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Offline Motorcoach1

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Re: elemental rod
« Reply #30 on: May 29, 2008, 12:07:53 AM »
@ Zorg , Nice to see you here. It's good to meet people from around the world , I'm In the USA. good luck in your reasearch. 

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Re: elemental rod
« Reply #31 on: May 29, 2008, 09:03:32 AM »
@all

First, I want to state that I have no clue about this tech, or whether it has any basis at all for believability.

I am sorry, but from reading this post from front to back, I have a rant that needs posted here......

Groundloop........ come on. I have seen better quality pictures of items in puffy clouds. You cannot make out enough detail to prove ANYTHING from those photo's posted.

I saw the work of a famous debunker, and laughed my butt off. Not at what he was "debunking", but the evident "logic" behind his work. He never once went and inspected for himself any of the phenomena, he worked only from his laboratory with pictures, movies, and his mental blackboard. He thought it a waste of time to investigate such things.

The problem with this, is every real phenomena can be faked.

Because he did not personally investigate anything, all his "logic" was sheer speculation, and had no more basis and solidity as proof of fakery than a proverbial fart in the wind. Speculation is never proof, it is speculation.

This man, doing what he was doing in trying to state others as liers or fakers without any real proof, was the true lier himself. EVEN IF occasionally he was right.

Now I will be the first to state that there ARE MANY scammers out there, trying to pass of garbage as "new O.U. tech". I however will NOT state that all O.U. techs are a joke. I do not have the proof. The only way to GET the proof, is to examine the tech honestly.

Unfortunately there are as many scammers trying to debunk.

Saying that this or that "blob", or this or that "fuzzy outline" truly IS this or that.... Why if that were true, then everybody jump in amazement, as I have seen giant rabbits and alligators sitting in clouds at 25,000 feet. RUN FOR YOUR LIVES. EEEEK!

Watching a video, and examining fuzzy blown up pics from the video, are ANYTHING BUT proof, of any kind.

Somewhat harsh? It may well be. I just know it is true.

Don't try to make something up, just to prove a preconceived notion. If you do OR don't believe a thing, fine, get some real proof either for or against.

Paul Andrulis

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Re: elemental rod
« Reply #32 on: May 29, 2008, 09:32:33 AM »
@paul

possibly you have right.
possibly its "omly" surpressed or buy from industry (as SEIKO (?) )

The inventio is priciply to "catch" positrons and neutrinos with 2 different rods.
(so it was sayd, years ago.
some guy send me this papers, that shown very professional.
se here

www.stormloader.com/members/pese/rod

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Re: elemental rod
« Reply #33 on: May 29, 2008, 10:46:22 AM »
@pese

It may, it may not, I do not know, and cannot state either way. My questions would rise around charge. Protons have charge, but does a neutrino? (If not, then you would still have a charge imbalance of some kind possibly, which could account for charge flow. I can speculate. ;D )

What I have found in most of the items I have researched, is someone quite like Hutchison.

Namely someone tinkering whom has found something, but has no real clue how it works, or why it does the weird things it does, and therefore rarely can reproduce the exact same effect twice, as it was accidental to begin with, or an attempt to recreate what another accomplished without full understanding of the device. This is twice bad if the original inventor had little clue.

These are generally spotted by people whom make B.S. (Bull Manure, not the degree ;D ) up, to explain their device's method of operation. They would be better off stating "I don't have a clue, but it works". Techno-babble loses one's credibility quite quickly. (Speaking as one quite knowledgeable but using technical words in a  nonsense manner.)

Paul Andrulis


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Re: elemental rod
« Reply #34 on: May 29, 2008, 12:35:15 PM »
@pese

It may, it may not, I do not know, and cannot state either way. My questions would rise around charge. Protons have charge, but does a neutrino? (If not, then you would still have a charge imbalance of some kind possibly, which could account for charge flow. I can speculate. ;D )
 

Paul Andrulis


@Paul,  we all speculate over "unknow" science.
Science that we have half or nothing understand, because
nothing , aor als "part" of the designs are published.
I thin specially an Cooler (Kola) from them is the most
mystery, and nothing heraed afte 1943, (when he is died.
Was he and his knowlges "stolen" from GB- USA or RU-
How is he died?
But ist was an 700 Wat Maschine,
Another from 7,5 KW that workes nearly one year.
Another from 75HP !! For Electric Notor to driv an airpalin (Storch-Fogger).

We know "nothing". The knowledges are "SAVE" covered and it ss not
as sense , for Industry, Working folks, Goverment, Financial buisiness
to make or to have "Free Energy" solong we can "press" out the world
to give oil and other energies that can "selled".

