GDPR and DSGVO law

Storing Cookies (See : http://ec.europa.eu/ipg/basics/legal/cookies/index_en.htm ) help us to bring you our services at overunity.com . If you use this website and our services you declare yourself okay with using cookies .More Infos here:
https://overunity.com/5553/privacy-policy/
If you do not agree with storing cookies, please LEAVE this website now. From the 25th of May 2018, every existing user has to accept the GDPR agreement at first login. If a user is unwilling to accept the GDPR, he should email us and request to erase his account. Many thanks for your understanding.
Amazon Warehouse Deals ! Now even more Deep Discounts ! Check out these great prices on slightly used or just opened once only items.I always buy my gadgets via these great Warehouse deals ! Highly recommended ! Many thanks for supporting OverUnity.com this way.

User Menu

Powerbox

Smartbox

3D Solar

3D Solar Panels

DC2DC converter

Micro JouleThief

FireMatch

FireMatch

CCKnife

CCKnife

CCTool

CCTool

Magpi Magazine

Magpi Magazine Free Rasberry Pi Magazine

Battery Recondition

Battery Recondition

Arduino

Ultracaps

YT Subscribe

Gravity Machines

Tesla-Ebook

Magnet Secrets

Lindemann Video

Navigation

Products

Products

WaterMotor kit

Statistics


  • *Total Posts: 498694
  • *Total Topics: 14779
  • *Online Today: 44
  • *Most Online: 103
(December 19, 2006, 11:27:19 PM)
  • *Users: 6
  • *Guests: 26
  • *Total: 32

Author Topic: Hilsch Vortex Tube Construction (Mechanical to Heat)  (Read 25767 times)

Offline sm0ky2

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3000
Hilsch Vortex Tube Construction (Mechanical to Heat)
« on: April 30, 2008, 07:51:48 AM »
[sorry if i put this in the wrong place, this is the best i could find for it]

This thread will concern a construction design of a Ranque-Hilsch Type vortex air tube.
{disclaimer: There have been a number of websites and public sources that have been cited for using text, graphics, or otherwise copied information of certain copywritten publications. I have extensively studied this technology, its history, and its various construction from numerous sources and have not copied any information from these certain copywritten publications in any way shape or form. The device which is mentioned here is from my own design, using my knowledge and experience from having studied this technology. }

Precautionary Statement:: This device creates extreme temperatures of both Hot and Cold, which may be dangerous if exposed directly to Human Skin, this device is to be used with CAUTION!


Rising interests of this type of device in the public sector, for experimental purposes coupled with the high cost of the devices intended for use in the commercial sector have caused me to invent and post publicly and freely with no restrictions on anyone who wishes to use this information, my own design and construction methods for building this Type of device, hereby named a Ranque-Hilsch Type vortex air tube.

This discussion is not concerning the theories (there are dozens and conflict one another) about the functionality of the device. The fact that it works is good enough for me, im not particularly interested in "how it works". That being said...

The Device consists of 7 main components::

1) The Intake
2) the Block
3) The hot side
4) the cold side
5 & 6) nozzles on each side
7) a Valve for the hot side.


Particular materials will be discussed further in the development of this device, which materials are to be used is completely up to the individual builder. So long as they meet the certain criteria posted here, it should operate as intended, safely and reliably. 

Each of the 7 components will be described here in its entirety, and the construction or obtainability of each component will be discussed.

If you have an interest in building this type of device, you have come to the right place.

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy


Offline sm0ky2

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3000
Re: Hilsch Vortex Tube Construction (Mechanical to Heat)
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2008, 08:06:56 AM »
The Intake::

The intake shall be suitable for transmitting compressed air from an air tank.

the diameter of the Intake (a tube perhaps or a pipe?) should be relatively small in comparison to the Hot or Cold sides.   Smaller to restrict maximum airflow, Larger to increase it. Your needs may vary.
In either case, its going to be small. From an Inkpen size, down to a Paperclip.

