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Author Topic: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device  (Read 250808 times)

Offline Omega_0

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #150 on: November 06, 2008, 08:22:05 AM »
David Bowling,

Did you do comparison tests ?

1 - For how many hours the motor runs when the Battery 1 and 2 only, are connected to it?
2 - For how many hours the motor runs when the Battery 1, 2 and 3(dead battery) are connected to it? (Excluding the time it halts automatically during the run cycles)

If 2 > 1, we have something here.


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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #150 on: November 06, 2008, 08:22:05 AM »

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #151 on: November 06, 2008, 07:56:20 PM »
Let me put it to you this way. I took a 4th battery and connected it between batteries two and three. When it was charged to over 13 volts, I disconnected it from the loop and ran a 12 volt headlight from a car off of it until it wouldn't light the headlight anymore. Then I hooked it up again and recharged it. I kept doing this over and over for five days, day and night, getting very little sleep. At the end of five days the charge in batteries 1 and 2 was the same, and I had run that headlight for well over 80 hours. I KNOW I have something. But replicating it and figuring out WHY it works so that we can do it without a "dead" battery is the issue. You can't put something into production when you have to include a "dead" battery as part of the "kit".

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #152 on: November 06, 2008, 08:52:57 PM »
Hi all  ;D- im new to this particular thread - aka eel by the way - a bit shorter for everyone hehe

i thought i would get my two pence worth in here - im currently setting up one of these devices with three lead acid batteries - 2x 105 Ahr rating and one 55 Ahr, the 55 is going to be my 'dead' one or batt3 in the loop. went up the local scrapheap this morning and managed to get the 3 batteries for £1 each! - bargain for an experiment.

ive had some interesting results with my mini setup - 3 ni mh configured as we know its meant to be with a meccano motor as my 'motor' havent done loads on it - its been a study point more than anything. i took 3 batts straight from the wrapper 12 hours ago uncharged (i presume) and theyve only just conked now. it needs more data this whole thing which i know we are trying for so lets keep positive folks and keep up the good work.
one thing to note - as has been said before, i think it just needs a resistive load and might be nothing to do with the carbon brush arcing principle which is good news - i will be trying various loads

ill keep ya all posted about results as soon as ive got something going.

take care all,
eel

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #152 on: November 06, 2008, 08:52:57 PM »
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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #153 on: November 06, 2008, 10:23:23 PM »
Hi David and all
I think it would be quite a novelty to have a dead battery in the kit, all the other "free energy" devices seem  to need a live one.
Very interesting project,following it, and hope to build it soon.
peter

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #154 on: November 07, 2008, 12:26:51 AM »
@All,

Attached is a drawing and photo of my setup. I'm using two 7A batteries and one 1,3A battery.
The "dead" 1,3A battery climbed fast to the sum of battery 1 and 2. The motor does not run
and the light bulb does not light. So, I can conclude that the first part of the replica is confirmed.
The "dead" battery has such a high internal resistance that no current can flow in the circuit.
I will keep the circuit connected to see if the motor starts at some point in future time.

[EDIT] I have been waiting for over an hour now and the motor never starts. The only thing that happens
          is that the two big batteries is being slowly drained.

Groundloop.
« Last Edit: November 07, 2008, 01:08:08 AM by Groundloop »

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
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Offline Kator01

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #155 on: November 07, 2008, 02:05:14 AM »
Hi all,

now it is interesting that no one has really correct numbers or knowledge of the condition of this Bat 3 used in the original experiment.

Whatever the condition of this Bat 3 was, this circuit puts Bat 1 + Bat 2 in parallel-mode to Bat 3.

Now all electronic professionals know that one never ever puts two batteries ( I mean any kind of rechargeable battery ) in parallell - even if one uses two kinds of exact the same voltage. The reason is simply this : even the smallest voltage-difference ( and this will happen for sure after a certain amount of time elapsed ) and even with no load attached will finally end up with both of the batteries go dead. They permantly work against each other and it is just a matter of time. A long-experienced electronic professional told me this some time ago.

Despite this well known fact, lap-top batteries are constructed exactly this way. I opened a lot of these battery-sets  in the past and found them partly totally dead - and all of these dead parts were the ones put in parallell.. This is the reason that these battery-sets die fast or at least loose capacity within a year or so- in addition to this :  there is a chip built in ( sort of timer ) which shuts them off after a certain period. I found in some of these sets almost every part fully charged - yet it did not deliver any power if I tried to draw power from the external leads.

@groundloop : one technique to try to bring a dead battery to live again is to apply duble or more of the nominal voltage in a pulsed mode. This could happen here if there are spikes from the motor-brushes. But with the voltage-drop across the motor there will be no more than 12 Volt at the beginning.

I hope you will have success but my knowledge tells me this is a typical obscure bedini-circuit where you need to spend a lot of time for experimenting until you find out the truth about it. I hate wasting time.

