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Author Topic: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device  (Read 272083 times)

Offline a.king21

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #375 on: October 23, 2013, 05:10:45 AM »
Mags: Brilliant!!!
I would just add that weight of the skyscraper substitute is important. The heavier the better!!!


I know that Bedini did a pendulum version and I believe the thing worked for many years although he "tapped" it electronically using the usual magnets and coils.


The device can take time to tune. Tesla used a stethoscope device which I understand was like a pressure censor, and he used this as a feedback device.

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #376 on: October 23, 2013, 06:18:46 AM »
Mags: Brilliant!!!
I would just add that weight of the skyscraper substitute is important. The heavier the better!!!


I know that Bedini did a pendulum version and I believe the thing worked for many years although he "tapped" it electronically using the usual magnets and coils.


The device can take time to tune. Tesla used a stethoscope device which I understand was like a pressure censor, and he used this as a feedback device.

Hey Aking

Yes, I agree. Im going to try a couple different plexi strips with some different weights, magnets, may as well, instead of tuning with dead weight then adding mags and readjusting, you know. ;D
I think ahead before I commit. Sometimes too much, but thats me. :)

Its not going to be a big thing. Tabletop model.   Im going to try manual signal tuning first. Then if things get interesting, possibly an arduino to time the pulses.  I figure a small magnet a bit higher from the tapper magnet on the pen, and use a linear hall sensor to track the pen swing and ping where ever I want during the swing. This way it will get perfect timing whatever level of swing the pen is in at any time. But first Im going Tesla style. Tune, tune, tune.   ;)   Thats what its all about isnt it. ;) ;)

Mags

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #377 on: October 23, 2013, 07:59:31 AM »
Not to try to take anything away from any experiment as experiments are always good, I love to watch video's of people interesting experiment.

But I can go out into a paddock or the bush and destroys trees by the same principal more or less that Tesla used for his mechanical tapper.

If the tree has no leaves it works better because there is less "damping".

WARNING! This is dangerous to do, limbs will fall from the tree, do not try this at home unless you are an experienced tree destroyer.  ;D

It can be done different ways. ( I might do this to get dry wood or to make safe a smallish tree with dead limbs ).

Simply put I can just stand at the base of the tree with no leaves preferably a dead tree, and shake it in time with it's responses so that the tree ends up shaking way more than it can take structurally and breaks apart. If a tree has many leaves it is naturally damped from the leaves causing wind resistance and even if there is dead branches in the tree the damping may prevent me from being able to shake the tree enough to break the dead limbs off.

Or I can climb up the tree a bit and begin to sway my entire weight up in the tree a bit in time with it's responses so that I build up enough energy to snap off the tree at it's trunk underneath me, the higher you go the easier it is to break the tree or the bigger the tree a certain person can break. ( I do this to get feed for the goats in dry weather, so they have some living green feed to eat).

I bet people were bringing down trees with resonance many decades before Tesla was even born. Tesla did not "invent" resonance, he does not own it either just like anyone else they cannot own or patent a process of nature itself only the way they induce it.

Certainly no Over Unity happening when I bring down a tree by swaying it, just like no Over Unity if I was to bring down a building with the same principal using a "Tapper", it's nothing more than an accumulation of energy. Power is not energy.

A lot of energy goes into the tree growing and putting up in the air all the mass the tree has up there, without nature ( or men in the case of a building)  having done the work to get the mass up there, not only would it not work as there would be no mass but there would be no point as there would be nothing to "shake", to even begin the experiment a certain amount of work is done and locked up as potential energy in the mass at height, without that there is nothing to work with.

People use resonance quite often and do not even realize it because it is so natural.

I'ts actually quite funny when I bring down trees for goat feed, they hang around the tree but stand back a bit and when they see me start to sway the tree they all get excited and cheer me on, then when the tree hits the ground all I hear is crunch, munch, grunt, gulp x 6. hehehehe. If I do it right the tree regrows from the trunk break and it grows foliage at a height the goats can eat it at will. Win-win-win situation eg., firewood - feed and the tree root system stays intact.

Cheers.

Offline Magluvin

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #378 on: October 23, 2013, 09:02:14 AM »


The device can take time to tune. Tesla used a stethoscope device which I understand was like a pressure censor, and he used this as a feedback device.