It can be any shape, round, square, triangular and the Intake can be from virtually any source, be it decommissioned from something with a hose on it, or buy a small piece, or metal tubing, or whatever you can find for cheap or free is usually the best.

Tolerance: 
The intake needs to be able to withstand at least 110 PSI Air Pressure,  this is an open end system, so the pressure nearer the Block will be considerably less., However you will experience 110 PSI at the Air Tank, so the Intake needs to be able to withstand at least that much.

(note: larger designs may use higher PSI and the Intake Tolerance must be adjusted accordingly.)

Below is my 'artistic' rendition of such a component.





Offline sm0ky2

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3000
Re: Hilsch Vortex Tube Construction (Mechanical to Heat)
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2008, 08:32:29 AM »
The Block is the Main chamber, where the Air is seperated.

The outer shape of the block doesnt matter. It can be any shape you like.

The Block needs to be From 3 to 8 times the diameter of your Intake, Smaller to lower the capacity of the Device, Larger to raise its Capacity  (Air Flow).

The Block Material should be able to withstand at least 110PSI  (or higher depending on your intake presure)
And Temperatures from -40 Degrees F  up to  230 Degrees F  ( -40 - 110 C) -  Devices with greater than 110PSI Intake Pressure, or a high-capacity (AirFlow) may require higher tolerances.



 there will be 2 holes in the Block.

1) for the Intake, and should be sized/shaped to attach the Intake securely, and without leakage (110PSI) to the Block in the appropriate location.
 
2) a Hole through the length of the Block, of the approximate shape shown in the 'artistic' rendition below.

The length-wise hole through the block is of an archish shape, the easiest way to create this is to make a circle, then an arc off one side, and have a straight line connecting the bottom of the arc to the circle.


something like this:: ( ignore my jagged edges and imperfections, it should be as smooth and arcy as possible. like an almost complete spiral loop. then a staight edge. So the air goes around into the circle)
 The intake should come in on the center of the 'flat part' indicated by the arrow
« Last Edit: April 30, 2008, 09:17:00 AM by sm0ky2 »

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: Hilsch Vortex Tube Construction (Mechanical to Heat)
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2008, 08:32:29 AM »
Sponsored links:




Offline sm0ky2

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3000
Re: Hilsch Vortex Tube Construction (Mechanical to Heat)
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2008, 08:36:44 AM »
I will be constructing my Block out of a poured accrylic so i will fashion a cylindrical core in the above shape, to use as a sort of inside of the mold, then pour the block around it. and 'pop' out the core.

Then Drill the hole for the intake.



Offline sm0ky2

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3000
Re: Hilsch Vortex Tube Construction (Mechanical to Heat)
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2008, 09:06:03 AM »
Hot and Cold sides:

The exterior size and shape of the Hot and Cold sides does not matter, it can be any shape you want.

The interior should be Round.
If you look at the shape of the inside of the Block:
The Inside of the hot side should be slightly larger than the entire shape, so that the air comming out can move freely in a whirlwind down the Hot side.

The inside of the Cold side, should be from 1/2 up to the full size of the Hot side.

The Length of the hot and cold sides should be sized by the length of the Block.

The Cold side should be from 3 to 8 Blocks
and the Hot side should be should be from 3 to 8 times the length of the Cold side.

There is a restrictor placed between the Block and the Cold side (or you can seal off the end of the cold side and drill a hole in the center)  - This can be a piece with a hole in it, or a washer, or whatever works.

The Hot and Cold side should be connected such that they do not leak, and should be able to withstand at least 110PSI. As well as Temperatures from -40F to 230F (-40-110C). [or greater to meet your requirements]

i intend to use some sort of piping for the Hot and Cold sides.


Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: Hilsch Vortex Tube Construction (Mechanical to Heat)
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2008, 09:06:03 AM »
Sponsored links:




Offline sm0ky2

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3000
Re: Hilsch Vortex Tube Construction (Mechanical to Heat)
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2008, 09:14:10 AM »
The Valve should be placed near the end of the Hot Side. This valve is intended to adjust the AirFlow of the Hot Side. This functions as the maximum temperature difference adjustment.

Should be sized to function within the inner diameter of the Hot Side. ideally it would allow air to exit from the outer extremeties of the inner diameter. I intend to use a simple plumbing or gas valve fit to the size of my piping for this purpose. These types of valves generally open from only one side, not all around like the ideal situation - however, they should suit the purpose of this device. Its positioning should be mostly 'closed', but adjusted to achieve the desired performance.

The nozzles can be any shape to fit your needs and attached to the ends of both Sides.

Nozzles and Valve should be able to withstand at least 110PSI  and temperatures from -40-230F (-40-110C)

This is the device in its entirety.
Please take a moment to read the additional notes and comments below.

Offline sm0ky2

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3000
Re: Hilsch Vortex Tube Construction (Mechanical to Heat)
« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2008, 09:30:25 AM »
Important:  Anywhere you have cut/ drilled/ or otherwise altered an imperfect inner surface, should be sanded / filed  / polished  as smooth as possible. ANY abbrasions, scratches, or imperfections in the inner surface may drastically alter the efficiency of Thermal Seperation of the compressed medium. (doesnt have to be "air")

Postcautionary Statement:  This Device is intended ONLY for personal construction and/or use, and is intended for experimental purposes only. This device is not intended for commercial use, its quality, durability, or effectiveness may not meet commercial standards for ths type of Device.

Please use caution and safety methods when using this Device, as the extreme temperatures comming out of each Nozzle can be dangerous to you or others, as well as objects placed in the direct stream of the output.

The Intake is designed to Input compressed air (or other medium) at a mininum pressure of 110PSI. The Intake pressure may be increased to meet your requirements, However this should be taken into consideration when constructing your device.

The values given above are for reference when constructing the device, their values or proportions can be adjusted to meet your needs. The values represented are for reference only, the 'most efficient', or 'most effective' sizes or proportions may vary depending on your particular construction and functionality needs.

This Design for thos type of Device is open to the public, and may be constructed by any Individual for experimental purposes.


I Hope you enjoy this Device. Please feel free to provide any additional comments, questions, or suggestions to this thread. And if you build one, pictures and/or informations about your design and its performance is welcomed

Additional 'artistic' renditions of the Hot/Cold sides and the Valve:::

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: Hilsch Vortex Tube Construction (Mechanical to Heat)
« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2008, 09:30:25 AM »
Sponsored links:




Offline sm0ky2

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3000
Re: Hilsch Vortex Tube Construction (Mechanical to Heat)
« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2008, 09:42:29 AM »
My assembled Device will something similar to This:::

Offline fleebell

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 83
    • www.packratworkshop.com
Re: Hilsch Vortex Tube Construction (Mechanical to Heat)
« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2008, 07:06:01 PM »
They also use a lot of compressed air and are not very efficient at all except for their size compared to a regular cooling system..  I have been using one with a lathe for spot cooling for years.

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: Hilsch Vortex Tube Construction (Mechanical to Heat)
« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2008, 07:06:01 PM »
3D Solar Panels

Offline sm0ky2

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3000
Re: Hilsch Vortex Tube Construction (Mechanical to Heat)
« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2008, 03:55:20 AM »
The purpose is this was to be used as part of another system, the idea was such that this tube was to be connected to an Air tank, run by a compessor, and both output ends of the tube fed through an array of Peltier devices, utilizing the temperature difference to run the compressor.

i dont know much about the efficiency of the device, except by observing the data presented by other makers of the device, already on the market.  Nor do i know wether or not such a looped thermal-electro system would be "overunity".

i simply provided a means by which those who want one of these devices can go about making their own to experiment with. - and not have to throw away $150-600 purchasing one .

here is a link to the thread in which it is being discussed.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4571.0.html

Offline einmann

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 4
Re: Hilsch Vortex Tube Construction (Mechanical to Heat)
« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2008, 06:11:37 AM »
 @ Smoey2


 An idea that you ay want to incorperate into your vortex tube is adding expansion chambers on the cold side it does slow down airflow however much colder temps can be reached also the addition of micro tubes will increse the heat on the hot side and increase air flow rate A friend of mines daughter won her science fair utilizing those concepts and a navy scholrship to boot. THe hilsch rngue vortex tube is defiantly a fav of mine.


