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Offline Dbowling

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #210 on: November 25, 2008, 01:46:01 AM »
 I had something that was working and now it does not. Eventually all of my batteries run down. I don't know why it worked in the first place and so I don't know how to fix it. All I can do is try to set up the same kind of experiment I had in the beginning and use different motors and batteries. So far I have not been able to get back that magic I had for about two weeks. It is incredibly frustrating. I don't blame many of you for giving up on this when you're getting the kind of results I'm getting right now. I won't give up. I've seen it work. I had video of it working and of the batteries charging. I think it's still on the tape in my camera as a matter of fact, and if it is, anyone is welcome to a copy of it who would like it. I will check tonight to see. I had a seperate volt meter on each battery. I don't know if it will do you any good, because I have given out all the information I have, and I no longer have a working model to take any kinds of readings or measurements from. I thought it was such an amazingly simple thing that I took it apart and loaned batteries to other people for them to construct one, and now I realize I had the perfect combination of things that made it work. If I ever get it working again, I will be back here. In the middle of all this I made a move from Arizona to California, and I haven't really got my shop set up here to experiment again, but I intend to. I know what I saw. I know it worked. I don't have to operate on faith like you do. So I will NOT give up. I will look for that video, and if I find it, put it on u-tube or something and link to it so you can all see it.

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #210 on: November 25, 2008, 01:46:01 AM »

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #211 on: November 25, 2008, 02:49:21 AM »
There is one final thing that popped into my mind tonight. I don't think anyone has successfully duplicted what I had in my set up. And I don't think it has anything to do with motors or wires or anything. I am pretty sure it has to do with battery number three. Go back and read my original description of my original experiment. When I flipped the switch on my original setup, nothing happened. Battery 3 was too low or SOMETHING to complete a circuit. In about 10 to 15 minutes the motor suddenly started. The whole thing ran until all three batteries were at about 14.7 to 15 volts, and then it shut off BY ITSELF!. WHY? WHY, WHY, WHY, WHY,WHY? When someone can get that arrangement of three batteries and a motor to replicate THIS PART of the experiment, they will have the solution to making it work. Right now, I CAN'T get it to do this. Battery number 3 would slowly lose power, and when it got low enough, the motor would kick back on and the whole thing would repeat. It did this over and over and over and over again. THIS IS THE KEY. What was there about battery number three that would shut the motor off when it was fully charged? Is that even logical? It happened. And I'm sure that is the answer to making this thing work again. Someone out there who understands batteries will have to figure this part out. I know it is beyond me, and battery number 3 didn't even belong to me. I had to give it back to the guy it belonged to. He is in Arizona and has given up on this. I am in California and will NOT give up. By the way, I borrowed battery number three from him again and tried to replicate the whole experiment again, and it would NOT work. The motor just continued to run until the batteries were too low to power it. The motor never shut off.

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #212 on: November 25, 2008, 12:34:22 PM »
I have heard some say that a battery is a negative resistor.
Well maybe in a certain chemical state a battery does function as a negative resistor.
Lead Sulfide is a semiconductor.
So maybe this is what happened in the dead battery, but after continued use the chemical combination was destroyed.

I still think someone should try making a very simple battery out of a few lead plates and some sulfuric acid.
Just use 2 plates per cell and connect them in series to get 12 volts.
A 2 plate battery would charge and discharge very quickly, like a battery that won't hold a charge.



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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #212 on: November 25, 2008, 12:34:22 PM »
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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #213 on: November 25, 2008, 10:21:35 PM »
@Dbowling,

A totally drained and "dead" battery has a high internal resistance. The battery has high internal resistance because almost all of the lead plates is covered with led sulfide. Now you connect the motor and no high current can flow because of the resistance. After some time some few areas of the battery plates will be in contact with the water/acid and a little charge will be gained. Then the internal resistance will drop a lot and now the current is free to flow. The motor starts to run. Then after a while the battery will gain more and more charge just like a capacitor and the voltage over the battery will reach a high enough  voltage so the the motor will stop. The motor can only run when there is a voltage difference over the motor terminals. This was the easy part to understand. The hard part to understand is WHY all three batteries did charge up. Also, why did battery three (the "dead" one) slowly loose charge again? If it was connected to the motor and the motor did not run then there is a path for the current through the motor and to the third battery. It should not have drained again. This is the second part that I do not understand.

