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Author Topic: Peltier + vortex + airpump = possible overunity ?  (Read 9319 times)

Offline sm0ky2

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Re: Peltier + vortex + airpump = possible overunity ?
« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2008, 08:37:24 AM »

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Re: Peltier + vortex + airpump = possible overunity ?
« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2008, 06:41:10 PM »
Hi Everyone!

So many interesting puzzle pieces to play with!!

Sm0ky:  illuminating video! I can see that the vortexx tube gets 3 times more heat air than cold air, If I correctly interpret the information provided, it is 6 cfm for heat air and 2cfm for cold air, out of an 8cfm / 60psi air input. This sound a no-go to create the desired effect with the peltiers, as I need (again IF I correctly interpet the manufacturer?s info) the same amount of heating and cooling, so it keeps correctly (in) balanced in order to create electricity.

Sprocket: I found Archer Quinn website (the one about the god?s sword) some days ago. Where did you see a schematic / detail of the Thermal Accelerator ?  Archer is either crazy, genius, or both. let?s see what happens in June ...

Pese: I visited the link you provided, and searched for more info on Kim Zorzi. I cannot figure out if he actually built his invention. His design is like an artist drawing, which gives me the idea of very early / inspired / but not toroughly studied system.

I got a very big metal stove in my livingroom, which will burn lots of woods this winter. I was also counting on this big wasteful heat source to play with the peltiers.

About the SUN :  What gives more electricity per square inch ? A peltier (maybe with one of its faces placed inside a "solar oven" contraption and the other with an aluminium dissipator, below in the shadow) or a solar panel ? Anyone cares to consider it ? I got 1v / 500mah little solar cells ... they are about twice as big as the peltiers... I Will try this when the peltier arrives.

One other thing: I was playing with the concept of sodium acetate (it's the "miracle" liquid inside the hands warmers). It is a supercooled liquid, that you can heat to 100?C for some minutes, then cool down to ambient temperature, and it will stay liquid until some metal sheet, cable, pin whatever inside the liquid gets stressed (would it work, I wonder, with a flexinol / nitinol wire, so that I could automate the heat release ? - Another thing to try) and then it will start a crystalization process that will generate temperature of around 60?C for minutes (hours?)

I wonder: Could this be used as a heat batery ? As I said, lots of pieces to play with the energy puzzle in different ways :)

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sigmaX

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Re: Peltier + vortex + airpump = possible overunity ?
« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2008, 02:43:12 AM »
@sm0ky2:  Presumption is the mother of all evil - I presumed this was more than a pending patent, so you are correct that it is unlikely to have any commercial applications yet.  I think I am right in presuming that this could be used to maximise cooling as well as heating though - at least that how I read the patent..

@sigmaX:  The patent pdf is available here http://www.surphzup.com/downloads/Thermal_Accelerator_app.pdf.  From what I have read about the vortex tube, the temperature is adjusted using the valve on the 'hot' end.  Also, don't the peltiers have a pretty 'asymmetric' temperature range - I recall reading -50 -> +150, so more hot air might be a good thing...

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Re: Peltier + vortex + airpump = possible overunity ?
« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2008, 02:43:12 AM »
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Re: Peltier + vortex + airpump = possible overunity ?
« Reply #18 on: April 29, 2008, 05:41:35 AM »
peltier devices are based on a simple thermocouple.

the power output is based on the difference in temperature between the two sides. wether one is "more hot" than the other is "cold" is quite frankly irrelevant.

its the total difference between the two that determines your power output.
so equal ammounts of "hot" and "cold" are not necessarily needed to create power.

the problem we run into is that the cold side gets hot - thus decreasing that difference in temperature.
as long as the vortex-tube can maintain that temperature difference, we should be good to go.

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Re: Peltier + vortex + airpump = possible overunity ?
« Reply #19 on: May 01, 2008, 03:57:16 AM »
Ive started a thread, on "how to" go about constructing your own Vortex Tube.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4607.0.html

enjoy


:::::  i've come across this other device, which could take the place of the Peltier, for a higher conversion rating.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alkali-metal_thermal_to_electric_converter

« Last Edit: May 08, 2008, 04:41:14 AM by sm0ky2 »

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Re: Peltier + vortex + airpump = possible overunity ?
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Re: Peltier + vortex + airpump = possible overunity ?
« Reply #20 on: December 22, 2017, 07:39:03 PM »
dear sigmax
why you didn't write about the conclusion of your interesting experiment
please write soon
thank you in advance

 

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