 John

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: Hilsch Vortex Tube Construction (Mechanical to Heat)
« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2008, 06:11:37 AM »
3D Solar Panels

Offline sm0ky2

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3000
Re: Hilsch Vortex Tube Construction (Mechanical to Heat)
« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2008, 07:16:42 AM »
that's great information John, thanks.

what is the 'micro tube' ? and how would that incorporate into the design above?

expansion on the cold end should be a simple task, im thinking just before the nozzle. have the pipe open into a larger pipe, then concentrate down through the nozzle.  that or a chamber, small pipe off the other end, then the nozzle.


Offline fleebell

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 83
    • www.packratworkshop.com
Re: Hilsch Vortex Tube Construction (Mechanical to Heat)
« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2008, 07:22:49 AM »
 I think it would be a pretty good  way to supply current for charging some batteries, very few moving parts!  Hook one of the compressor type wind turbines  to a tank with a valve that kicks on at a certain psi and runs till it runs low on air and then shuts off.  It would then just cycle on it's own without having to bother with it.  Hook the modules to a charge controller and forget about it except for maintaining the turbine compressor and they can run a long time normally without breakdowns at the slow speed a wind turbine normally turns them. It wouldn't be 'over unity' but it would be green  and would be 'free energy'  once the cost of the materials were paid back.
Lee
www.packratworkshop.com

The purpose is this was to be used as part of another system, the idea was such that this tube was to be connected to an Air tank, run by a compressor, and both output ends of the tube fed through an array of Peltier devices, utilizing the temperature difference to run the compressor.

i dont know much about the efficiency of the device, except by observing the data presented by other makers of the device, already on the market.  Nor do i know wether or not such a looped thermal-electro system would be "overunity".

i simply provided a means by which those who want one of these devices can go about making their own to experiment with. - and not have to throw away $150-600 purchasing one .

here is a link to the thread in which it is being discussed.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4571.0.html

Offline sm0ky2

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3000
Re: Hilsch Vortex Tube Construction (Mechanical to Heat)
« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2008, 07:50:05 AM »
@ fleeball, that seems like a long route to get to where you're going.

wind -> turbine -> compressor -> hilsch tube -> peltier -> battery.

why not just wind turbine -> battery?

Offline fleebell

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 83
    • www.packratworkshop.com
Re: Hilsch Vortex Tube Construction (Mechanical to Heat)
« Reply #14 on: May 01, 2008, 09:29:09 AM »
Well mainly because the setup could use any number of sources for compressed air all at the same time.  I have been working on something like this for a while but  my original plan was to use a small radial air motor to turn an alt.  This would take out some more moving mechanical parts from the equation.  It would allow small wind turbine compressors or other slower sources such as a solar hot water powered compressor to fill the tank before it ever cut in so the power out would be maximum when operating and the batteries would get a better charging setup instead of a little here and a little there...    I'm sorry, I didn't mean to hijack the topic here at all.  I just think the Hilsch tube and peltier modules would work well for this. It wouldn't be a real powerful charger but it should keep a couple of batteries charged for use.... I planned to use the original setup to charge my electric assist trike.  There will be a number of different inputs fed into the charge controller from various projects including a few small savonius turbines and alternators.  I figure if I keep added small power sources they will eventually add up to a real usable supply.
Lee
www.packratworkshop.com


 

OneLink