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Title: ForeverCar
Post by: sm0ky2 on April 28, 2008, 07:54:39 AM
FOREVERCAR ON YouTube !!!!


http://youtube.com/watch?v=bkcn8ZkvKKc (http://youtube.com/watch?v=bkcn8ZkvKKc)

Thread Requested by: pcockriel


Normally i would have a comment or two to say about something this interesting, but im still pondering what i've just seen..........

Title: Re: ForeverCar
Post by: nightlife on April 28, 2008, 08:54:34 AM
Hi smoky, I have watched this video before and I have a lot of questions but I have yet to find a web site that supports it. I am thinking that the car can not actually run for ever with out being recharged. I would think that the generators would aid the amount of miles that it could achieve but I cant see them producing enough to make it self efficient.

 One thing I have noticed is that I have yet to see a electric car that uses pulses of power instead of direct power as they all do. Pulsing the power would help keep the motors cool as well as the back EMF or collapsing fields could be utilized by being fed back to the battery's. I would think this would add to the mileage that could be achieved. Another thing would be adding ventilation ducts that would capture the wind and in return power generators that could also be utilized to charge the battery's. The same with all four wheels, shocks and steering components. Actually any thing that moves could be utilized such as even the seats. Then add solar thermal panels.

 I would love to build one of these cars and some day I may get lucky enough to. I have a 24 foot bus I have been saving to build a electric powered vehicle out of. It is a 94 GMC with a 6.5 diesel and a automatic trans. It is all rebuilt with new paint. I think it would make a excellent candidate.
 I have a problem finding battery's. I want the best and I heard that a company in Europe has them but they are not available to the public yet. I was told that the makers of the Tesla car is involved with them. They are said to be aluminum. Have you heard of them?

 
Title: Re: ForeverCar
Post by: pcockriel on April 28, 2008, 09:05:38 AM
i think an altinator will provide 14.3 volts
if he has a 36 volt drive motor
i think he really only needs 3 altenators charging and 3 running and switch when battery is low
but he has a belt on the rim to spin another charger and plenty of others
i wish i had that car,

well the problem i see in the video is no sound of the motor or car itsself
they play music over it
any suggestions
if someone try to build please post!!
Title: Re: ForeverCar
Post by: pcockriel on April 28, 2008, 09:10:51 AM
well I'm glad the words being spread
this car is amazing to me
i watch it almost daily and wish i had money to build it
Title: Re: ForeverCar
Post by: pcockriel on April 28, 2008, 09:18:12 AM
i bet the cost of lice plates go up after this car gets out...lol
Title: Re: ForeverCar
Post by: sm0ky2 on April 28, 2008, 09:27:31 AM
if i were to attempt something like this, i would have to use a custom body-kit, that (as mentioned above) captures the air and runs it through tubes into turbines instead of the "wind-mills" shown here. This will maximize generation, as well as lower the wind-resistance.

also, there are commercially available electric-generation-braking-systems.
used in the Pruis, the Civic, and a couple other hybrid vehicles. i would have to use those too...

solenoid shock-absorbers, while in theory might add to efficiency, i think they would be more of a cosmetic addition, i probably wouldn't waste time/energy on developing something like that for the tiny gain...

something small, like a feirro.   for cost efficiency i would use deep cycle 12v batteries,

a Test:::  we could calculate how many small DC motors+wind turbines it would take to charge the batteries on a remote control car, at its max speed. and see how long it can run itself for.
vs. the run-time of the car with no turbines attached.
Title: Re: ForeverCar
Post by: pcockriel on April 28, 2008, 08:21:31 PM
i seen a small van on line when i find it ill post the link
i think it verified that this car does work
ill be searching
the other guy used a wind turbine strapped to the side of the mini van , but he ran free to.