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #214 on: January 21, 2009, 10:22:02 PM »
Hi all
I`m new
I only stumbled upon this charging device 2 days ago while reading about the bedini(Jim Watson) generator on the panacea website and was referred to David bowling
This is the most brilliant configuration I ever saw as it does not kill the dipole.
All the current drawn by the motor or whatever load you put into that specific location where the motor sits has to go to the GOOD flat battery which will charge with that same amount of current drawn by the motor and so recover all the energy used to run the motor
I cannot see that an extra load anywhere else will work properly
In my 2 days test I used 3  good similar 18aH batteries.
The voltage lost on the 2 good batteries is about the same as the voltage gain on the flat battery and then we got the extra energy of the motor which can be used to drive a Jim Watson type of generator. A big flywheel  with a lot of magnets and some coils in series that generate ac (100volts or more), a bridge rectifier ,   a  capacitor bank and a relay that dumps the 100v volts onto the driving batteries (1 & 2) or maybe used to charge another battery bank that drives an inverter.
Looks like over unity to me!!!
Off cause the flat battery has to be replaced when it is fully charged
I have not reached the point where battery 3 is higher in voltage then the other 2  but I suppose that the voltage over the motor will drop ( 24v -12 =12v over the motor) or when batt3 is fully charged(13.8v) and bat1 &2 are say about 10v each( 20v-13.8 = 6v) which is a bit low to drive a large 12v motor to do some work
So I suppose the batteries has to be rotated all the time
By using 2 x 12v batteries in parallel  in position 3 it will be easy to change them into series when they are fully charged and switch the 2 run down batteries 1& 2 into parallel and make them battery 3 to be charged. They could then be switched by relay( nearly like the tesla switch!) Maybe it is the Tesla switch but only gets switched ones or twice a day instead at 20 -100 Hz.  Maybe Mr Bedini can commend on this
I hope this thread will continue as I see the last posts was last year in November and there are definitely potential in this charger circuit and I hope Mr Bowling filed his patent
Also see the following:

----- Original Message -----
From: HENRY JOHNSON
To: Sterling D. Allan
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 9:46 AM
Subject: LATEST DEVELOPMENT

HI STERLING
LAST FRIDAY WE HAD THE OPERTUNITY TO RUN OUR PROTO TYPE MOTOR CONNECTED TO A MOPED @ THE FRANKENMUTH MI. HI-SCHOOL. THIS WAS MONITORED BY CHRIS PHILBRICK, AN ENGENEER @ THE VASSAR FOUNDRY, A SCIENCE ADVISOR, FOR INDEPENDANT ASSESMENT.
 
THIS 0.2 HP MOTOR, GENERATOR (WHICH WAS NEVER BUILT TO DO ANYTHIG, BUT RUN) POWERED A 300# MOPED AND RIDER 60 MUNITS. WHEN WE STOPPED THE BATTERIES WERE FULLY CHARGED.
CHRIS'S PHONE # 989 823 7452
RANDY BIERLEIN, OF SCHAFFER, BIERLEIN CHRYSLER WAS ALSO THERE. HIS # 989 751 3559. CALL THEM FOR THIER INDEPENDANT COMMENTS.LET ME KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
HENRY
 
From: Sterling D. Allan [mailto:sterlingda@pureenergysystems.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 8:20 PM
To:
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I phoned Chris Philbrick, who said that at T=0, the "positive" battery array of 4 12-V motorcycle started at 50.4 V, then ended at 42.5 V.  The "negative" array, also 4 bats in series, start: 49.3 V, ended at 51.6 V.  The moped was driven around the gym continuously for an hour. 210 HP motor, going around 6-8 mph.  8 batteries in all.
 
He said they did not do a control test to see how much energy it would take to do the same thing with a "normal" motor.
 
They will be doing some follow-up tests.
 
He said he was convinced there was "something to it."
 
