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Author Topic: Finaly someone did it..  (Read 9812 times)

Offline shruggedatlas

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Re: Finaly someone did it..
« Reply #15 on: April 22, 2008, 01:04:27 AM »
I think you guys underestimate greed.  If one person had free energy technology, there would be a monopoly.  So the energy would not be sold on the cheap, it would just be a little less expensive than oil, etc.  There is enormous pressure on people to make money, and to assert that someone would just sit on this technology and not exploit it is naive.

Name one time this has ever happened in the history of the world.  Look at another vital resource, even more vital than energy - water.  We have perfected the delivery of water to the point where the monthly cost is minimal - it is almost free.  Look at communication.  With the Internet, communication worldwide is almost free, where before it could cost a substantial amount to send a package or to make a phone call.  Why have the telecommunications companies not suppressed the Internet?
« Last Edit: April 22, 2008, 07:30:15 AM by shruggedatlas »

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Re: Finaly someone did it..
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Re: Finaly someone did it..
« Reply #16 on: April 22, 2008, 09:20:34 AM »
I think you guys underestimate greed.  If one person had free energy technology, there would be a monopoly.  So the energy would not be sold on the cheap, it would just be a little less expensive than oil, etc.  There is enormous pressure on people to make money, and to assert that someone would just sit on this technology and not exploit it is naive.

Name one time this has ever happened in the history of the world.  Look at another vital resource, even more vital than energy - water.  We have perfected the delivery of water to the point where the monthly cost is minimal - it is almost free.  Look at communication.  With the Internet, communication worldwide is almost free, where before it could cost a substantial amount to send a package or to make a phone call.  Why have the telecommunications companies not suppressed the Internet?

@shruggedatlas
I honestly believe,that more and more people look at the TV and whatching reports on war,and will not wait another 100 years,till the time of freedom and peace vor every individual in the world will become reality.
Since international news and information becomes a dayly available potion of shit,that one have to eat,since this time the
disgust  against warfighting Politicians and their surrounding groups including all hidden clubs and illuminanti masons is growing up.
People loose their interest in Profit against all humankind.
People like you and i and all others here like to sit together,have a beer or enjoy live in another way,but are not interestet in fight agaist eachother.Why should we do that? There is no need to be evil.
I have been working in Israel and had many man and wifes become just my friends.I know,this people are not evil.
But their Goverment force them to do things that are evil. Later I was working with Palestines and see them as nice and good peoples and had many friends of them.They are not evil too.
I know,that the americans are good people,but i think,that the devil himselve is guiding the politicians and policemen to fight agaist the folks.But dont worry,i think,that the Devil has his Brothers in nearly all governments.Including in my own country. Here you can see many families sleeping on the roads,eating dirt and share a newspaper to cover themselves against the cold themperatures.They try to keep alive just like animals,while the politicians share their schampain and kaviar.
So it needs the Inventors to find a way out of the misery.
To me it is no question,why more and more people share their findings and inventions open source and free available to everyone who is interestet to make use of it.
They all want to make the world become a better place.
The internet is the tool for a better future.
 And it is protected by their owners,who become monopolised companies. They want to keep their profits go on ,because
in these days big buisness is adicted to internet,as the news industries and the strukture for manipulation is it.

The telecommunications companies will not supress themselves and cut their own buisness.

Think about it.

I think at the 20th of June, we will see the things go on.
Till this date my frame will be build all ready.

helmut

p.s.: This link might show just another key to a better world

http://www.surphzup.com/index.html



« Last Edit: April 22, 2008, 01:38:30 PM by helmut »

Offline poopypantallons

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Re: Finaly someone did it..
« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2008, 12:22:33 AM »
The Internet was released by the government not the people. I believe Al Gore said he didt.....lol yeah right.
Anyway I believe greed has a factor. Here's what happens...

I create an Adams motor generator or any motor that runs on 12v DC that draws 200ma.
It generates 12v at 2A.
I use the design to build a bigger one. 24v DC source 400ma draw which generates 24v at 10A. (yeah right)
I publish the design/specs/drawings/material sources to the world/internet freely for everyone, even here on this website. (What a nice guy huh?)
2 million people replicate.......
One person/business patents it....
It is now illegal for me to use my creation and illegal for anyone else.
I go to jail for refusing to stop using my invention.
End of story.

So i'm pretty sure if the Power Industry doesn't stop it, some greed will. I'm still new to this but that's the pattern I see. An idea comes to light and suddenly, it's gone. Some may be fraud but i'm sure somewhere there are a few authentic working devices that have fallen into the mess of greed or conspiracy.