great ideas to change the body style above

also in new cars don't they charge when going downhill?
Title: Re: ForeverCar
Post by: pcockriel on April 28, 2008, 08:26:58 PM
i found it ,
its solar panel turbine combo

 http://youtube.com/watch?v=raLgNo0jhys
Title: Re: ForeverCar
Post by: pcockriel on April 28, 2008, 08:47:31 PM
i had to prove to myself that wind alone will pull a vehicle forward
we all know sailing will blow huge ships
anyway  this link was for anyone wanting to see a vehicle powered by wind

http://youtube.com/watch?v=pZ3_JAPpH3

there are other fan driven designs that pull the vehicle forward when wind is blown at it
but maybe this concept will inprove the vehicle

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XRYkIzjmCR4&feature=related
Title: Re: ForeverCar
Post by: kallstrom_74 on April 28, 2008, 11:38:00 PM
this was a funny thing! i walked and thinked today and came to a simular conclusion!...small windpowerd generators (that can deliver good volts and amps) that is sitting under (in the line shaft?) in a "windtunnel" that forces a lot of air from the front and under the car in to the windtunnel to turn the generators, and perhaps have a newman machine in each wheel axel that also loads the batterypack
Title: Re: ForeverCar
Post by: pcockriel on April 29, 2008, 06:55:34 AM
great idea thanks 4 sharing
Title: Re: ForeverCar
Post by: pese on April 30, 2008, 08:02:47 AM
this was a funny thing! i walked and thinked today and came to a simular conclusion!...small windpowerd generators (that can deliver good volts and amps) that is sitting under (in the line shaft?) in a "windtunnel" that forces a lot of air from the front and under the car in to the windtunnel to turn the generators, and perhaps have a newman machine in each wheel axel that also loads the batterypack

EACH air resitance (to the car) wil l the car slow down


more losses than gain !

Pese
Title: Re: ForeverCar
Post by: nightlife on April 30, 2008, 07:35:18 PM
pese, "EACH air resistance (to the car) wil l the car slow down more losses than gain !"

 That may not be true depending how the wind resistance is utilized. Wind resistance can be used to push as well as pulsed power can be utilized to keep the motors cool as well as the collapsing fields and back EMF's can be recovered to recharge batteries.
 There is a lot of things that I have yet to see tried and I think it would be wise to start testing some of those things.
Title: Re: ForeverCar
Post by: nightlife on April 30, 2008, 07:39:59 PM
One of the videos that pcockriel posted http://youtube.com/watch?v=XRYkIzjmCR4&feature=related proves how wind resistance can be utilized to create a push in the oposite direction of the wind.
Title: Re: ForeverCar
Post by: spinner on April 30, 2008, 08:01:56 PM
What's wrong with you, people??? There's a quite normal, petrol driven convertible with a ten-fan equippment, and you're persuming it's a wind-driven???
OMG....  It's scarry.
WTF????
Title: Re: ForeverCar
Post by: nightlife on May 01, 2008, 01:04:16 AM
spinner, it is presumed to be electric driven using the fans to power it and or to recharge the batteries.
Title: Re: ForeverCar
Post by: pcockriel on May 02, 2008, 10:40:22 PM
spinner ..there is more than one vehicle that has proven to save us money and to use wind and solar , lets roll with it
or at least look into it.
Title: Re: ForeverCar
Post by: Scoot9 on May 21, 2008, 06:42:39 PM
it takes crazy things like this to think outside of the box.  there's no dumb ideas, because it can cause someone to think about something that they never would have without watch this video..  go electric............

regards
scoot9
Title: Re: ForeverCar
Post by: ThothTheSecond on July 10, 2008, 08:12:00 PM
Someone mentioned somewhere a problem arising with stop & go traffic, well....

why not add an air compressor to the system that would be charged up with regular driving of the vehicle.  Once in deadly slow traffic, you switch over to the air drive which will then give you the little bumps of movement you need to get through traffic.