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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #214 on: January 21, 2009, 10:22:02 PM »
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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #215 on: January 23, 2009, 02:26:52 AM »
@nvisser,
Your post made a lot of sense to me. Those who want to better understand what you're saying about the dipole can check the last 2 pages of Patrick Kelly's downloadable Electronics tutorial at:
http://free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapter12.pdf

Sorry, I couldn't copy and paste it here.
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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #216 on: January 23, 2009, 08:10:02 PM »
Hi Bob
Thanks for your reply
If you look at http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapter5.pdf    page5-8 you will find the Electrodyne Tesla switch explanation and it is exactly the Bowling charging device .Only it does not get switched at say 20-100Hz and will not draw the radiant energy.
It did some more tests and found that if I use a motor that only draws 80mA battery3 gains what battery 1 &2 loose in voltage overnight. If I connect a 220v inverter and drive a 60 W bulb ie: a load of 5Amp where the motor must be , battery 3 charges with 5Amps but cannot charge so fast and batteries 1&2 loose voltage to below 10v before bat3 is charged up ,in 40 minutes.
I still think if the motor drives a flywheel, Jim Watson style overunity could be reached
Anyway now that I understand how this circuit operates it is easy to understand the principles of the tesla switch.
I used a 6p rotary switch and wired it exactly like the Electrodyne Tesla switch to easily switch the process over when bat3 (2 in parralel) are fully charged.
I jumped (removed and connect straight) the diodes and used 2 mores switches in place of the bottom 2 diodes in the drawing, so that the batteries positives do not short when they are in series mode.
 I think it will also work for the switched tesla switch. These are 35a diodes and are not cheap and also give extra voltage drop in the circuit
I think next must be to built a tesla switch like this . Mr bedini said somewhere that it has to be switched with sharp rising edge 50% duty cycle pulses of about 20Hz. A think a 7Amps relay should handle that frequency. Nothing more
The Electrodyne Tesla switch used brushes which gave sharp overshoot pulses ( like switches does) and they switched between 100 and 800 hz when apparently it became dangerous. I don’t think it has something to do with the weird things that Ron Brand`s car did because I understood that he used relays and you cannot reach such high freq. with relays
See on this tread this input

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« Reply #108 on: May 22, 2008, 01:31:01 PM »   
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Back in 1992 or 1991 Ron Brandt spent a few weeks with me and we ran his transistor switched circut using 4 batteries 6 transistors and a few other components.  we uses a signal generator to adjust the switching freq for maximum output to the load. we used 4 car headlights for the load on the switching unit and 1 on each of the baseline batteries.  we had 2 extra batteries we used as baselines.  to start off we charged all batteries using an astron 50 amp powersupply. all batteries were new.

We measured the SG of the electrolite and also the battery voltage 4 hours after charging before we began testing.  each of the baseline batteries with 1 headlight attached lasted I believe 7 hours before reaching 7 volts, our cutoff point.  the 4 batteries being switched ran for 73 hours before reaching the 7 volt mark.
We would check the frequency every hour or so longer intervals at night maybe 4 hours to keep it at maximum output to the load.  somewhere around 900 to 1100 Hz if i remember correctly.

after the first test all batteries were recharged with the power supply and we calculated the total recharge power we used to get the sg and voltage back to where we started. the 4 switching batteries required the same recharge time as the baseline batteries to reach our full charge state.

the second and 3rd test seemed to go about the same. but on the 4th test when trying to recharge the 4 switching batteries something strange happend.  the 4 switching batteries had 50 amps at 15 volts pumping into them but no bubbles, the battery temp was below room temp, and nothing was going on other than my powersupply getting a good workout.  it stayed like this for over 3 days then all at once it started to bubble and the recharge cycle began and the battery came back to life. This happened to all 4 batteries. we ran the test again pretty much same results and again the batteries would not recharge for 3 days. we stopped after this as it was taking way to long and we had lost all the net gain we had achieved in the first tests.

Ron told me that when he was running his electric car his neighbors car had a bad battery and he removed one from his electric car and gave it to them. the alternator on the neighbors car went up in smoke after an hour of driving.  it was more than likely running at full field trying to charge the battery.


