Author Topic: Roll on the 20th June (Read 1920707 times)

CLaNZeR · « **Reply #135 on:** May 02, 2008, 08:41:50 PM »

Quote from: helmut on May 02, 2008, 08:30:05 PM

What we have learnd the last days is,that a heavy Wheel can be brought in motion
with just a fracture of the Wheel Weight.
So it might be possible,that the Stack of big Discs can be shiftet together ore streched,so they
are on the Pic with gaps between eachother.This funktion might result the overbalanced situation.

Hi Helmut

If we are simply back to shifting weights then this design is nothing new and tried many times.
I am intrigued to see the mechanism that Archer shifts that weight with very little energy, this is the key it seems.

I do not think anyone will dispute the fact that a little weight can shift a bigger mass. A good example is placing a Metal bar under a car with the pivot in the middle. You would push down with your body weight and not lift the car. Now move the pivot inwards so it is near the car and your body weight leaning on that bar will lift that car.

Exciting times ahead I reckon.

Come on Archer more teasers please.

Cheers

Sean.

oak · « **Reply #136 on:** May 02, 2008, 08:57:53 PM »

Sean, are you suggesting maybe the disks (weights) slide on the rod?

In any case, as you say, we need to know more how he shifts weight with low energy.

Still the wee hours of tomorrow morning in Oz . . .

SolidCore · « **Reply #137 on:** May 02, 2008, 10:10:46 PM »

Hey guys, I'm new

I'd like to say that I'm very excited with the 20th of june announcement, and that I dearly hope that this device does do what the developer says it will and that the goverment and the oil industrys collapse over the pressure, I want to see a better world where everyone and everybody lives in an equal way, I don't like to see poverty in countries like India as much as I don't like to see a rich guy wielding a golf club outside of a dubai world's island... that to me is really disgusting (no one person needs all of that).

About myself, I'm a PHP/SQL Programmer, Aged 21, Male, Living in the United Kingdom. I'm far from ignorant unlike most young adults and therefor like to present my respect and appreciation for the level of work and investigation and ideas presented at OverUnity, I never was good at science, my CC Grade GCSE proves that

I did test the concept of a weight on one of the fan blades, and Yes it almost reaches the top of the other side. If only there was a way to bounce the fan blade over the top...

Heres my idea.... this could work???

We attach a metal pole sticking out of oneoft he fan blades, and face this against a circular track, the track allows for a one way direction only using magnets that repell the pole containing magnet that is also repelling the magnets in the track. where as the fan blade slides past 6'o'clock the pole sticking of of the blade is locked past a 'no return' point by the magnetic push and therefor slides the fan blade up and over the midnight position.

So my theory is that you could build a half track of magnets that are in no way would allow the magnet any rights to go backwards, pushing it over the top, it would have to slip inside of the track (slide into drop into) and therefor be physicaly not be allowed to bounce out of the system, once in, there is no doubt extreme pressure and flys back over the top.

It's just an idea, don't flame me for it.

Regards.
SolidCore

CLaNZeR · « **Reply #138 on:** May 02, 2008, 10:14:54 PM »

Quote from: oak on May 02, 2008, 08:57:53 PM

Sean, are you suggesting maybe the disks (weights) slide on the rod?

In any case, as you say, we need to know more how he shifts weight with low energy.

Still the wee hours of tomorrow morning in Oz . . .

Hi Ed

Archer will probably correct me, but I think the basic setup is the same as many other gravity machines that have been around in the past.

At 1 O'Clock displace the balance by moving the weight out and it will drop the rotor down to 6-7 O'Clock. Then at 6-7 O'Clock bring the balance back to normal and then displace the balance back at 1 O'Clock.

As you have said the secret to be revealed is how to do that using less energy to reset the balance than to un-balance the unit.

Maybe moving to OZ is the answer! could do with some nice weather

Nice to see you still around mate.

Cheers

Sean.

SolidCore · « **Reply #139 on:** May 02, 2008, 10:19:24 PM »

Quote from: CLaNZeR on May 02, 2008, 10:14:54 PM

At 1 O'Clock displace the balance by moving the weight out and it will drop the rotor down to 6-7 O'Clock. Then at 6-7 O'Clock bring the balance back to normal and then displace the balance back at 1 O'Clock.

I have been sitting here with the fan and weight for a few minutes and decided to give that a try previous to my 1st post.. do you mean at the point it reaches 6-7o'clock gently rotate the device so that in theory it gives it an easier ride to fly over the top?

