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Author Topic: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device  (Read 268516 times)

Offline Kator01

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #165 on: November 07, 2008, 08:27:38 PM »
Hi Dbowling,

this is exaclty like dead batteries behave. I have regenerated maybe 100 lead-acid batteries "saved" from our local dump by a halfwave-puls-circuit directly connected to my 230 Volt-grid in series to an incandescant bulb ( 10 Watt ).
I could very quickly find out if this battery wil come to life again. If the bulb remained dark for 1 hour ( no AC-pulsed-current was flowing ) the inner resitance remained high but voltage was rising up to 14 or even 16 Volt but it cound not maintain this level very long. So we are speaking here about the same thing.

@groundloop : I have studied supercaps in depth. I was buying the first supercaps I could get my hands on way back in 1999 and got very good specs at that time .  It is a double layer but not a electro-chemical-strorage-process, as you certainly know and can not be compared to lead-batteries. The supercaps have a very large ESR and this is the reason I was using them because the effect - especially the heat-dissipation at the inner lead-junctions - can be observed more clearly by fast loss of energy.

I continued my measurements today and all I see is proof of what  I had described earlier. Motor is not running any longer, both cap-systems - the two in series and cap3 have now identical voltage-level, however they get drained continuously at an equal pace which is in accordance with the physical law that no two devices - even if I measure the exact same voltage-level in both cap-systems - doe actually have the same level. Even the smallest difference which must occur leads to a small discharge-current to the other system until this system reaches a super-small voltage-difference higher and here we go again but this time the current is flowing the other way around. So this back and forth - flow in my setup  is very small and must be recorded with different means. In your setup you have bigger currents and observe a very slow pulsation between these two systems and this reflects itself in periods of activation and rest of your motor. You should observe with each cycle a clock- and then a counter-clockwise rotation.

As user XEE was stating - along with his charge-discharge diagramm - there is no energy-gain. It just takes may be a few months until the system comes to an equilibrium.

But anyway there is always somthing to learn with this setup here - at least it was for me.
I am finished with this one. Will move to other things.

Best Regards

Kator01

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #165 on: November 07, 2008, 08:27:38 PM »

Offline AbbaRue

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #166 on: November 07, 2008, 10:29:20 PM »
One very interesting point I have learned from this thread is about a battery differing from a capacitor.
A discharged battery has a high resistance whereas a discharged capacitor has a very low resistance.
Maybe this principle could be utilized in some way. 
Also considering using a battery capacitor combo could yield some interesting results.
Place a charge into a battery then switch it to discharge into a capacitor, then back to the source to repeat it again.

If a dead battery is important to this setup because it charges and discharges quickly,
and has a high internal resistance then I have an idea.

Make a very small 12 volt battery of your own that charges and discharged very quickly.
You could make a simple rechargeable battery from nickel and iron seperated with a fabric soaked in potassium hydroxide.
Or 2 lead plates separated with a fabric soaked in alum may even work.
If someone has a dead car battery hanging around they could very carefully remove a few of the plates to make one.
If you used just 2 plates per cell this would make a battery that charges and discharges very quickly.

Maybe try using 10 AAA rechargeable batteries to get 12.5 Volts. They should charge and discharge quickly.

One theory I've read is that the excess energy is coming from the motor brushes as they slowly burn away.
If this is the case then the ideal motor for this would be one that has been modified to use 2 spring loaded carbon brushes.
Then as the brushes burn away the spring keeps feeding the carbon brushes into the motor.
The motor can be a very low power motor, it just needs to keep spinning to produce the carbon arc.
A fly wheel would store the energy so it needs very little power to keep it going.

Which brings us back to tapping power from a spark gap.  Which is probably what this is.
And the dead battery with its high internal resistance aids in doing so.


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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #167 on: November 08, 2008, 05:50:09 AM »
Hi Dbowling,

I just noticed your topic and obviously find it very interesting. I also see that Groundloop is here and doing his best in helping as usual.

Thank you for sharing and Groundloop and others trying to replicate the effect you have found. I'm away from home for a couple of weeks but I will also try a replication once I get back home.

Thanks for sharing

Luc

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #167 on: November 08, 2008, 05:50:09 AM »
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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #168 on: November 09, 2008, 02:33:53 PM »
I wounder if you could use a compositor insteed of a dead battery and just keep a load on the compositor.
Maybe run the inverter off it or charge another battery thats not really dead.

