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Offline tmpcbtc

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This many people can't be this crazy
« on: April 26, 2008, 04:18:47 AM »
Ok,
So I posted a reasonable question on this forum and had my post deleted.
I don't see logically, why, you can't connect two SMOT's in a loop...if a ball is forced upward any distance and then can drop into free fall (as many claim to be true), then why could you not loop the system?
I look at this forum and I see unlimited hope but also, seemingly unlimited folly.

If human beings have not been able to make a working overunity device in all of human history, why would any attempts be successful now?

Look, we don't need an overunity device, people just need an effective way to create power without burning fossil fuels or using nuclear power so we don't all die from the after-effects.

Even with a combination of say solar panels and some kind of bicycle style generator, if you could spend an hour a day riding the bike to generate enough electricity for the day, it would be enough.

Obviously, this must not work in practice, because no one does it.

Or how about a wind generator you could put on your property. This obviously wouldn't work for people in a city.

Obviously, NONE of the ideas talked about on this forum work, or the device in question would be put into production immediately. How long can you all go on talking about nothing?

If anyone here had any kind of system, overunity or not, that could power a house and then some on a daily basis, I would buy it, anyone would buy it. Why doesn't someone focus on a practical system?

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Offline utilitarian

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Re: This many people can't be this crazy
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2008, 05:13:43 AM »
Ok,
So I posted a reasonable question on this forum and had my post deleted.
I don't see logically, why, you can't connect two SMOT's in a loop...if a ball is forced upward any distance and then can drop into free fall (as many claim to be true), then why could you not loop the system?
I look at this forum and I see unlimited hope but also, seemingly unlimited folly.

If human beings have not been able to make a working overunity device in all of human history, why would any attempts be successful now?

Look, we don't need an overunity device, people just need an effective way to create power without burning fossil fuels or using nuclear power so we don't all die from the after-effects.

Even with a combination of say solar panels and some kind of bicycle style generator, if you could spend an hour a day riding the bike to generate enough electricity for the day, it would be enough.

Obviously, this must not work in practice, because no one does it.

Or how about a wind generator you could put on your property. This obviously wouldn't work for people in a city.

Obviously, NONE of the ideas talked about on this forum work, or the device in question would be put into production immediately. How long can you all go on talking about nothing?

If anyone here had any kind of system, overunity or not, that could power a house and then some on a daily basis, I would buy it, anyone would buy it. Why doesn't someone focus on a practical system?

The catch is, the ball is not in freefall when it drops.  The magnets still tug on it, so you cannot do anything useful with the ball until it drops far enough, and then you cannot do anything useful with it because it is too low.  Just try it.  An experiment is worth a million explanations.  A great scientist once said something to the effect of, "If you think you have discovered something revolutionary, something no one else has been able to achieve, stop, review the experiment, and find your mistake."  I think those are wise words.

Solar is still too expensive, and an hour a day of human power is nowhere near enough to provide energy for the rest of the day.  I like the idea of pedaling to power a PC, etc., but it would have to be an efficient laptop, and then, you could only generate just enough to power the laptop - nothing else.

You are right in that there are no working overunity devices.  Maybe you will be the first to discover one.

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Re: This many people can't be this crazy
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2008, 02:16:58 PM »
Howdy,

Your right, in todays world any form of FE/OU would get confiscated by some alphabet soup agency or (worse) some rich industrialist.  There is a time coming soon when they would will be open to these technologies.  This is when the fossil fuel runs out.  Then there is a massive demand for alternative energy products and ideas.  Those of you who know and are in a position to capitalize on this opportunity will become wealthy.  This is the perfect opportunity to start a technology company.  Like in the first days of the automobile, the people who realized that the automobile would be a very good selling product, plus it had service needs, very lucrative.  The Alternative Energy Generator market is looking very lucrative to me.

