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Author Topic: "New" SMOT idea?  (Read 5206 times)

Offline tmpcbtc

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"New" SMOT idea?
« on: April 25, 2008, 07:50:31 AM »
Ok, so I was reading about the SMOT and I just want to see confirmation on one idea that has not been answered from what I have read.

If you can see the picture of the two smots I drew in MS paint, it seems really simple to get a ball back to the start of the first smot by having two side-by-side.

If the ball can truly be lifted upward as many people seem to attest, and if you could theortically lift a ball up to say 5 inches from a 1 inch starting point, enough to drop free from any magnetic pull, and then run down a curved ramp to the start of a second Smot, with enough speed to get into the channel of the second, go up that ramp and repeat with the first, it would be a closed loop. Right?

Some "skeptics" have said the Smot is perfectly legitimate, in that it can raise a ball up a ramp. If so, why have people not attempted the method I have drawn instead of putting them sequentially?

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"New" SMOT idea?
« on: April 25, 2008, 07:50:31 AM »

Offline utilitarian

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Re: "New" SMOT idea?
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2008, 08:07:15 AM »
Ok, so I was reading about the SMOT and I just want to see confirmation on one idea that has not been answered from what I have read.

If you can see the picture of the two smots I drew in MS paint, it seems really simple to get a ball back to the start of the first smot by having two side-by-side.

If the ball can truly be lifted upward as many people seem to attest, and if you could theortically lift a ball up to say 5 inches from a 1 inch starting point, enough to drop free from any magnetic pull, and then run down a curved ramp to the start of a second Smot, with enough speed to get into the channel of the second, go up that ramp and repeat with the first, it would be a closed loop. Right?

Some "skeptics" have said the Smot is perfectly legitimate, in that it can raise a ball up a ramp. If so, why have people not attempted the method I have drawn instead of putting them sequentially?

You want to raise the ball 5 inches?  I have not seen that, but good luck.

Offline AbbaRue

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Re: "New" SMOT idea?
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2008, 08:20:26 AM »
The age old problem with the smot;
To keep the ball rolling up the hill the magnetic pull has to keep increasing as you go along.
Once you get to the end of the smot the pull of the magnet is very strong and no one has found a way
to escape the pull of the last magnet. It always pulls the ball back again so it can't drop to the next smot.

This goes for the other similar devices like magnetic wheels. 
You will always notice the driving magnetic field is pulled away as you get to the end.

If one could discover a magnetic shield which could fall in place just as the ball reaches the last magnet.

Always keep in mind the thought of a magnetic bearing, which is almost frictionless.
Spin something in a magnetic bearing and it will spin for hours without stopping. 
Many of these magnetic motors are just fancy examples of one, hidden in all the technology.
This is what deceives people into thinking they found a new source of energy.

The proof of a true magnetic power source will be to have the device speed up as it runs, and not just keep running.

Find a magnetic shield so the ball will drop to the next smot and you have found the answer.


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Re: "New" SMOT idea?
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2008, 08:20:26 AM »
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Offline Koen1

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Re: "New" SMOT idea?
« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2008, 01:11:23 PM »
why have people not attempted the method I have drawn instead of putting them sequentially?

Do you really think people have not tried that?
I have, in any case.
The problem I experienced was that:
-  either you have to pull the ball back from the
ramp entry point a little, so that you feel the magnetic attraction pulling on the
ball, and then when you let it go it will roll up the ramp and "shoot" off the other end,
and this only works when using that "magnetic spring effect" so you need to input
energy by pulling the ball back, which is obviously not possible in a continuously
rolling version
- or you place the ball in front of the track entry point and let it go, where again you
can feel the pull on the ball, but now without the added "spring effect" the ball gets stuck
at the end of the track, does not roll off it, simply because the magnetic attraction at that
point is strongest of any place on the entire track.