Well I think we have an advantage with the table top unit where we can know the resonant freq of the pen before setting the tapper. ;)   Back then, Tesla would have had to get the building moving then somehow measure the freq of the building or the tapper. We have superman tools these days to help us with this task. ;D

Im thinking I need a bigger boat, I mean base.  I loved that from Jaws. I think we need a bigger boat!  ;D   Well, more sold and heavy.    It could be scaled to any size but the base must be solid and stationary.  There is a few things to think about still.

Mags

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #379 on: October 23, 2013, 09:22:32 AM »
I agree Mags a solid base is vital. Hey Mags, is there any chance you could maybe make a new thread for this ? Maybe experiments with mechanical resonators "Tesla Tappers" or some such title. It is a very interesting subject.

I refuse to hold grudges so no one should think I have anything personal against them, I hope the same consideration can be given to me but if not so be it. I much prefer to co-operate than compete. I think we all (or most of us) want the same thing, to study, contemplate, experiment and look for new sources of energy to utilize or new ways of exploiting the energy of the unending quantum fluctuations, or going by another name "The Aether itself".

Cheers

Offline Magluvin

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #380 on: October 24, 2013, 12:41:51 AM »
I agree Mags a solid base is vital. Hey Mags, is there any chance you could maybe make a new thread for this ? Maybe experiments with mechanical resonators "Tesla Tappers" or some such title. It is a very interesting subject.

I refuse to hold grudges so no one should think I have anything personal against them, I hope the same consideration can be given to me but if not so be it. I much prefer to co-operate than compete. I think we all (or most of us) want the same thing, to study, contemplate, experiment and look for new sources of energy to utilize or new ways of exploiting the energy of the unending quantum fluctuations, or going by another name "The Aether itself".

Cheers
Hey farmhand

Will make a new thread later this evening. ;)   I cut out parts for a smaller than planned base and resonator. I decided to make this version to get the feel of it first, then figure if I want to go bigger later. But this will do for now.

Will make the thread and post a pic when I get it together. Just some drilling and fastening together.

Maybe an hour or 2. ;)

Thought a lot about it today and Im happy with choosing spring tension instead of just a swinging pen. Will see how it goes. ;D

Mags

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #381 on: June 06, 2016, 11:16:01 AM »
An Invitation {of sorts}

Device which runs with gain
 *sample
input 120 watts
Output 800 watts

If you build it they will .......
help

If Not ....something to do with "pounding salt" [  David's associate Mathew Jones is Not a mincer of words]!!

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/19774-basic-free-energy-device-32.html

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 "" So that said let me just go through what we have given you.

People fail to understand the 3 battery setup the way we have laid it out.
You have to batteries in serial (and for simplicity) they equal 24 volt. The third battery at 12 volt is wired parallel. Between the hots is the load.
Now you can be very efficient by running the load and rotating the batteries as John Bedini outlined along time ago, but you can actually start charging the system if you put in a regulator.

A simple or complex boost circuit to maintain a steady voltage at the point of a load. This boost circuit can maintain a 14.5 volt voltage on the load even if the difference between the serial batteries is as low as 7 volt. First you loose nothing from the boost circuit because all switching, that would normally cost you now switched to the 3rd battery which catches everything normally goes to ground. PLUS you get The boost side is now drained into the third battery after the load. Now if the load doesn't knock down the power to much you get another effect, this is the magic. So read closely.

DC is a LOOP!!

Everything that happens on the positive side happens on the negative side in reverse. You charge a battery 2 ways. The charge in the battery is only the voltage difference between the 2 poles, ZERO (gnd) and POSITIVE (12vdc).

So you have load powered at 14.5 vdc. The power coming out of the load is in serial with the charge battery. 12vdc + 14.2vdc (After the load) = 26.2 volt. If the top serial bank is at 24 volt now you a get a 2.2 volt charge on the ground side into the top batteries.

Your not discharging on the ground side so charging and discharging can happen in the same stroke. You have widened the potential on the top bank of batteries momentarily. At the same time you have asked for more power on the positive side.

Now you batteries sit at idle while charging the bottom battery or holding it at 14.5 +-.

