run the motor using this system, rotating the batteries, and see how long it will run. Simple test. Any child can do it. THEN tell me I am wrong. Or don't.

Hi Dbowling,


 the best solution to see how efficient is the circuit you run actually , is you replace the batteries by supercaps modules of 12,5v previous charged and make exactly the same test that you made , in that way the the "excuse"  about the battery "limitations" in measures will dissipate and you will able to measure with more precision the values  . Is only a ideia to help you have more clearly data , in that way no one will use the argument about  batteries  " mysterious and with almost magical properties".

Good work
 
 

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« Reply #403 on: June 07, 2016, 11:44:27 PM »
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What it WILL do, as part of a system, is run the heck out of a small motor which can be used to run a generator that puts out MANY TIMES what is needed to maintain the system. The output of that generator can be used as the high side of an even BIGGER potential based system to run a bigger motor and generator and the output of that generator as the high side of a BIGGER system.......until you are running the country on the five batteries on the bench in my garage. If you build it on a very SMALL SCALE and then try to build a potential based system to run off the generated power, you would see what I mean. I NEVER in my life thought I would be worried about producing TOO MUCH power from a system, but that's where this goes rather quickly. And high voltages make me very, very nervous.

Bullshit. Let's see your last six months of your home electricity bill.

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« Reply #404 on: June 08, 2016, 01:18:41 AM »
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You ask a question and when I answer it, you tell me I am wrong.
This is why I will no longer waste my time coming here.
You did not want my answer. All you wanted was an opportunity to tell me I am wrong.
Well, you got it, but after today you won't get any more chances.

I am here to present the truth,and the way i can do that,is by experimenting with the very same circuit you have presented here--which i have.

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I will not waste my time arguing with someone who has a closed mind because of what they "believe" and will not take the time to build the system and do the PROPER testing you are so committed to but have obviously NOT done.

That is where you are wrong-on two accounts.
I have built and tested this very setup years ago,but with a higher degree of energy analysis.
I can assure you that i am far from having a closed mind.

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I have spent 8 years of my life working with potential differences.
I have spent thousands of dollars and run thousands of tests.
I have ruined a hundred batteries running batteries in circuits that did not provide enough energy across the potential to properly charge the low side. Many of those are in my "dead battery bank", but some have been turned in for core charges.
I have paid for lab time at the university to use their battery analyzer to do controlled measurements of inputs and outputs. Tests that are far more accurate than a "pacific gravity" test. And by the way, it is a "SPECIFIC" gravity test, not "pacific". I have done that too. Have YOU? I didn't think so.
I know what I know.

A potential difference is just that-a difference between two points.
Have i done pacific gravity tests before and after?--yes of course-and more. I also carried out both digital and analog load tests before and after a test.
Why have you got so many dead batteries?.

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Have you actually built this circuit and put a scope on it?

Yes

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Because when you tune the boost module, you can select the voltage that hits the battery on the other side of the load and it is hit with 14.5 volts. Period. The motor will actually put out 14.5 out the other side, or MORE,  WITHOUT a boost converter in the mix because it acts as a generator at the same time it is running as a motor, and run between the potentials that generated voltage comes out in a way that does NOT happen in a normal situation.

As i said,voltage is not power,and some of the spikes from the motor could reach in excess of 100 volts.

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You can choose to BELIEVE what you WANT to BELIEVE and I will choose to KNOW what I KNOW. Yes, I AM encouraging people to build the ENTIRE system I spoke of above, because I know that AS A SYSTEM it works. I have it sitting on the bench in my shop and it produces free energy. Is the specific circuit BY ITSELF COP>1?  Yes it is. But that is NOT enough to get people where they want to be. I am NOT saying that it is. You only recover about 80-90% of what is run through the system, but do you have any idea what that works out to when coupled with an efficient generator?

Yes,the more load you place on the generator,the less you recover in the system.

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But you win Brad.
I will go away now
Another victory for those with a closed mind

It is not a matter of winning or loosing,it's a mater of defining fact from fiction.
As i said,i do not have a closed mind-not in the least.
In fact,i am willing to spend the time and money to replicate your circuit,and carry out those accurate measurements if you wish-->i am happy to do so.

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And do you know WHY I am giving in so easy? Because YOU are not important,

To most of the people on this forum,i would say that you are correct.


Brad