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pennies_everywhere

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Re: Magnetic Power Inc - second Patent pending
« Reply #45 on: April 25, 2008, 02:17:42 PM »
@Grumpy sorry but about the only person who didn't get that Hans was a joke was that all time perpetual motion mark: energyman8.  If you dig out the Steorn discusssions you will see that when I first told the ever so sad tale of Hans' 1987 demise that someone immediately made the connection to the first Die Hard movie.  Even with that energyman8 didn't get the joke, and swallowed the silly story of the dear departed Hans, and his master knowledge of scams: hook, line and sinker.  It apparently never dawned on energyman8 that the plot of Die Hard was an elaborate scam to steal bearer bonds under guise of a terrorist attack.

I thought the ruse was a great joke.  Months prior poor energyman8 had been taken by the crooks at GMCC even after others and I warned him that house of cards was going to fall well before it did.  Energyman8 didn't listen and got burned.  Rather than accept responsibility for his poor judgment and the actions of the con men at GMCC, that maroon blamed me for GMCC's demise.  Even after the SEC shut GMCC down, energyman8 still believed the nonsense coming from the company that they were still developing a magic motor. 

A few months after GMCC's crash he began shrill attacks against me on the Steorn board.  Once I told the tale of Hans, energyman8 decided that I wasn't the horrible evil person he had been declaring after all.  I ended the joke by making it incredibly obvious with the introduction of Simon and his 1995 death.  The light bulb finally went on for energyman8 and he decided I was again an evil mistress. 

The amazing thing about the whole episode is how distracted some people became by the notion of the Hans fantasy versus the very simple and direct discussion of Steorn's fantastical claims, and complete lack of evidence for same.  As with anyone claiming to be rewriting current understanding, it was up to Steorn to provide evidence in support of their claims.  Like MPI, they never did.  Like MPI ( which comically claimed to have confirmed Steorn's BS claims in their own labs ), Steorn had nothing.

I don't know what became of energyman8.  But from your silly tirades, it seems you two could be brothers.


Koen1

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Re: Magnetic Power Inc - second Patent pending
« Reply #46 on: April 25, 2008, 02:18:08 PM »
Steorn flopped so bad hardly anyone wants to talk about it even,
and you're having a pissing contest about some prank pulled on their forum,
in a thread that is supposed to be about MPI and their claims...?

I fail to see the relevance.

MPI's claims are slightly similar to the Steorn claims, but where Steorn
tried to go public and the pubilc demonstration flopped and apparently
killed the Steorn hype, MPI is still only making claims and does not
even seem interested in demonstrating their devices publicly...
The rest of the claims and pr they spout is very similar to any other
purveyor of OU claims in the past decades.
But as long as they don't show anything, it's all talk...

Grumpy

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Re: Magnetic Power Inc - second Patent pending
« Reply #47 on: April 25, 2008, 03:35:42 PM »
I was JackFrost on the Steorn Forum.  I spoke to you via email - believe you claimed to be in Atlanta at the time.  It was me who pointed out that you were a man and not a woman.  I know it was a joke.   Youa re twisting what I am saying, so I am done talking.

Bobbotov

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Re: Magnetic Power Inc - second Patent pending
« Reply #48 on: April 25, 2008, 05:44:45 PM »
>But as long as they don't show anything, it's all talk...

Apparently talk can get you a lot of money. Such is the con game.

pennies_everywhere

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Re: Magnetic Power Inc - second Patent pending
« Reply #49 on: April 25, 2008, 05:58:24 PM »
Bobbotov it is indeed.  But it's not just a GENIE, now it's a new and improved POWERGENIE!  It's the miracle device that turns sucker money into cash for Mark and Graham.  If you can't see it that's how you know it's working!

ChileanOne

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Re: Magnetic Power Inc - second Patent pending
« Reply #50 on: April 25, 2008, 06:07:32 PM »
Oh no!

Pennies_everywhere found another forum to torture. That Bitch was the main cause of my late suscription to steorn Forum, I saw no real discussion, just a mud fight, until she left, and I joined just then.

Pennies, One day, not so distant, you are going to have a rough confrontation with the reality of Free Energy. Get your ass prepared!







pennies_everywhere

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Re: Magnetic Power Inc - second Patent pending
« Reply #51 on: April 25, 2008, 06:23:55 PM »
@ChileanOne, today the only reality of Free Energy is that like the proverbial free lunch, there is none.

If someday someone does discover a new energy source, you can bet it won't be Mark Goldes and friends.

You seem to think that I don't like the idea of advancements in science.  Quite to the contrary:  I welcome them.  The difference between advancements and bull shit is that advancements come with verifiable evidence.