A sequential version, which is actually not at all different from the setup you proposed,
must do without the actual manual backpull, and without the manual insertion of the
ball in the magnetic field; instead, it must either somehow produce this backpull which
no version I have ever seen actually does, so the entire "spring effect" is not applicable
in any such sequential version (that I have seen designs of), or it must overcome the
magnetic attraction at the high end of the ramp, which is quite difficult as that is the
very point where the magnetic field is strongest; adding magnets to pull the ball away
from that spot messes up the nice increasing flux zones that make the ball roll up
the ramp in the first place, so that doesn't work...
Perhaps with some very ingenious alterations and magnet placement and shielding
it could be possible to make the ball drop from the high point, and as soon as that
is done any number of ramps can be added in sequence to complete the loop.
But that is more difficult than it would seem... ;)

Offline tmpcbtc

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Re: "New" SMOT idea?
« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2008, 10:23:12 PM »
I am certain that every possible method has been attempted and I'm sure they have all failed, but...

<a href="http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/s102jln.htm"> smot link </a>

This ^ clearly shows the ball going through two angled SMOTs in a straight line. If the ball can go up a ramp, of any degree, and then fall off, then what I described should be possible.

I also read somewhere that some company made a 2 footer, which would make the end of the ramp considerably higher than the short ones depicted in the link above.

I mean, in any SMOT video you see, the ball clearly exits the end of the channel.

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« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2008, 10:23:12 PM »
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Offline utilitarian

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Re: "New" SMOT idea?
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2008, 10:30:58 PM »
I am certain that every possible method has been attempted and I'm sure they have all failed, but...

<a href="http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/s102jln.htm"> smot link </a>

This ^ clearly shows the ball going through two angled SMOTs in a straight line. If the ball can go up a ramp, of any degree, and then fall off, then what I described should be possible.

I also read somewhere that some company made a 2 footer, which would make the end of the ramp considerably higher than the short ones depicted in the link above.

I mean, in any SMOT video you see, the ball clearly exits the end of the channel.

With every smot, the ball always ends up having to drop lower than the vertical point from which it started, so you cannot gain anything by using the smot.  You are literally just better off leaving the ball where it is.

Offline tmpcbtc

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Re: "New" SMOT idea?
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2008, 10:48:22 PM »
If the ball goes "up" the ramp, it would only fall below the point it started at if you didn't catch it at a higher elevation...right?

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Re: "New" SMOT idea?
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2008, 04:48:34 AM »
If one could discover a magnetic shield which could fall in place just as the ball reaches the last magnet.

Always keep in mind the thought of a magnetic bearing, which is almost frictionless.
Spin something in a magnetic bearing and it will spin for hours without stopping. 
Many of these magnetic motors are just fancy examples of one, hidden in all the technology.
This is what deceives people into thinking they found a new source of energy.

The proof of a true magnetic power source will be to have the device speed up as it runs, and not just keep running.

Find a magnetic shield so the ball will drop to the next smot and you have found the answer.


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Ok, so I have two questions...what's so difficult about shielding just the ends of a SMOT bar magnet?

Second, if you could make a wheel that would spin, x (1,000-10,000, more?) rotations with one push and could be hooked up to coils to produce electricity, why couldn't a person just push it once and a while to keep it spinning? (Magnetic drag/friction from coils?)

I really have no background in physics or the technical aspects of any of this mind you.

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Re: "New" SMOT idea?
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2008, 04:53:55 AM »
If the ball goes "up" the ramp, it would only fall below the point it started at if you didn't catch it at a higher elevation...right?

That is incorrect.  After the drop, the ball must end up lower than where it started in order to be free of the magnetic pull and be ready to enter the next smot.  This is why a chain of smots does not work, and also why your idea cannot work.

So currently, if you want to preserve energy, you are better off leaving the ball alone than having it travel through the smot (it will have more potential energy if left be).

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Re: "New" SMOT idea?
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2008, 04:53:55 AM »
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