Lets peek into the future, say in 2023, a couple years after the fossil fuel runs out.  Gasoline is history.  Alternative Energy Generators are providing an increasing share of power generation for homes and businesses.  As the market for power is shifting toward the Alternative Energy Generators from the Centralized Power Generation and Transmission Line Delivery method of supplying energy, we actually see the Power Companies dismantling their old school generators and transmission lines in order to supply copper to the Micro Generator Industry as they call it.  Since the increase of Small Alternative Energy Generator Businesses the small businesses dominate the power generation market because of their free market ingenuity and the power of honest capitalism.  There is a need to install a generator in every home, and maintain it.  This creates a massive influx of technological jobs.  Also this increases to awareness of energy production and all the issues relating to to energy production such as safely utilizing power and environmental concerns.  Our future cars could be reworked gasoline vehicles which burn HHO, or all electric cars like the Tesla Roadster which are all electric and powered by a Alternative Energy Generator.

Again, your right about the technology being 100 years old.  These energy devices work on electrical physics principles and are not about sophistication.  Looks at Tesla's radiant power devices, or Moray's radiant power device, both had pure electrical physics theory down perfectly.  Both devices worked perfectly.  Both totally suppressed.  In Tesla's case more than 100 years old.

You have to keep in mind that we have the future.  Oil is doomed by it's own nature.  Its valuable, so its worth going to war over.  The small scale Alternative Energy Generators are a realistic alternative to oil because when the oil runs out, we can build Alternative Energy Generators with our own hands.  This is a big advantage, ever try to make gasoline?

OK, Mo Later...

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Offline tmpcbtc

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Re: This many people can't be this crazy
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2008, 07:35:06 PM »
I appreciate your responses.

It seems to me, that a lot of people have been able to develop extremely efficient magnet motors/wheels of some kind, none of them overunity, but very efficient.

Ok, so how many watts of power can be produced by a person riding a bicycle-style generator?
If you used a magnetic-bearing wheel of some kind in tandem with human input, couldn't that make an extremely efficient generator?

I see an easy way to end unemployment and produce excess electricity: Make human-energy power plants. I wouldn't mind getting paid for sitting and turning a crank all day.

What is the highest degree of efficiency that anyone has made a human powered generator?

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Re: This many people can't be this crazy
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2008, 12:14:45 AM »
well,
I just bought a bike generator.
Now, I admit I haven't tried it out yet.
(too much stuff in the shed still ;) ).

Now, the manufacturer says that a good average is 200 watts per 45 minutes ride. So, I could ride while I watch a video on a battery operated dvd player or sing along with a battery operated cd player while the led's are burning bright in my place and still have plenty to spare.

We need to practice living with less power wastage. Simple.

It's not going to happen with wall sized HDTV's all over the place, though.

jeanna

IMHO, Anybody that owns a wall sized HDTV IS that crazy.

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Re: This many people can't be this crazy
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2008, 12:31:04 AM »
Well, many people have made self-sustaining power systems.

One of Kurt Vonnegut's sons supposedly lived on the top of a hill in Jamaica with a wind generator.

My roommate knew a man who lived in a community in the South West US where they ran all their appliances on 12Volt power instead of 120....completely self-sustaining.

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Re: This many people can't be this crazy
« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2008, 06:20:34 AM »
Not to rain on the parade, but ANY truly overunity device will not make it to commercial production at humanity's current level of enlightenment.  I state this a a proven fact.

Hmm, define "proven fact."

All I am hearing from you is wild speculations.  The nature of the Internet is such that knowledge is very hard to bottle up.  A perfectly coordinated effort by every single world government and major company to silence free energy inventions is highly far fetched, given they are not at all suppressing free energy research.  This board still operates in full view of every world government and major industry, right?

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Offline tmpcbtc

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Re: This many people can't be this crazy
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2008, 10:24:53 PM »
Well, I registered with this site because there are so many videos on youtube that show working overunity devices (xpensiv's screw motor, smots, that lego one that accelerates really fast, the lutec motor that was on Australian news TV, etc.etc.), and I was wondering about this. If overunity is impossible, why would so many people post fake videos?
Just for a laugh? Is it really that clever or worthwhile to fake something like that?

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Re: This many people can't be this crazy
« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2008, 10:31:20 PM »
Ok, well, since this post remains interesting, I just want to say that the post I said was deleted was not, it just got lost in the piles (the term 'newbie' might be appropriate).

