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Offline valveman

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Re: I don't want to sound like a jerk...
« Reply #15 on: May 10, 2006, 02:45:50 AM »
Ok so I enjoy this site cause it's fun to read about people trying to reach the unattainable.
You simply cannot get more out than you put in.  You cannot get even 100% efficiency.
Isn't it funny that nearly all claims show their machine run only for a few seconds and some just show
a computer simulation of how their machine is suppose to work.

If there was anyone who achieved overunity and designed a system to generate more power than put in then
why isn't it out there.

This is a study that has been going on before oil companies so the oil company paranoia doesn't wash.

However, thinking about such things is good mental gymnastics.

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Valveman

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Re: I don't want to sound like a jerk...
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Offline valveman

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Re: I don't want to sound like a jerk...
« Reply #16 on: May 11, 2006, 01:15:36 AM »
>Ok so I enjoy this site cause it's fun to read about people trying to reach the unattainable.
>You simply cannot get more out than you put in.  You cannot get even 100% efficiency.
>Isn't it funny that nearly all claims show their machine run only for a few seconds and some just show
>a computer simulation of how their machine is suppose to work.

Well valveman,  I think you are totally wrong.   I currently have a motor that is running in excess of 500%.   Now where is it.  Well in my case the prototype motor that I built was only producing about .o21 hp.   Now it is impossable to get a fractional hp motor tested, I have checkec all over thre usa.  All test equipment will only test 1/2 hp or better.   I am in the process of building a bigger model now, may take a few more weeks to complete.   I have located a place in Va. that is setup to test the new model.   I think you will be hearing about it soon, or maybe NOT.   I have been working on this thing for over 25 years, night and day.   What makes you think that I would post plans on how to build one on the internet, like giving it away.   Just maybe I would like some pay back for my long hours of work.

An NO.   I am not the only one that has done the impossable.  There are three casses that I can account for that have been done by other people.  I have contacted those people and they are under contract not to talk about them.  They were paid very well.

No I don't send nasty responses.  That just leads to more nasty responses.  Can you clarify what you mean by a motor running in excess of 500%?  In excess of 500% what?  I have lots of motors that run in excess of 500% of something.  If you're saying your motor has a 500% efficiency then I find that to be smoke and magic..  Some make the mistake in thinking their motor runs greater than 100% by looking at only the inductive reactance response and not the important real components such as real current not reactive transfer currents found in resonant circuits.  If you could build a motor or generator that was overunity, then you would only need a small battery to start it and it would continually feed itself and provide power to other loads.  This is not possible.  With friction and Back EFM and a mirid of other energy draining phenomenom, the overunity motor or generator is just a dream.  It does not exist. 

BTW:  Nice to meet you JackH

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Valveman

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Re: I don't want to sound like a jerk...
« Reply #17 on: May 11, 2006, 07:22:41 PM »
Thank you for taking the time to comment JackH.

I've been around a lot of this so I have reason to be skeptical.  If I am proven wrong through some demonstation that proves it's possible, I will be happy to recant.  So far no one has been able to do that.  I don't take things on faith.  I have to see/measure it to believe it.  If you have accomplished this then I think that is terrific.  I however retain the right to be skeptical until shown otherwise.  I truly wish overunity is possible but the many demonstations that I have be involved in were hoaxes.

Cheers,
Valveman

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Re: I don't want to sound like a jerk...
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Offline Elvis Oswald

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Re: I don't want to sound like a jerk...
« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2006, 02:52:21 AM »
Jack - You said that you would not post the plans and give it away.  But you also know that you will never live to sell it because you will be shot... unless you sell the plans to the people that would rather not see it go to market.

So my question is - will you sell out and keep the people of the world in slavery?

I'm sure you are aware of what free energy would mean to the world.  How much would it take to let you sleep at night?

Offline _GonZo_

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Re: I don't want to sound like a jerk...
« Reply #19 on: May 12, 2006, 09:35:36 AM »
Hi Jack,

In this post you say that you were not able to make proper test to your motor as it is too small for test machines.

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I currently have a motor that is running in excess of 500%.   Now where is it.  Well in my case the prototype motor that I built was only producing about .o21 hp.   Now it is impossable to get a fractional hp motor tested, I have checkec all over thre usa.  All test equipment will only test 1/2 hp or better.

But at the same time you are giving data about 500% or 400% eficiency not only there as well in other post:

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HP was tested on a prony brake and the voltage/current was monitored.   Input was 2.2 watts and the output was over 56 watts. At a pull down of around 200 rpm this motor exhibited over 500% efficiency.      I think that means it to be over 400% over unity.

If the testing machines are not able to test your motor, then how can you give this info?

How have you tested it then in order to achieve that conclusion?

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Re: I don't want to sound like a jerk...
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Offline valveman

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Re: I don't want to sound like a jerk...
« Reply #20 on: May 12, 2006, 08:05:37 PM »
I really am enjoying the discussion about unitymotors.  I will try to keep an opened mind.

Valveman
« Last Edit: May 12, 2006, 08:16:42 PM by valveman »

Offline _GonZo_

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Re: I don't want to sound like a jerk...
« Reply #21 on: May 13, 2006, 01:15:32 PM »
I didn't wanted to mean i don't belie you, I am just eskeptical about it.

You know that it is not posible to take out more energy from a system that what you put in or it already has itshelf.