Regards

Kator




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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #156 on: November 07, 2008, 02:24:17 AM »
@Kator01,

The purpose of this circuit is not to bring a dead battery to live again.

The purpose is to produce free energy. If this circuit really works and
give us free energy then who cares if some "rules" are broken, eg.
connecting two batteries in series and then in parallel with a third one
through a load.

Groundloop.

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #157 on: November 07, 2008, 06:13:02 AM »
@Groundloop

In your last test, did you try placing a direct lead connection behind the light and wait for the motor to start and then disconnect the lead?  I have had the same experience as David mentioned where after several minutes the Battery 3 would charge up and start the motor, unfortunately it was at the voltage expense of Battery 1&2 so not there yet.

I have ran a couple of tests on different motor configurations and depending on the motor and 12V lamp size I got different results, but none are achieving any meaningful results so far.

From re-reading the early posts David mentioned that when he went back to his old motor everything started working again so I still wonder how many variables from the original design makes this process not work? 

So I'm aiming for an "as close to the original components that David used" at this point so thanks for the motor info you gave us earlier, I'd like to get one of those by next week and the original sized batteries and give that a try.

@ Dbowling

In your earlier posts (Reply #50-2) you mentioned that your friend had replicated your design with no problems and that's when you went back to the original motor, was the motor that you changed from the original that much different?  Or was it the same model but newer? And how about your friend's motor?  Same motor?  New or used? 

Regards,
Paul


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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #158 on: November 07, 2008, 08:35:23 AM »
@Goat,

Yes, I did try to remove the lamp and use a wire instead. My motor did not start. I think my motor
is to big for my small batteries. The only effect I got was draining of the two big batteries and some
voltage gain in my "dead" battery. I agree that the only way to fully replicate this circuit is to use
the same motor and correct sized (ampere) batteries. Then the only unknown variable will be the
"dead" battery, as Kator01 correctly states.

Groundloop.

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #159 on: November 07, 2008, 08:35:46 AM »
@Groundloop

For a couple of hundred Canadian pesos would you be willing to work with David in replicating his original design using as close as possible components, I'll pay for the test.  It would probably cost me more to mess it up anyways  ::)

@Groundloop & Dbowling PM me if you are interested. 

Regards,
Paul

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #160 on: November 07, 2008, 08:42:13 AM »
@Groundloop

Yes the batteries and motor sizes definitely have an effect on the overall circuit, that's why I tried many different variations, they all have different effects, that's why I'm wondering about going towards the original circuit that David and his friend replicated.

Anyways, as I mentioned earlier, I'm here to help you if you need it.

Regards,
Paul

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #161 on: November 07, 2008, 08:51:56 AM »
@Goat,

Thank you for your nice offer. I think I must do more research on the circuit first. I have different batteries and motors to test first. I also have an "800" motor that is very close in design to the CIM motor. This weekend I will try out my 42 ampere batteries. Small steps......

Groundloop.

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #162 on: November 07, 2008, 01:08:09 PM »
Hi groundloop,

you bet I know this but I assume you will kill Bat 1 and 2 in the long run. Even if you will get some free energy for a period would this be cost-effective ? It will also cost two much time to find out. Battery-charge-capacity tests are not an easy thing to do especially because you do not know if it it some free energy or if it is standard recovery-behaviour.

I did a simple test with 3 supercaps ( each 50 Farad, 2.3 Volt ), two fully loaded, one empty.

Motor would run for 15 min and stopped. Voltage-measurement taken over a period of 24 hours across Cap1 +2 ( in series ) and the single cap3 show that charge is lost gradually in both parts. After 3 hours voltage leveled  to 1.37 Volt. Today it is about 1.22 Volt for each part.

Why did i use supecaps ? They are not killed beeing switched in parallell and there are no chemical reactions
involved.

Do I hear the believers of Bedini shout at me : This is exactly the key here to this free-energy-machine, you fool !

Nahh .. nah...

good luck folks

Kator01

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #163 on: November 07, 2008, 05:09:38 PM »
Hi Kator01,

First you should study super capacitors a little bit more. :-)

See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercapacitor

Super capacitor is a electrochemical device.

That said, it is good to see you are doing research. Dynacaps and Supercaps is
great tools in that regard. You can get fast results. I do not agree with you that you will
kill battery 1 and 2. If it is true (as Dbowling is saying) that both batteries in fact
charge when you run the device then battery 1 and 2 will survive.

Regards,
Groundloop.





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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #164 on: November 07, 2008, 06:26:03 PM »
Let me throw one more thing in here. I keep emphasizing that battery 3 needs to be a dead battery, but possibly my definition of a dead battery is not the same as everyone elses. I am very new to this stuff, and spend a lot of time playing around. The battery I use will take a charge, but it will NOT hold it. I could charge it up to 14 volts, but if I let it set overnight, it drops down to very little on the meter. Hope that info helps.

 

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