Well I tried and it succedes going back to the start ... however it would need to be on some kind of track system so that it flys back to the beginning once the weight reaches the top... and there is probably extra momentom in my arms trying to achieve this... so it doesnt really prove anything for me... so i too think thats one possibility if im right in saying thats what you mean sean.

Has anyone suggested using WATER? as a weight... and what it could achieve in this kind of system?

CLaNZeR · « **Reply #140 on:** May 02, 2008, 10:49:43 PM »

Quote from: SolidCore on May 02, 2008, 10:19:24 PM

I have been sitting here with the fan and weight for a few minutes and decided to give that a try previous to my 1st post.. do you mean at the point it reaches 6-7o'clock gently rotate the device so that in theory it gives it an easier ride to fly over the top?

Well I tried and it succedes going back to the start ... however it would need to be on some kind of track system so that it flys back to the beginning once the weight reaches the top... and there is probably extra momentom in my arms trying to achieve this... so it doesnt really prove anything for me... so i too think thats one possibility if im right in saying thats what you mean sean.

Has anyone suggested using WATER? as a weight... and what it could achieve in this kind of system?

Hi SolidCore

If you have a wheel with 12 arms that are all balanced and the arms are on sliders, then by moving the arm at 1 O'Clock outwards you create a in-balance and enough torque to bring the wheel down to 6-7 O'Clock.

There are many ways of doing this, but the issue is that you have to reset the arm at 6-7 O'Clock and also pull the arm out at 1 O'Clock to get it to do the next cycle.

This all takes energy and the main question is whether you can produce enough energy from the 180 degree rotation of the wheel after this in-balance has taken place to reset both points. If you can then you have the secret key that Archer claims to have.

For example you could place buckets on each arm and drip feed water into the 1 O'Clock bucket. Eventually there will be enough water to in-balance the wheel and it will rotate downwards, emptying the water on the way, that then removes the inbalance. But for the next arm at 1 O'Clock you need to have enough energy to re-fill the bucket. Can the motion of the falling wheel create enough energy in that 180 degree drop to pump enough water back to the top?

Cheers

Sean.

Rusty_Springs · « **Reply #141 on:** May 02, 2008, 10:53:26 PM »

Hi All
I was wondering if his changing the plan of the rotation to keep the rotor moving, for instance if you let a rotorarm with a weight on it drop from 1 and as its dropping you change the plan of your system to horizontal the rotorarm will spin around two time but if you bring it back to vertical at the right time then your wieghted rotorarm will be at 1 again ready to start the process again.
In other words going from vertical to horizontal and back againn keeps the rotation going, I maybe wrong but this is how I can see you would follow the curve.
Take Care All
Graham

CLaNZeR · « **Reply #142 on:** May 02, 2008, 10:57:41 PM »

Quote from: Rusty_Springs on May 02, 2008, 10:53:26 PM

Hi All
I was wondering if his changing the plan of the rotation to keep the rotor moving, for instance if you let a rotorarm with a weight on it drop from 1 and as its dropping you change the plan of your system to horizontal the rotorarm will spin around two time but if you bring it back to vertical at the right time then your wieghted rotorarm will be at 1 again ready to start the process again.
In other words going from vertical to horizontal and back againn keeps the rotation going, I maybe wrong but this is how I can see you would follow the curve.
Take Care All
Graham

Hi Graham

Good thought mate, but it would take friction and energy to make these adjustments. Unless we are using gravity to create that energy?.

umm you got me thinking now

Cheers

Sean.

CLaNZeR · « **Reply #143 on:** May 02, 2008, 11:07:00 PM »

Just noticed that the needles on my Avatar ICON show 1 and 7 O'Clock, that is spooky hehe

oak · « **Reply #144 on:** May 02, 2008, 11:13:34 PM »

Quote from: CLaNZeR on May 02, 2008, 10:57:41 PM

Quote from: Rusty_Springs on May 02, 2008, 10:53:26 PM
Hi All
I was wondering if his changing the plan of the rotation to keep the rotor moving, for instance if you let a rotorarm with a weight on it drop from 1 and as its dropping you change the plan of your system to horizontal the rotorarm will spin around two time but if you bring it back to vertical at the right time then your wieghted rotorarm will be at 1 again ready to start the process again.
In other words going from vertical to horizontal and back againn keeps the rotation going, I maybe wrong but this is how I can see you would follow the curve.
Take Care All
Graham

Hi Graham

Good thought mate, but it would take friction and energy to make these adjustments. Unless we are using gravity to create that energy?.

umm you got me thinking now

Cheers

Sean.

I can't imagine how this could work. It would seem to require much more energy to change the plane of rotation of the device than to move a small weight (relative to the entire mass of the flywheel) from one location to the opposite location.