Given that Steorn turned out to be just another phony free energy bust, it sounds like my posting saved you a lot of wasted energy.  Why then are you so upset about my postings?

Bobbotov

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Re: Magnetic Power Inc - second Patent pending
« Reply #52 on: April 25, 2008, 06:39:46 PM »
>That Bitch was the main cause of my late suscription to steorn Forum, I saw no real discussion,

Interesting. After two years on the Steorn forum I have seen no real product either and I think that trumps the discussions by a factor of infinity.

ChileanOne

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Re: Magnetic Power Inc - second Patent pending
« Reply #53 on: April 25, 2008, 06:50:55 PM »
The key word in your first phrase was "Today".

I don't really know about Mark Goldes. He seems sincere, and AFAIK he is not rich or has made any fortune by claiming what he says to have. The problems of trying to market something deemed impossible are far beyond obvious. As a third world life scientist, which I am, I have seen many "impossibles" beaten in my rather short life, and in my job, we are currently culturing a very researched microalgae in "impossible" conditions, with a lot of economic revenue.

I accept skepticism and I ask any rational person to be skeptic as a first attitude. But from there to say that anyone claiming free energy must be a scammer, there's a long way.

What you say about Steorn could not be more wrong. I joined the forum and I could not be happier I did. Time will tell. Better, Time will Shout out Loud.

As I said, you'll be having your intelectual ass kicked badly, One Day, not so distant now.




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Re: Magnetic Power Inc - second Patent pending
« Reply #54 on: April 25, 2008, 06:54:33 PM »
>That Bitch was the main cause of my late suscription to steorn Forum, I saw no real discussion,

Interesting. After two years on the Steorn forum I have seen no real product either and I think that trumps the discussions by a factor of infinity.

Well, I admit the open forum is populated mostly by ghosts right now. I am talking about the opportunities and contacts that were generated in that forum, for me.


Bobbotov

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Re: Magnetic Power Inc - second Patent pending
« Reply #55 on: April 25, 2008, 07:06:28 PM »
>Well, I admit the open forum is populated mostly by ghosts right now.

How long can a forum go on when the hosting company chooses not to engage? The focus will stray, people will start yawning and get restless. Steorn has made numerous statements over the past two years that they have not followed through on which by anyone's estimation is a bad business practice.

>I am talking about the opportunities and contacts that were generated in that forum, for me.

What possible opportunities could the Steorn forum provide that could be construed as worthwhile? There is not one bona fide scientist that I can ascertain that believes in this crap. Is it because scientists are really all Luddites at heart as the believers seem to think?


Bobbotov

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Re: Magnetic Power Inc - second Patent pending
« Reply #56 on: April 25, 2008, 07:09:46 PM »
>But from there to say that anyone claiming free energy must be a scammer

After decades of FE claims not one has panned out and many have been proved to be less than honest in their intentions. So from where does one get this exalted state of hope from? Wishful thinking?

Real free energy and believing in free energy are two different things. The first is non existent and the second is an abundance that far exceeds reality.

pennies_everywhere

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Re: Magnetic Power Inc - second Patent pending
« Reply #57 on: April 25, 2008, 07:12:39 PM »
@ChileanOne, since we agree that there is no free energy today, I assume that we also agree that there has never been free energy in the past.  That means that there is no reality of free energy.  You have a future hope for free energy, and for some reason a schadenfreude desire that some future discovery will cause me pain as a price for exercising critical reasoning today.  That's silly and childish.

If you think that there is evidence for free energy, I am happy to discuss what you think you've got.  If your evidence consists of people like Steorn, Joe Newman, Mark Goldes, etc just making claims, that evidence carries no weight.

It's easy enough to find out about Mark Goldes and his running free energy scam.  Do some legwork.

It's easy to market technology that had prior to been considered as impossible:  demonstrate it.  What's hard to market are empty claims. 

The burden of proof for claims that defy current knowledge is on the claimant, period.  The need to provide verifiable evidence for a scientific claim is science 101.  The free energy claimants to a one have never been able to establish verifiable evidence for their claims.  That leaves self-delusion, and intentional fraud as the only options.  In the case of Mark Goldes, the self-contradictions are so many and so massive that self-delusion is beyond consideration.

If you haven't figured out that Steorn was a ruse from the start, that's too bad.  Perhaps when you eventually do accept the truth you will take the experience as a valuable lesson in your ability to self-delude.  Steorn have shown you precisely zero evidence for what they claim.  Recognizing that fact is a matter of basic critical competence.  I will never owe any apologies for thinking clearly.
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