I don't see why people think efficient energy production is so strange. Take the bicycle. In 20 minutes pedalling a bicycle I get somewhere that would take 2 hours of walking, *and* I expend much less energy doing it. Why can't this be applied to energy production?

In my other post I suggest just gearing down a giant wheel connected to a generator with a drive shaft. You get way more rotations/time in the smaller cog that way. Combine that with magnetic or low friction bearings...

I want to create a small version of this idea, but I will need money and time and technical skill/knowledge, things I don't have.

If anyone here has a marketable device though, why not hold an exhibition?

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Offline utilitarian

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Re: This many people can't be this crazy
« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2008, 10:42:49 PM »
Ok, well, since this post remains interesting, I just want to say that the post I said was deleted was not, it just got lost in the piles (the term 'newbie' might be appropriate).

I don't see why people think efficient energy production is so strange. Take the bicycle. In 20 minutes pedalling a bicycle I get somewhere that would take 2 hours of walking, *and* I expend much less energy doing it. Why can't this be applied to energy production?

In my other post I suggest just gearing down a giant wheel connected to a generator with a drive shaft. You get way more rotations/time in the smaller cog that way. Combine that with magnetic or low friction bearings...

I want to create a small version of this idea, but I will need money and time and technical skill/knowledge, things I don't have.

If anyone here has a marketable device though, why not hold an exhibition?

I do not think anyone thinks that efficient energy production is strange.  But bicycling is still less energy out than in, even though it is far more efficient than walking, at least on a paved road.  When you start talking more energy out than in, that is where you start to raise eyebrows.

And Loner, that is alot of IFs.  Right now, every experiment done on HHO shows that it takes more energy to create hydrogen than what you can get out of that hydrogen.  If you have something that shows different, please let us see it and you can win the Nobel prize.

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« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2008, 11:11:57 PM »
Howdy,

I think the terms "Free energy" and "Overunity" are misnomers.  No one here is actually going to break the laws of physics and generate energy from nothingness.  What will happen when someone achieves "Overunity" and gets over 100% efficiency is they will realize that their experiment is receiving extra energy from an unknown source.  Once they identify the unknown source of energy the laws of physics fly back into conformity and there was no more than 100% efficiency.

Finding new forms of energy generation is what this forum is about.  HHO is a new form of motive power, not overunity.  Zero Point Energy draws already existing energy from the seemingly empty empty space, it is not creating or destroying energy.  I suspect that the TPU is able to draw on Zero Point Energy.  I believe that the biggest generator we could ever hope to have is at the center of our solar system, and there are countless ways to utilize the suns power which we have not conceived yet.  I know of at least two theories which state that sun generates highly penetrating electromagnetic radiations which cause gravity on Earth.  In other words, if the Earth quit spinning we would still have gravity, but if the sun were to burn out, no mo gravity....

Thats heavy, dude...

OK, Mo Later...

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Re: This many people can't be this crazy
« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2008, 05:05:32 PM »
Hi guys!

Just my thoughts on this overunity thing.

A lot of people are getting into "overunity", but like what most of us agree here, overunity is still a myth right now.
No one who ever claims overunity has really proven it, but a lot of people, through talking about overunity and doing their
own experiments in their own respective mad-scientist lab, although not really having achieved overunity, have discovered more
efficient ways to utilize or harness energy, which is already a good solid step into energy conservation.  ;D And the mere fact
that people talk about overunity means that we are more aware now of what's going on in our environment and the world (in the energy consumption
view of things).  :D

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Re: This many people can't be this crazy
« Reply #12 on: August 19, 2008, 06:25:13 PM »
Regarding jeanna's bicycle generator that develops 200 watts over a 45 minute ride. I'm certain that the manufacturer meant cumulative energy, which is more like 0.074 watt-seconds continuous energy.

A 200 watt load applied to an efficient  bicycle generator will stop you dead in your tracks.

If any FE device existed, it could be released to the open source disguised as a toy, or could even include batteries as a distraction. Wires, coils, magnets etc. have not been banned and are still widely available.

The MIB myth keeps the FE myth alive and is a convenient excuse. For truth, give it up.

Continually dreaming about something may or may not make it real. A corollary to creative visualization.

 

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