Archer did suggest, or at least strongly hint, that the weight being moved from one location to another is small compared to the overall weight of the total rotating mass. It is the relatively large momentum of the rotating mass that supposedly allows you to do that (however it is you do it!).

CLaNZeR · « **Reply #145 on:** May 02, 2008, 11:15:14 PM »

Quote from: CLaNZeR on May 02, 2008, 07:31:48 PM

Are these simply sliding weights?

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/driveh2.jpg)

Cheers

Sean.

If these are simply weights, notice the left hand side one is obviously smaller.But same count disks.

Could a liquid be applied to this arrangement that will disperse within a given time frame?

So many wild ideas ummmmm

CLaNZeR · « **Reply #146 on:** May 02, 2008, 11:19:34 PM »

Quote from: oak on May 02, 2008, 11:13:34 PM

I can't imagine how this could work. It would seem to require much more energy to change the plane of rotation of the device than to move a small weight (relative to the entire mass of the flywheel) from one location to the opposite location.

Archer did suggest, or at least strongly hint, that the weight being moved from one location to another is small compared to the overall weight of the total rotating mass. It is the relatively large momentum of the rotating mass that supposedly allows you to do that (however it is you do it!).

If using the energy of the turning mass then I would agree, but if using a energy that is also present such as gravity, then surley it is just a matter of alignment and placement and then hence letting gravity do it's natural thing.

You would of thought we would be tired of guessing games by now

, but all part of the fun!

xbww · « **Reply #147 on:** May 02, 2008, 11:22:14 PM »

After following this topic and reading Archers website, I am faily confident of the following:

a. There are 3 tubes mounted to the front of the wheel, like an asterisk.
b. There are weights in the tubes that shift the weight up at the 1 or 2 position and the 6 or 7 position at the same time.
c. The machine takes electricity to run but puts out more than it uses.
d. It is very simple, nothing fancy. I would doubt any use of air pressure or anything exotic.
e. It is highly likely that it uses electromagents that are timed by a switch to pulse and shift the weight.

Does anyone know how fast the wheel would need to spin in order to generate enough electricity to power one (or maybe two) electromagnets and still have 90% extra energy? He claims the system uses 10% of the power it generates. My guess is that the weights are attached to a pole that runs thru the tube. This way, you could use one pulse of a magnet on the outer edge above the 1:00 position to pull up the weight at both the 1 and 6 positions at the same time. So, how much power does it take to pulse an electromagnet? Can anyone do the calculations and see if this is feasible?

CLaNZeR · « **Reply #148 on:** May 02, 2008, 11:27:36 PM »

Quote from: xbww on May 02, 2008, 11:22:14 PM

After following this topic and reading Archers website, I am faily confident of the following:

a. There are 3 tubes mounted to the front of the wheel, like an asterisk.
b. There are weights in the tubes that shift the weight up at the 1 or 2 position and the 6 or 7 position at the same time.
c. The machine takes electricity to run but puts out more than it uses.
d. It is very simple, nothing fancy. I would doubt any use of air pressure or anything exotic.
e. It is highly likely that it uses electromagents that are timed by a switch to pulse and shift the weight.

Does anyone know how fast the wheel would need to spin in order to generate enough electricity to power one (or maybe two) electromagnets and still have 90% extra energy? He claims the system uses 10% of the power it generates. My guess is that the weights are attached to a pole that runs thru the tube. This way, you could use one pulse of a magnet on the outer edge above the 1:00 position to pull up the weight at both the 1 and 6 positions at the same time. So, how much power does it take to pulse an electromagnet? Can anyone do the calculations and see if this is feasible?

From experience with Horizontal Rotors rather than vertical, hence excluding gravity, it takes more energy to pulse a coil to launch the rotor on it's way than the energy created from the rotation of the rotor. Adding magnets to the coils (solenoid) and simply letting the magnet do the work rather than the coil reduces the energy needed, but still needs more energy to pulse the solenoid than what is produced by the rotation.

Rusty_Springs · « **Reply #149 on:** May 02, 2008, 11:36:42 PM »

Hi Sean
Yes I was thinking it would take more energy to move the system, then I thought like you what if you used gravity, I was thinking if you weight was on a hinge and a bearing going horizontal then the arm with the weight is on the hinge and the hinge on the bearing when the arm drops the hinge opens until the hinge comes to a stop at that point the force would turn the arm on the bearing so it drops verticaly and turns horizontaly with out any extra energy needed then when it reaches your starting position you use an electromagnet to lift it back up and start again.
Take Care Sean
Graham

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