(so -possibly- the knowledges over the  RODs- are "lost" now
Pese

All is possible, we can ony speculate. I will never say.
Tesla car, Clem car, Mazenaue, Coller, Seike, Rods are not working,
from the "at time published physics" its true- it cant work.
But we know all "lows" the will found and develped in future?
The Laws that work on the above inventions? Its to weak that WE know


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Re: elemental rod
« Reply #35 on: May 29, 2008, 05:23:27 PM »
    If we do not know as it works, does not mean, that it cannot work. At this forum people which unknown energy sources have gathered try to study. I do not doubt, that at each of them at home лабаратория in which people hours spend time above studying of alternative energy. Let's state ideas on a principle of work of the device, instead of to find out attitudes. There is such concept as brain storm. I think that everyone know about this concept. I do not doubt that this device работет as well as many other things. Not спроста it keeps a secret, is simple people created them are afraid. Me as the engineer disturbs the growing prices for oil both other energy sources more. And a problem of global warming. Having refused burning oil we though shall a little slow down process of destruction of mankind.
    My opinion: it is necessary to search for ways of recycling of dirty energy. Warm it is dirty energy as any energy, any device or the mechanism allocate heat. 

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Re: elemental rod
« Reply #36 on: May 29, 2008, 07:40:24 PM »
@all

Assuming that it (the device) did work, and the inventor understood what was actually happening, what could be the basic underlying reason?

1. Captured Energy: The device gained charge with the capturing of the particles, from the particles themselves.

2. Stimulated Energy: The impact of the particles released stored energy in the materials of the rods, similar to electricity impacting a material and giving off x-rays or light for example. 

These are the only two I can think of under this assumption.

Assuming the inventor did NOT understand the principle.

1. The rods were electrostatic in nature, drawing ions and/or free electrons from the surrounding air, separating charge due to electric field.

2. The rods managed to separate charge from the ambient background electric field.

3. The rods made in effect a new type of battery, with air as the electrolyte.

(These all may be fantastic or "out there", but we are just speculating aren't we.)

What ideas can you guys come up with?

Paul Andrulis



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Re: elemental rod
« Reply #37 on: May 30, 2008, 02:15:13 AM »
Possibly the inventor have understand. the device
(othe way he cant find the metallurgy og 73 elements.

i read some sources above that years ago, (2004)
its sonds ok, but "stranger" from the actual physics ...
So i am shure its NOT an ekevtrostaic chargeing the nergy
(that cant work.
It mus be another direction (way) that is not conforme
with the "know" laws of physics.
If its so, than i can also belive, that any information over
this will be stopped.

Also ather invention and patents are stopped if the energy
come "free" form "ether" . Evebn german and french invertors
from them i followed most of informations.

If the guys will not mor talk about that , the cause is NOT ,tahat its work not!
Because this work , they have the problems to stop any ptogress in this devices

G.Pese

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Re: elemental rod
« Reply #38 on: May 30, 2008, 07:37:35 PM »
1. Captured Energy
2. Stimulated Energy

These are the only two I can think of under this assumption.
Third one is to assume that law of conservation of energy is flawed, or at least does not apply to aether dynamics. ;)

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Re: elemental rod
« Reply #39 on: May 30, 2008, 08:58:08 PM »
@aleks

True. Even the "laws" are simply rules which are defined by man to explain situations which to our best knowledge do not change. However, man has gotten quite egotistical about what he thinks he absolutely knows.

Paul Andrulis

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Re: elemental rod
« Reply #40 on: June 18, 2008, 09:57:25 AM »
Reading the posts in this thread has been a real kick. I personally know the inventor of the rods, and the person who took the videos. I have 30+ years of electronic experience, and I have tested the rods and can confirm that they are exactly what the inventor claims they are. Why doesn?t the inventor get ?shocked? when he puts his fingers on both rods at the same time? That information and the rod technology, along with the inventor will be buried in the same grave.

The videos were taken over 10 years ago and were not for the purpose of public viewing. How they became public is unknown. The inventor has no interest in producing the rods, one reason being the negative public attitude as displayed by some in this thread, resulting in various threats. I agree with him.

I use to have an attitude that society was basically looking for a better way of life and standard of living. Getting older, I have come to realize that is a myth. Society (and government, business, and etc.) is the way it is because society likes it that way. If they didn?t, they would change it. It?s not a matter that they don?t have the knowledge, it?s been available for over a hundred years. Remember, it was society that persecuted Galileo, harassed Tesla, and the first doctor that performed a heart transplant, and list goes on and on.

As is known, years ago, Stanley Meyers invented and constructed a totally water powered car. A person in the Philippines currently has converted at least a hundred vehicles to run on water only. Has society praised these men for doing this? Has society demanded that their vehicles be converted? Has society held theses people up as environmental heroes? Has the environmental groups picketed and demanded more production of this technology? NO, of course not. They have been harassed and vilified. And the list goes on.