We did not use a motor and i believe that is the secret to getting it to self charge. Ron told me he ran his car for months without charging the batteries.

He also told me a strange story that after running the car for a few hours when setting at a stop light the other cars around him all stopped running.  he called it some sort of energy field he thought it was creating. he also told me that his neighbor could not get out of her mobile home one day when he had the motor running and the car in idle for a few hours in is driveway, she yelled for help and when he went to help her it was like walking through air as thick as sand and it took almost all his energy to get to her.
after that he stopped the project to think about what was happening.
It will be interesting if anyone else will have the same battery non charging event happen to them.



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« Reply #217 on: January 25, 2009, 04:57:33 PM »
There are elements in the above Ron Brandt story that are consistent with Stan Deyo's remarks about the effects of pulsed DC in when used to negate the forces of gravity.  (You can find them in his series of talks on Youtube). Deyo mentions a prototype plywood board bearing a series of toroids with 2 windings (at right angles to one another, I believe) pulsed with DC.  As the board rises off the bench, the experiementer tries to pass a broomstick under the board, but does so with much resistance - similar to Brandt's neighbour trying to get out of her trailer door, and Brandt trying to walk across her yard to help her (with much difficulty)

Where might be the common element?  Is it a reconfiguring of the electrogravitic characteristics in their surroundings? 

Does resonance come into play here?

Are the effects of gravity intensified or lessened when the aether is tapped to draw cold electricity into a circuit (negative resistor) or battery?

Any thoughts?
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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #218 on: January 31, 2009, 06:32:26 PM »
The motor may be the key element in replicating this charging phenomenon.  Each motor has its own switching frequency. It may be that DB's motor had a switching frequency which matched the impedance of his batteries.  The resonance created by this matching may have facilitated the battery's ability to act as a negative resistor.  The key to replicating this effect, therefore, may be in trying a variety of motors which run at different speeds, until resonance is reached.  This may also be achievable with a 555 timer switch, using variable resistor in the circuit to raise or lower frequency.
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« Reply #219 on: November 15, 2009, 03:16:51 AM »
Stupid intellectual property system. Why aren't there any inventers out there who don't care whether or not they get fortune and glory? If I'd invented it, I would have just spread the plans and schematics across the nation and the internet for free, and produced youtube videos on how to build and operate the thing.
I believe the reason is everyone in the world is not a hobbyist . It makes since to me to plan  release of finished products to everyone at the same time so actual people who need it and have no idea how to build them can have one . .Indeed a free energy Electric machine wil not be free but will provide free electricity after purchased .
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« Reply #220 on: December 14, 2009, 11:03:20 PM »
I just checked back today and saw that there is still some activity on this thread. Just so you know, I did not fall off the face of the earth or sell out to some big company. I went through some stuff the last year and a half, but I am back now, and trying to get this motor to work again. Last night I hooked up my circuit for the first time in a looooong long time. It still did not work, but my results were not what I expected. My motor got very hot and so did my wires, melting two of them. This was new. I tried a different battery in the third position and that problem disappeared, but while battery number three charged, one and two went down in voltage. I intend to continue switching out that third battery until I can find one that meets the conditions I had before.
1. It must be under 7 volts to begin with
2. It must accept a charge from a conventional charger
2. When fully charged with a conventional charger, it will not hold a charge
If I can find that, I will start to work on trying to see if there is something to the idea of tuning the motor to the batteries. I wwill keep at this for as long as it takes and report here if I make any progress.

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #221 on: December 18, 2009, 06:46:24 PM »
David
As you said somewhere, this is just a static tesla switch.
John Bedini joint a thread on the tesla switch and is actually giving tips on how to get it working. The fiirst circuit he posted is a lot like yours to explain the principal. See http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/962-use-tesla-switch-23.html#post74777
from page 23 post 446 and post 457- attatched thumbnail in the bottom.
What I picked up was that the only way for a 4 battery system to charge themself you need a very low voltage load (3-4v).