Think about for bit. Think about a loop of serial and parallel action that can happen and how to make that happen. Charging on the ground side and discharging on the positive at the same time.

Now we spoke somewhere along the line. This is the only logical way of looking at 3 batteries in this system when they are running loads for long periods of time seemingly not loosing any power. Motors by themselves will not do it. You must use a boost regulator. Your potential between the poles must be higher than the pole on the 3rd battery and the 2 must be higher than the combination of the serial batteries on top.

So I can't remember which thread I put it in maybe this one, definitely links in this one, but I gave a you simple low cost motor.
This motor had NO BEMF, or CEMF. The winding resistance calculated with the voltage gave an amp draw that was with 5% of the math. Thats means nothing could be in the way. The bearings were what kept it at its speed.
This motor accomplished this by shorting out the coil just before load. But that only happens if you use a normal battery or power supply.
On the 3 battery setup every watt that is put in will come out and it come out at pretty high potential. High enough to achieve the above requirements. Self timed as well. No need for switching or lavish timing. SIMPLE!!!

No one put the 2 together though..Your loss.

So now like David always says hook it to a generator and you excess energy. Create a potential difference at some point in the system and you can do more work for even longer.

Want a generator that accelerates use Thane Heinz stuff. Or watch Gotoluc's video on hysteresis and how accelerating coils are waist of time. Well that is if its costing you to turn the gen. Or maybe even hunt down Erfinder and beat him till he gives the info on how to lower the impedance of a generator coil by pulling bigger loads.

Better yet spend a couple of years developing a MASS to IMPEDANCE formula for accelerating coil OF ANY TYPE OR MATERIAL including air, and do it the right way. Reverse lenz's law and have it actually work for you.

I don't care what you do...Just don't ask me for help, unless of course your really trying.

Matt ""
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Chet K
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A Zero tolerance policy has been put in Place at The thread there.



Offline tinman

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #382 on: June 06, 2016, 12:24:42 PM »
The problem with anything you read on energetic,is that the forum is ruled by liars.
There are some brave enough there to speak the truth.


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Originally Posted by i_ron  View Post
That is easy for you to say but won't happen under this situation when secrets are being kept. Peter comes on the list selling books, you and Dave play a cat and mouse game of who is going to let something slip first. It is pathetic.

Who ever you are i-ron,good on you for having the balls to speak the truth.

This is Peter !the hack! Lindermanns response to the truth.

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I was really quite disheartened to see this post, so I'd like to share with you a little bit of my perspective on this. There are only a handful of people I know who have built self-running machines, based on the idea of a regenerative motor turning a low-drag generator, without being shown one first. That list includes: Bob Teal, Robert Adams, John Bedini, myself, and MATT JONES!

Lindermanns response is a barrage of outright lie's,as none of the people listed have ever built a self running device--hence the reason they are all still on the forum,trying to make a buck on selling books of secrets.

Lindermann,Arron the rookie,and the mighty Houdini him self-->you lot should be thrown in jail for fraud,as none of anything you sell ,claiming to give a means to build a self running device,is the truth.
You never have,and never will show a self running device,nor one that delivers more energy than in consumes.

These clowns need to be stopped,but as many of us know,you say something these hacks dont want to hear(like the truth),and you are banned from the forum.

Well i expose you for what you are--->frauds.


Brad

AKA--TinMan.

Offline ramset

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #383 on: June 06, 2016, 11:33:49 PM »
Brad
Not really speaking of anyone here except David Bowling And Mathew Jones.

And honestly Neither one has ever been anything but strait up Honest about their work.

I don't know if you have ever seen any Of Matts work , [I have not,  prior to today ]

 I must say

I Really like this Fellah !

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/19774-basic-free-energy-device-33.html

also to note
member skywatcher has started a replication thread here
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20494-split-positive-boost-charger.html

I will ask David if he minds me posting direct youtube links here [perhaps he can ask Matt?]