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #169 on: November 09, 2008, 10:40:43 PM »
Hi all,  ::) still setting up the experiment scene for daves replication or as close as i can get it at least, i'm currently trying to kill this battery still and ive shorted it and some more and it still keeps conducting my load straight away but i'll keep trying - does anybody know a aure way to get my battery like daves and the others? i'm not sure i'm doing it right or efficiently - non conductive with the motor initially and dead as a dodo?
any help would be great to helping me help toward the cause - thanks,

eel  ;D

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #169 on: November 09, 2008, 10:40:43 PM »
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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #170 on: November 09, 2008, 11:04:54 PM »
@Anothertruthfinder,

If it is a water/acid lead acid battery the just drain the battery with a light bulb until no light.
Then short the battery with a thick wire for some hours. Then fully charge the battery
again as far as it will go. Repeat until no charging is possible. A normal car battery
will probably "survive" approx. 11 discharges to low voltage before it is "dead".

@slayer007,

A capacitor has a low internal resistance (to current) when not charged. It has a high resistance (to current)
when fully charged. A "dead" lead acid battery has high internal resistance (to current) when not charged.
It has a lower internal resistance (to current) when charged. So the two items has the opposite response to
current. I do not think a capacitor will work in this circuit.
 
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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #171 on: November 09, 2008, 11:06:23 PM »
Pese I think, is right.
If I were in my flashlight batteries, the 3 pieces a 1.2Volt (NC) used a
upside down, I have built instead 3.6Volt only 1.2 volts on my bulb.

At 3 pieces 12-volt batteries, I sure the same behavior (but timezone 10)

If I take 2 batteries and an incorrectly pole around, I have ZERO volts.
But also, it can not be otherwise ...

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #171 on: November 09, 2008, 11:06:23 PM »
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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #172 on: November 09, 2008, 11:35:01 PM »
hi @ groundloop,
       
         thanks for the advice,  will certainly go through those stages and get there eventually lol - just gonna put it on charge and let it drain tomorrow etc.
       
         might have to rethink my bat3 though cause its 55ahr and bat1 & 2 are 105ahr but ill try and see - i guess its all data be it positive or negative.

thanks again,
 
    eel  ;D

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #173 on: November 10, 2008, 01:57:27 AM »
Hi All

I've created a synopsis of the posts that David Bowling has already made on this thread (see attached document).

The document is listed in chronological order. 

On the last pages David explains what he means by a "dead" battery which are very relevant to making this work, I think  :P

Regards,
Paul





 

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #173 on: November 10, 2008, 01:57:27 AM »
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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #174 on: November 10, 2008, 03:31:48 AM »
Hi All

Damn I knew I was going to mess this up somewhere...LOL...turns out it's the last line in the document.... :P

"Dead Battery Description:

Battery can be charged up to 14 volts, if disconnected and set overnight it drops down to very little on the voltage meter."

Should have been edited at the time of posting to....

"Battery can be charged up to 14 volts, if left connected/disconnected and set overnight it drops down to very little on the voltage meter?"

Forgot to change the . for the ? and the connected part... :o

Regards,
Paul


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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #175 on: November 10, 2008, 06:42:59 AM »
@Goat,

Can't read .odt files. Can you post in another format?

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #176 on: November 10, 2008, 01:54:56 PM »
Hi Groundloop & All

I converted the file to a pdf format, unfortunately it went from 38 KB to 117 KB so I had to add it to the file upload section as "David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device Synopsis", please go the download section to retrieve it.

Regards,
Paul

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #177 on: November 10, 2008, 05:02:47 PM »
Hi All

I renamed and re-uploaded the file as "David Bowling's Posts Synopsis of Continuous Charging Device.pdf" because Reply #52 was missing in the document, I also set the pdf to open at 100% magnification instead of the default 130%, it seems to have shrunk the size of the document a little by doing that  ;D

Please see the Dowloads section at http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=0 for the newer copy.

Regards,
Paul

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #178 on: November 10, 2008, 09:51:36 PM »
@Goat,

Thanks.  :D

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #179 on: November 11, 2008, 05:14:05 PM »
Hi y'all!!

Firstly, I would like to thanks David Bowling for his willingness to share his invention...  ;)
Hope you success...

I have several questions...

I just replicated David circuit that drawn by Groundloop...  ;D

The result are very weird...
The third battery is getting warm...

So, the question is, is my replication failed?
Any suggestions??
 
Thanks!!  8)

 

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