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Re: Finaly someone did it..
« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2008, 12:22:33 AM »
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Offline shruggedatlas

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Re: Finaly someone did it..
« Reply #18 on: May 08, 2008, 03:21:20 AM »
The Internet was released by the government not the people. I believe Al Gore said he didt.....lol yeah right.
Anyway I believe greed has a factor. Here's what happens...

I create an Adams motor generator or any motor that runs on 12v DC that draws 200ma.
It generates 12v at 2A.
I use the design to build a bigger one. 24v DC source 400ma draw which generates 24v at 10A. (yeah right)
I publish the design/specs/drawings/material sources to the world/internet freely for everyone, even here on this website. (What a nice guy huh?)
2 million people replicate.......
One person/business patents it....
It is now illegal for me to use my creation and illegal for anyone else.
I go to jail for refusing to stop using my invention.
End of story.

So i'm pretty sure if the Power Industry doesn't stop it, some greed will. I'm still new to this but that's the pattern I see. An idea comes to light and suddenly, it's gone. Some may be fraud but i'm sure somewhere there are a few authentic working devices that have fallen into the mess of greed or conspiracy.

There is a flaw in your analysis.  Once an invention is published, it cannot be patented.  The lone exception in the US is, and I believe this is still correct, the inventor can publish his own plans first and has one year to patent his own invention after that.

And even if something is patented, that is still not the end of it.  Patent is good for 20 and that is all.   I see some people talking about suppression of inventions from much farther back than that.

One final point, even if something is patented, so what?  Do you know how much patent infringement is going on out there?  Especially internationally.  It is phenomenally expensive to protect a patent through litigation.  Sure, some companies have these kinds of funds, but many do not.

Anyway, has anyone here actually heard of an energy company suing to protect a patent on a free energy device?  Anyone?  Even once in the history of patent law.  Pleadings are a matter of public record.  Anyone?

Offline Elisha

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Re: Finaly someone did it..
« Reply #19 on: May 08, 2008, 03:30:04 AM »
All this history sound like a big lie, just another bad input output measure.

That is the web page.

http://www.lutec.com.au/

The last new is from 2006, today is 2008 2 year and nothing in the market, then this must to be false.

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Re: Finaly someone did it..
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Re: Finaly someone did it..
« Reply #20 on: May 16, 2008, 09:55:42 PM »
      I'm going to try a hybrid dc motor and unipolar generator with as much of bruce de palma's insites as possible. correct me if im wrong but I think the unipolar cannot run itslef with its own power because the effect is not receprocative which means ill need to incorporate a dc motor on the shaft to use at least part of the generated powere. will definately be a pulsed dc motor also. any input from you guys would be greatly appreciated. Also is there a reason most people use copper disks instead of aluminum, like an advantage I dont know about?

Offline Charlie_V

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Re: Finaly someone did it..
« Reply #21 on: May 17, 2008, 06:00:57 AM »
Faraday disc generators/motors (the homopolar motor) suffer from back EMF/back torque just like all the others.  Build one, short the leads, and try to turn it, you will feel a force opposing you.  Its because if you apply current to a homopolar machine, it will spin.  But the spin direction is such that it makes the machine build a voltage that cancels out the applied source (well nearly cancels it out - under no load conditions).  You place a load on the machine, you get a slip and the battery must constantly input energy.

The same goes for generator mode.  You spin the homopolar machine and a voltage is produced.  Connecting it to a load makes current flow through the machine in such a way that the flowing current creates a force that opposes your applied force - making it hard to spin.

I will say that Faraday disc machines are really neat, they almost have a mystical feel to them.  I had an idea for a hybrid Faraday disc/synchronous machine mix but its very complicated to build (getting the positioning just right and establishing good contacts is an absolute nightmare!)  I started to build it but stopped.  I'd disclose it but I just don't feel comfortable with disclosing my ideas publicly.  Its nice giving to the world but the world won't give back, and I have a family to feed!

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Offline Lakes

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Re: Finaly someone did it..
« Reply #22 on: May 17, 2008, 11:03:06 AM »
Water falls from the sky, yet you still have to pay the water company....

Even if there was "free" energy" the government would just slap some sort of Energy tax on it and then have inspectors to check on you etc...

Offline khabe

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Re: Finaly someone did it..
« Reply #23 on: May 17, 2008, 03:42:36 PM »
When big machine like factory made then why small wheel fluttering? Where he made this monstrum - in this dark camarilla? OK but then why not  to install this only visible moving part correctly.
Not ably?
H.K.

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