Respectfully

Chet K


@ Note
Spoke with David ,no problems [he also mentioned Tyson's [skywatcher] thread which is posted above

adding some links from Matts Motor build
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faZIszrlllI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFR-d_oaYsY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFPLX9wlBXg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT-WIrQdlTs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FcM_zlsVTI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvLygYONVo0

and Link to Matt's Arduino info [mentioned in same post as Motor build info
https://learn.adafruit.com/diy-boost-calc/overview



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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #384 on: June 07, 2016, 01:02:01 AM »
Guys,


Every time I try to talk about this stuff I am shouted down by naysayers who insist you can't run loads off the potential difference between two sources of power, and they want data to back up my claims when I say you can. I am not here to provide that data. Probably never will. I am not here to satisfy the naysayers. I am here to simply ask folks to give this stuff try and make up their own minds. The addition of the boost circuit to insure that battery three is charged correctly is an amazing little addition to what we have been doing. I am turning my big generator with a razor scooter motor run on this system, so I know what it is costing me and what I am getting out of it, and that does not include what I am able to recover from the cost of running the motor.


Take a look at Skywatcher's thread about running an inverter between the positives from which you can run some significant loads. The information is all there. You just have to give it a chance. It's up to you and it is your loss if you don't. I;m not here to argue the point. Just to show what I believe is possible.

Offline SeaMonkey

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #385 on: June 07, 2016, 01:15:12 AM »
Quote from: DBowling
Every time I try to talk about this stuff I am shouted down by
naysayers who insist you can't run loads off the potential
difference between two sources of power, and they want data
to back up my claims when I say you can

Ignore the naysayers who are unaware of this technique. ::)
Actually, it is quite common in certain esoteric military and
commercial applications.  This technique is routinely covered
in most technical training programs in its basic form and
analyzed in the study of Kirchoff's Theorem. 8)


Before the advent of efficient Buck Converters this technique
was commonly utilized by experimenters in the '40s, '50s and
'60s to provide reduced voltages without the wasteful power
loss of dropping resistors. :)

Offline Magluvin

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #386 on: June 07, 2016, 02:49:34 AM »
I looked at the first post of this link Chet posted above.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20494-split-positive-boost-charger.html

If you look at the circuit, the Ni packs are 30v and the car battery is 12v. The 30v pack, while running the inverter as shown, will be already charging the car battery being it is the higher potential battery. Depending on the voltage drop of the inverter, which could be 17v, 30-12=17. So looking at the current flow, the 12v batt is being charged by the Ni packs.  So my question would be, why would we be using the output of the inverter to run a charger to charge the car battery when it is already being charged, and shouldnt we want to charge the Ni packs instead?

Mags

Offline Magluvin

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #387 on: June 07, 2016, 02:53:02 AM »
The current flow through the loop of 2 batteries and the inverter input would be clockwise electron flow.

Mags

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #388 on: June 07, 2016, 03:09:41 AM »
I looked at the first post of this link Chet posted above.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20494-split-positive-boost-charger.html

If you look at the circuit, the Ni packs are 30v and the car battery is 12v. The 30v pack, while running the inverter as shown, will be already charging the car battery being it is the higher potential battery. Depending on the voltage drop of the inverter, which could be 17v, 30-12=17. So looking at the current flow, the 12v batt is being charged by the Ni packs.  So my question would be, why would we be using the output of the inverter to run a charger to charge the car battery when it is already being charged, and shouldnt we want to charge the Ni packs instead?

Mags




Just thinking about it more, possibly at idle and no load on the inverter the voltage divisions would be close to 30v Ni pack, 12v car bat and 17v inverter. Now when we load the inverter, its input voltage drop goes down, which is normal. But what happens to the batteries and their drops? This is just me thinking after seeing the circuit.

Mags

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #389 on: June 07, 2016, 03:37:13 AM »
Hi Mags,

I have worked with Matt and Dave on this system for the past couple of years or more.  What will happen when you load the inverter is the 12 volt battery will start charging faster and the 30 volt pack will start to drop in voltage some also.  But the surprising thing is the 12 volt battery will normally charge faster than the other side goes down.  Most of us have not tried this with a 30 volt Ni pack.  So I can't say for sure how they will act.  We normally run this system using three 12 volt batteries all the same size.  This is for the simple circuit to get the idea of how it all works.  You need to read the rest of Dave's info to understand how to use the boost circuit and about letting batteries rest between charging and using and several other tips.  Dave and Matt have spent several years working with this system to learn all they could to make it a practical and useful circuit.

Respectfully,
Carroll