So It is posible that your motor produces 4 or 5 times more energy than the electric energy you are putting in, but it has to be taking energy from somewhere else, even if you do not know where it comes from.

To make a test in an independent source I think is one of the most clever things you can do, not only in orther to prove to others, as well to double check your own test.

Let us know more info about your device, and pictures if posible.

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Offline Elvis Oswald

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Re: I don't want to sound like a jerk...
« Reply #22 on: May 13, 2006, 08:00:50 PM »
Jack - I understand your points.  They do weigh heavy in the equation.  But for me, what free energy would mean to the world is infinitely more important.
The questions I ask myself are - what would I sacrifice for my children?  My grandchildren??  How would the world change for them?
And what about the children and grandchildren of the third-world countries that die from the war and pollution that the oil industry brings?

I don't want my grandchildren growing up being slaves to the global corporations.  But that's what they'll be... and it'll be many times worse for them.  The days of one parent working while the other raises the kids is already gone.  The days of anyone willing to work being able to earn a living-wage are gone too.

Free energy would mean that anyone could sustain themselves.  You could grow food, purify water, heat and cool your environment, and that's just the basics.
With free energy, mankind would be free.

The world is enslaved.  Every one of us - you too.  But you have the key to the shackles.  Do you choose to use it and free us all... or do you trade it to the master for an extra drink of water?

Personally, I'd use the key and we'd all walk down to the stream for a drink.

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Re: I don't want to sound like a jerk...
« Reply #23 on: May 14, 2006, 04:10:34 PM »
Dear JackH,
you are concerned about "8 Watt input",for the other hand
you write about a closed-cycle/loop-system which normally
recycles from the total-output the input-need =net-output!
So you will not have to pay 1 cent to anybody !!!
It could only become technical more complex,eventual bypass-line
and probably DC/AC or/and AC/DC transformation ! 

I please you to differ between physical and technical and really
economical barriers !!!

Sincerely
            de Lanca
 

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Re: I don't want to sound like a jerk...
« Reply #24 on: May 14, 2006, 06:03:39 PM »
Hi JackH,
then what is your buisiness concept ?
When will your device be introduced in the public market
or what is your patent number, so we can have a look at it ?
Many thanks.

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Re: I don't want to sound like a jerk...
« Reply #25 on: May 15, 2006, 01:04:02 AM »
Hi JackH,
Very impressive, thank you.
Seems it's the first real OU motor ever shown on this or others forums.
I believe you have a big future with this project ahead of you, again, congratulations...

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Offline _GonZo_

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Re: I don't want to sound like a jerk...
« Reply #26 on: May 15, 2006, 01:16:36 AM »

_GonZo_  the extra energy is comming from permanent magnets.  It's just that simple.

If you think about a permanent magnet, it in it's self is an overunity or perpetual motion machine.   After it is charged it will almost forever continue to produce a magnetic flow.   Stick up notes on your fridge forever.  There is energy flowing through a permanent magnet 24 hours a day, and in the case of rare earth magnet should continue for over 1000 years.  You can use this energy continuesly and it will allways be there.

All you need to do is figure out how to use it in a motor and you have extra energy for as long as you want it.

As for the energy that is comming from a permanent magnet, nobody has been able to totally explain it.  If you take a permanent magnet, hang it from something, stick a 50 lb weight on it.   Now take an electro magnet(8 watts of energy), do the same thing.  Let them hold this 50 lb weight for about 10 years. Now at the end of that 10 years, whitch one will have cost you the most.    Now the cost of building a permanent magnet and the cost of building an electro magnet are about the same , considering the cost of copper wire and soft magnetic iron.

The permanent magnet will hold the weight for 10 years and cost you nothing but the electric bill for the electro magnet holding the weight will be $$$$.

Now I ask you is the permanent magnet producing free energy?

Later,,,,JackH


Sorry JackH but you are confusing force and energy.

You are trying to convince us that magnets have unlimited stored energy, or can tap unlimited energy from "somewhere". "Just look at those magnets on your refrigerator," "They support themselves, doing work against the force of gravity forever, so they must have infinite energy capability." This is a simple misunderstanding of force and work. A force must move an object to do work on it. The refrigerator magnet's force doesn't move anything, and it does no work.

If you think on it for a second it is the same as saying that a rope that holds a 100Kg weight form the celling has infinite energy... because it is holding that weight for years???? think on it.

Magnetic flow and gravity flow are characteristis of all materials but they ARE NOT energy.

And magnetism from magnets, permanent magets and so on has been study for years there s not much misterious on them.

Sorry but still need a better splanation about your items.

Offline _GonZo_

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Re: I don't want to sound like a jerk...
« Reply #27 on: May 15, 2006, 01:20:02 AM »
Your motors looks really good and really well machined.

If you are doing them hand made, congrratulations the quality looking is impresive.


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Re: I don't want to sound like a jerk...
« Reply #28 on: May 15, 2006, 04:50:18 AM »
Real nice machining on those motors JackH !

I look forward to hearing of your success in the near future with building and marketing these machines.

All the Best!

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Re: I don't want to sound like a jerk...
« Reply #29 on: May 15, 2006, 04:13:06 PM »
There are also more pictures of the Hilden-Brand Magnetic motors.
On this site:
http://www.keelynet.com/energy/hildenbrand.htm

 

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