Therefore, I refuse to spend the rest of my life trying to re-invent the wheel as I have previously. Yes, in my younger years I really thought that society and companies wanted the best. As I said earlier, I have learned that is a myth. My resources are now focused on immediate family and friends. Free energy resources are focused solely on my family. I realize that it is a sad commentary, but the truth is the truth, and I can?t change it. I just wish I had this knowledge about society when I was younger. It would have saved me countless resources and disappointment. I grieve over the waste. Over the decades, hundreds, if not thousands of inventors have tried in vain to help society. It just isn?t going to happen on a mass scale.
 
So much for my rambling on??. I truly wish struggling inventors the best!


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Re: elemental rod
« Reply #41 on: June 18, 2008, 04:20:16 PM »
@JustRite...........sure, most of what you say is true.  Many inventions
have been suppressed, many inventors intimidated.

But I think Spock said it best when he said "The needs of the many outweigh
the needs of the few, or the one".

Tell you what I will do........I will put my life on the line for you and your friend!

I have several successful businesses, and have the resources and strategies
to distribute a million of these devices before the governments or oil companies
even knew what was happening! (Which by the way is the ONLY way to distribute
free energy quickly)

Send me privately the instructions to build the
device, and I promise you that I will have a thousand units in homes by the
end of the month!  Ten thousand the next month, A hundred thousand the
month after that, and a million units the month after that!!!!!!!!!

Hell, if I can produce them cheaply enough, I'll even give them away FREE!!!

The problem with the free energy devices I've seen is that they're all one offs,
meaning just one or two working units for show.  You gotta admit, it would be
kinda tough to suppress a technology with one million working units!

I may be killed, I may be sued, I may be jailed.........but I WILL distribute
one million units, this I can PROMISE!

Bobo

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Re: elemental rod
« Reply #42 on: June 18, 2008, 05:02:32 PM »
hello Justrite
and Bobo

i do agree with Bobo this info needs to be put out to the people.
i my self  dont have the money to do any good  but i could use the info to make my owne and  family and freinds. this is not about money this ia about fe to the people of the planet  all can benifit from it  the poor and the rich.
so if you  know or can get the info please do for the people of the world.

GOD Bless to all
wer

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Re: elemental rod
« Reply #43 on: June 18, 2008, 10:56:18 PM »
@bobo
The inventor has no interest in releasing any info. If you were to begin producing the rods, you WILL be killed, sued and/or jailed. All units produced would be confiscated. This I can PROMISE. You apparently don?t know who you are ?up against? when you begin to change the world?s energy paradigm.

@Chef
You said, ?I am always laugh, when peoples talking here about, they are not here because of money, and they dont want earn money on that, they want help to peoples, etc.... Bullshit. I had many hard time in my life,I learned alot in situations, where i saw what peoples capable do if they life in danger, i know myself, and i know how we are working, and what peoples want.?

I couldn?t have said it better myself.

@all
"Free" or "un-metered" energy will never be allowed to the people in mass. Whether you believe it or not, there ARE people who control this world, and energy is the current means they are using to do it. Start producing "free" or "un-metered" energy to the masses and you will die (and all those associated with it) before it gets "off the ground." GUARANTEED!! Just develop it for yourself only, and keep quiet about it if you want to live long enough to enjoy it. Sad situation, but true.

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Re: elemental rod
« Reply #44 on: June 18, 2008, 11:04:43 PM »
@bobo
The inventor has no interest in releasing any info. If you were to begin producing the rods, you WILL be killed, sued and/or jailed. All units produced would be confiscated. This I can PROMISE. You apparently don?t know who you are ?up against? when you begin to change the world?s energy paradigm.

@Chef
You said, ?I am always laugh, when peoples talking here about, they are not here because of money, and they dont want earn money on that, they want help to peoples, etc.... Bullshit. I had many hard time in my life,I learned alot in situations, where i saw what peoples capable do if they life in danger, i know myself, and i know how we are working, and what peoples want.?

I couldn?t have said it better myself.

@all
"Free" or "un-metered" energy will never be allowed to the people in mass. Whether you believe it or not, there ARE people who control this world, and energy is the current means they are using to do it. Start producing "free" or "un-metered" energy to the masses and you will die (and all those associated with it) before it gets "off the ground." GUARANTEED!! Just develop it for yourself only, and keep quiet about it if you want to live long enough to enjoy it. Sad situation, but true.

...and there is the cold hard truth - keep quiet or become a martyr.

Has the inventor ever mentioned anything to the effect that one rod is oriented one way and the other rod the other way or that the rods are opposite in any way?  Perhaps identical materials but produced in different ways such as curring in fields of opposite polarity?

Has the inventor stated anything concerning the way the rods are connected or not conencted to form a circuit?  or differences along this line of thought?
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