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### Author Topic: Roll on the 20th June  (Read 1772565 times)

#### The Eskimo Quinn

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##### Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #45 on: April 29, 2008, 12:53:20 PM »
Thanx for all the great input, unfortunately, is difficult to understand that this is simply a new interaction of physics. In patent law it would be termed observing a new interaction or reaction. As i noted on the site, relying on Newton and the equations is false physics, if the laws for every action there is an equal or opposite reaction are false as proven by simple magnets. this is where i explained as missed by science for 200 years and under their nose, that a magnet has less repelling power than it has attracting power over the same weight. This is true and yet untrue at the same time. It is true that the reaction is not equal, but the field is equal, that is the anomaly, a magnetic field is like a soft rubber ball when glued to a weight of 200 kilos it will pull it provided the glue breaking strain is greater than 201 kilos, but when you go to push the weight something strange happens, the ball squashes, now the ball with the same push as it had pull will move the weight because the field or air is caught within a skin, but with a magnet it is not, and the field folds around the magnet and does not have the same push or repulsion as it does when pulling, as the field acts like the ball and stretches out like a string.

The point is Newton was wrong, in fact wrong in one of the most basic devices known to man, for every action the is not an equal or opposite reaction. So the device in question simply applies a similar anomaly, and one everyone keeps missing, .

I will post this here first before the site tomorrow night so you can be the first to fully understand the part of the discovery that proves standard calcs wrong.

Try this get a plank of wood and set it at 45 degrees and have it go around ten feet above ground level(you will need sides) get a light rubber ball full of air around 6 inches across, now get a compressor and an air gun of some sort. now use this to get the ball to the top, preferable something that fires a rivet or soft point device, the air wont do,you need impact or a known pounds per square inch piston action. it does not matter what this is.

now shoot it at the ball from varying distances, until it just makes it to the top, a spring loaded device will also work.

Now elevate the plank as close to vertical as possible and make sure it is still ten feet to the top from the ground (you will have to start the ball higher or cut the plank shorter (or have 2 ). it wont make it, it can't and here is the real kicker even without the friction of the roll in open air, it still cant make it.

now do you see what you are missing??? (god i hope so) Newton?s calcs were never designed for the Wright brothers or this device

I like the idea of the young minds, toys or puzzles that build the machine, once you know it works, you can't unknow it, like being told planes can't fly according to Newton and his gravity calculations.

#### hartiberlin

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##### Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #46 on: April 29, 2008, 01:18:38 PM »
Thanx for all the great input, unfortunately, is difficult to understand that this is simply a new interaction of physics. In patent law it would be termed observing a new interaction or reaction. As i noted on the site, relying on Newton and the equations is false physics, if the laws for every action there is an equal or opposite reaction are false as proven by simple magnets. this is where i explained as missed by science for 200 years and under their nose, that a magnet has less repelling power than it has attracting power over the same weight. This is true and yet untrue at the same time. It is true that the reaction is not equal, but the field is equal, that is the anomaly, a magnetic field is like a soft rubber ball when glued to a weight of 200 kilos it will pull it provided the glue breaking strain is greater than 201 kilos, but when you go to push the weight something strange happens, the ball squashes, now the ball with the same push as it had pull will move the weight because the field or air is caught within a skin, but with a magnet it is not, and the field folds around the magnet and does not have the same push or repulsion as it does when pulling, as the field acts like the ball and stretches out like a string.

Do you use magnets and/or electromagnets inside the pipes to get the weights up again to 1 oclock ?
Then it is no gravity wheel anymore, but an electromagnet motor so to speak...
I agree that with the right combination of permanent magnets and electromagnets and
usefull iron cores you could propell a weight higher than Epot = Ecap= 0.5 xC V^2
from a charged capacitor, that has only Ecap= 0.5 xC V^2 energy stored.
So with the help of magnetics it should be possible to propell a magnet or an iron weight piece
higher than E= m x g x h =  0.5 xC V^2
But then you have the help of the iron domains flipping and getting the energy out of
a thermal-magnetic energy-circle-process.

Quote

The point is Newton was wrong, in fact wrong in one of the most basic devices known to man, for every action the is not an equal or opposite reaction. So the device in question simply applies a similar anomaly, and one everyone keeps missing, .

I will post this here first before the site tomorrow night so you can be the first to fully understand the part of the discovery that proves standard calcs wrong.