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« Reply #222 on: December 23, 2011, 05:41:23 PM »
A day or so ago I was going through some old boxes of junk, and I came across my lab notes for my original experiment. It showed me some things I did not remember, and reinforced how incredibly important it is that we keep good notes.
The day we hooked this setup up for the first time, we used one motor. The second day, when we decided to get all scientific about it, we used a second motor that was totally different and much larger, so I am not convinced that the motor was as critical as I thought it was. I have the model number of BOTH motors in my notes if anyone is interested. I also scanned those notes as .jpg files for anybody who is interested. They can contact me at dbbowling@ hotmail.com and I would be happy to send them a copy. The fact that we used two different motors is the first important issue.


The second, and I believe much more critical issue, is that we originally used battery cables to connect all the batteries. When I was getting ready to take the device to California to meet with the patent attorney, I disassembled it and used 16 gauge wire to make those connections. I only took the motor and pulley device with me, along with a small roll of wire and end connectors, figuring I could get batteries in California and would not have to ship them. I purchased three of them in California, but the system did NOT work for my demonstration to the patent attorney. When I got BACK from California, I continued to use the 16 gauge wire on all my experiments and the thing never, ever worked again. I now believe that those battery cables were a critical element to the success of the device.


The third thing was the bad battery. I kept insisting that it was a battery that would take a charge but not hold it. Nowhere in my notes does it state that as a fact. It simply says that we charged three batteries overnight and when we went to use them, the third battery only showed  4.4 volts as measured on an analogue volt meter. So THAT is the battery we put in position number three.  In my notes it says that we charged the other two batteries to 12.2 volts each, but whether I meant 13.2 or what, I am not sure. I think we know that 12.2 is not a full charge, so I may have just made an error in writing it down. When we hooked everything up, nothing happened. We walked away, and in a few minutes (probably about 10-15) the motor suddenly came on. It ran for a while and shut off. We measured the voltage on battery number three between the positive and negative terminal. It was 24.3 volts, and it began to slowly go down. When it reached around 18 volts the motor started up and ran as the voltage continued to go lower. When it got to 8 volts the motor shut off and the voltage reading jumped immediately back up to the 24.2 volts and then began to go slowly down. When it reached 18 the motor started and ran until it reached 8 and then shut off. This repeated over and over while we ran the motor for over five hours, at the end of which, all three batteries had increased in charge. That was the end of the first day.


Now, in all the experiments I did over the next few days, I kept the charge on battery number 3 between that 8 and 18 volts. Either by putting a load on the motor or by hooking up devices that sucked power. As long as I did that, the thing would keep running.


I should also mention that the analogue meter we were using on the first day had a bad battery and was giving us faulty readings. I know this because on the second day I went out and bought three brand new meters so I could put one on each battery and they showed that our two source batteries were at around 12.9 volts when our original meter showed 12.2. Which means that pretty much NONE of this original data is very accurate. Sorry about that. But the new meters WERE on the batteries when we performed the experiment on the second day that almost blew up the batteries because we overcharged them, and all of the tests I ran after this I used the three meters I purchased to record results, so I am pretty sure they were accurate. Or else all three meters were bad.


I hope this information is beneficial to anyone who stumbles on this thread. With this information in hand, I am going back to the drawing board and see what happens. I have a few "bad" batteries and I am going to see if I can get the initial experiment to repeat...where I hook the motor up and nothing happens for about ten minutes and then the motor starts up. If I can get THAT to happen, I believe I have the RIGHT combination. Wish me luck, because I will certainly SHARE when I figure this all out.

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #223 on: December 25, 2011, 01:40:31 AM »
Hello David,
 
Thank you VERY MUCH for sharing your findings.  Please continue to do so.
 
Can you also post a circuit diagram & those JPG pictures here on Overunity.
 
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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #224 on: December 25, 2011, 09:08:57 PM »
   I have to sneak in here for a bit. I have many different types of
test meters laying around. The part where you said you went out
and replaced your "analog" meter with new ones brings up a point.
Most of the time, on the old style meters, a battery is only needed
to check ohms with. In AC/DC/Amps mode, they are passive in nature.
There is an adjustment so you can set the accuracy of the readings
but its just resistance.
   On the other hand, I recently acquired a very old military meter. It
takes two batteries to work and does nothing without them. I think
it was made in the '60s too.

Could you elaborate in that respect for me?
  thay


 

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