Yeah I know, you'd need a huge air tank if you were stuck on the freeway in LA, but hey, just a thought.
Title: Re: ForeverCar
Post by: Area 51 on July 19, 2008, 02:43:27 AM
The fans not turning in stop and go traffic wouldn't matter too much, because the motor isn't "idling" like a gasoline one would. However to eliminate the possibly of running low, a solar panel would do the trick in the daytime.
Title: Re: ForeverCar
Post by: yoyo on July 22, 2008, 07:55:36 AM
this is the dumbest thing i have ever seen out of all the dumb things this is the dumbest
the pinwheels will provide more losses in air resistance than u can gain with charging

maybe u should drive your hybrid car with the brakes on all the time because then the regenerative braking will recharge the battery!

and the video showing the model car moving by the fan blowing the fan is providing the energy it shows nothing except that it is almost as stupid as the other one
Title: Re: ForeverCar
Post by: infringer on October 05, 2008, 08:08:47 PM
Here is the deal ...

Unfortuneately Pese is right ... The more drag the more power you need to move it...

But there is a design which I have thought of a couple of years ago ... With wind...

Anytime you are slowing down it does not matter how much drag you use because your objective is to come to a stop.

Now the tesla roadster uses this in the wheels or axel when breaking they generate energy...

A similar design could be done with wind!

How you ask the answer is simple in all the doors and the front bumper you could have tubes with fans in them that open as soon as the breaks are depressed and close as soon as you step on the gas again. This would generate free power for your car  ...

The maximal efficiantcy that one can get while slowing to a stop  is the maximal additional energy that you can recieve other then the heat losses that you could conserve using the electric motor.

Solar Paint and solar sun roofing or windows would be another way to make your car more efficiant as well.

But yes the amount of drag placed on this design is equal to the amount of energy gained if not less energy.
Title: ForeverCar Infinity Milage per Gallon
Post by: pese on November 08, 2008, 07:17:52 PM
 :-X

SOLAR

Car makers are in the news today, especially
General Motors.

The company appears to be on the verge of running
out of money. It's likely to go bankrupt without
government intervention.

Apparently, two million jobs are tied in one
way or another to GM. Not only that, but countless
billions of dollars in bonds too

One of the ideas is to give GM money for "innovation."

The truth is there's been a lot of innovation in
car making in the last ten years.

The only problem is none of it has shown up on
the production floor. Why the disconnect?

Here's what one man working with high school
students accomplished:

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/348.html
Title: Re: ForeverCar
Post by: myrmex on November 09, 2008, 02:56:27 AM
i had this website a while ago that detailed a solar/wind van made by a guy in the UK

http://www.speedace.info/solar_van.htm

Quote
UK road tax is free!!!  Yes, electric vehicles have to have an excise licence, but it's issued for free.

At the very bottom you also have the list of all the worldwide solar team wich make a nice list of comparative pieces to adapt a normal car to the road , a mix of solar . wind tunneling and braking regeneration is totally possible and probably wouldnt cost that much .
Title: Re: ForeverCar
Post by: g4macdad on April 19, 2009, 02:55:57 PM
this is the dumbest thing i have ever seen out of all the dumb things this is the dumbest
the pinwheels will provide more losses in air resistance than u can gain with charging

maybe u should drive your hybrid car with the brakes on all the time because then the regenerative braking will recharge the battery!

and the video showing the model car moving by the fan blowing the fan is providing the energy it shows nothing except that it is almost as stupid as the other one


I think the dumbest thing one can do, is make a statement as though it is fact, even though it is merely an opinion. Especially a negative one. YOU my friend are DUMB beyond compare. 8)
Title: Re: ForeverCar
Post by: g4macdad on April 19, 2009, 03:03:16 PM
Here is the deal ...

Unfortuneately Pese is right ... The more drag the more power you need to move it...

But there is a design which I have thought of a couple of years ago ... With wind...

Anytime you are slowing down it does not matter how much drag you use because your objective is to come to a stop.

Now the tesla roadster uses this in the wheels or axel when breaking they generate energy...

A similar design could be done with wind!

How you ask the answer is simple in all the doors and the front bumper you could have tubes with fans in them that open as soon as the breaks are depressed and close as soon as you step on the gas again. This would generate free power for your car  ...

The maximal efficiantcy that one can get while slowing to a stop  is the maximal additional energy that you can recieve other then the heat losses that you could conserve using the electric motor.

Solar Paint and solar sun roofing or windows would be another way to make your car more efficiant as well.

But yes the amount of drag placed on this design is equal to the amount of energy gained if not less energy.

Here is the REAL deal....

There is something called momentum. There are also things called hills. I could make positive assumptions all day. But until I KNOW for sure I will assume(by opinion) this thing can put energy back into the batteries. Until you come up with real tested(by you) documentation, I will retain my assumptions.
Title: Re: ForeverCar
Post by: TheNOP on May 26, 2009, 12:40:53 AM
Here is the REAL deal....

There is something called momentum. There are also things called hills. I could make positive assumptions all day. But until I KNOW for sure I will assume(by opinion) this thing can put energy back into the batteries. Until you come up with real tested(by you) documentation, I will retain my assumptions.
when one base himself on physic laws, the only assumption he make are :
he didn't forgot one, or more, of them in his calculations.
or that he did took into account the special cases, where/when they apply.
Title: Re: ForeverCar
Post by: g4macdad on June 01, 2009, 03:40:50 AM
when one base himself on physic laws, the only assumption he make are :
he didn't forgot one, or more, of them in his calculations.
or that he did took into account the special cases, where/when they apply.

The assumption, I can see now, is that this is supposed to be over unity. This is in the electric car forum. That does not imply over unity. All this idea needs to do here is increase milage substantially to be relevant here.
Title: Re: ForeverCar
Post by: TheNOP on June 01, 2009, 05:11:02 AM
The assumption, I can see now, is that this is supposed to be over unity. This is in the electric car forum. That does not imply over unity. All this idea needs to do here is increase milage substantially to be relevant here.
my point is that you can calculate the results without making a bunches of assomptions.
the only assomption you will make at the end is that you didn't forgot anything.

momentum mean the the energy level will stay at same level unless an external force is apply, positively or negatively.
so.
momentum = momentum energy
momentum + drag = need more energy to keep the same velocity.
momentum + drag + hill = depends on the hill angle and the drag, whitch is in function of the velocity.
if drag energy > hill energy then it = still need energy = difference of both energies.
since you still need energy, you won't be able to store any energy back without losing velocity.
like you can see here, what might work in some cases might not work all the time.

the wind drag is in direct relation to the energy used to stay at a fixed velocity.
that mean that for something to work like in the video of reply #13
the natural earth wind blow must always come from the front for it to work.
the wind generated by the fan in that video is not the same as the wind drag on a car.
the wind drag is caused by the velocity of the car, it is not something that happen for free, energy is needed to fight it back.

you don't have to beleive me.
all the force at play can be calculated.
even for the methods used to harness the energy back.
ex: regenerative bracking efficientcy > wind generator efficientcy.

and since the efficientcy of a wind generator is so low, it might not even give enough energy back to fight it own surface drag.
Title: Re: ForeverCar
Post by: sm0ky2 on June 18, 2009, 06:21:13 AM
i think the only important factor is,.. can it get you from point A to point B without costing 26 cents per mile?
Title: Re: ForeverCar
Post by: X00013 on June 18, 2009, 09:39:55 AM
The assumption, I can see now, is that this is supposed to be over unity. This is in the electric car forum. That does not imply over unity. All this idea needs to do here is increase milage substantially to be relevant here.

 Hi gmac, sounds like ur prez. needs u as a spoke person for the auto indus., did u know the best selling mpg us vehicle was sold 20 years ago?, where's ur prez now? quick pikn fites with these people and point ur efforts on the man u wanted president whom at this point aint doing shit but costing me and my kids money!! Hillary would be less US  leadership.
Title: Re: ForeverCar
Post by: X00013 on June 18, 2009, 09:45:11 AM
Man!!!,, I put alot of cus words in that last post, Stefs spell check got me!! Darn it !!!, ( pound the key board), son of a monkey!!,  can i say pusyy phuckor on my big chunt like niphles with my, enuff!!!!