Try this get a plank of wood and set it at 45 degrees and have it go around ten feet above ground level(you will need sides) get a light rubber ball full of air around 6 inches across, now get a compressor and an air gun of some sort. now use this to get the ball to the top, preferable something that fires a rivet or soft point device, the air wont do,you need impact or a known pounds per square inch piston action. it does not matter what this is.

now shoot it at the ball from varying distances, until it just makes it to the top, a spring loaded device will also work.

Now elevate the plank as close to vertical as possible and make sure it is still ten feet to the top from the ground (you will have to start the ball higher or cut the plank shorter (or have 2 ). it wont make it, it can't and here is the real kicker even without the friction of the roll in open air, it still cant make it.

now do you see what you are missing??? (god i hope so) Newton?s calcs were never designed for the Wright brothers or this device

I like the idea of the young minds, toys or puzzles that build the machine, once you know it works, you can't unknow it, like being told planes can't fly according to Newton and his gravity calculations.

Hmm, this example with a weight hitting a rubber ball would only affect the
energy transfer from the shooting weight to the rubber ball.
I could imagine, that it depends on how long the shooting weight has already flown,
until it hits the rubber ball.
Normally, if a weight, e.g. a steel ball hits a rubber ball, the rubber ball will
deform and get some kick energy from this deformation and then fly off.
I wonder, if the height would not be always the same, if the kick energy during
impact is the same ?
So will the ball really run higher on the 45 degrees slope than flying off 90 degrees
vertically ?
How do you explain this ?

Archer,maybe you can just post your whole principle now,
so other builders can already try the main principle behind it
and can verify it ?
Regards, Stefan.

#### The Eskimo Quinn

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##### Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #47 on: April 29, 2008, 02:35:21 PM »
that really is the principal, I was said i can kick Newton?s ass 6 ways from Sunday, it was not figurative, i can build 6 devices that have different principle components, some using similar physics others not. in this instance you are indeed correct for one version of this machine in a manner of speaking, although this same wheel can be made fully mechanical (with precise engineering) no power use at all. But the concept component is a mass build at home not a selective build by engineers.

So again this is the main principle, you have missed the basic, the 45 is actually longer as well yet still makes it, as for the distance for your firing mechanism, the first is to ensure the ball only just makes it, then you must use the same distance, this gives you identical impact PPSI. Newton was not around for satellites, again noted earlier in the site as a prime component of the discovery, that gravity pulls as well from the front on any item traveling with a forward trajectory, so whilst you are lifting gravity is also pulling down but also forward at the same time, if you also look at the wording of the site you will also note i said around 1 o?clock and 7 oclock not actually. can Hans, please do the calculation for horizontal lift???!! there is none, yet at the end of the day one side still weighs more than the other does it not? the trick is finding the balance between one oclock and horizontal that requires less energy than your machine produces, it is usually closer to 2 and 8, but the firing sequence starts at around 7.

satellites are pulled around the earth by gravity if you look from above so to speak you are looking at a giant gravity wheel, my gain is not the falling turn of the planet, but the one true fact not Newton nor any scientist ever knew (well if they did it was never published.) let your fan wheel fall from 1mm past 12, now science says it only travels 90 percent or thereabouts, but no one notices the distance it travels after, back and forward back and forward many times a full circle in fact, does it not??

So according to Newton this is only in your mind, this is not motion, this is not energy!!!??? so where is it coming from?? stored energy is what every single human on the planet has missed, see if you can find that evaluation printed anywhere in history. the truth is that attached to an oscillating generator, that one fall produces more energy by the time it eventually stops than the original fall equation Hans noted earlier by over 100 percent, untouched unpushed, no tricks, and every human in the world has seen it happen, yet no one person saw it. The calculation by Newton is false one fall does not equal one lift. and when manipulated correctly can be made perpetual.

So much for Epot= m x g x h, the moment the fan blade rolls back from 11 oclock Newton is wrong, such a simple error, has disabled mankind from clearly seeing what was always right in front of them, but the Newtonians will say this is a new fall, yet the blade and coin were dropped once only, yet the external power to lift it to 12 oclock was once only, yet they do not see it keeps rocking for a very long time producing energy all the time. try a few fishing sinkers on the inside of a racing bike rim, you'll go to sleep. once up never equals once down and not around.

For the record modern 8 foot span wind  turbines have about the same resistance as a bike wheel!!!

mind blowing what we don't see isn't it.

#### ramset

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##### Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #48 on: April 29, 2008, 03:31:59 PM »
Speeking of food for thought   know my head is gonna explode   Archer you are a gift  thanks[understatement]    Chet

#### helmut

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##### Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #49 on: April 29, 2008, 04:42:41 PM »
Hello Guys
Some homework is done.
From Bottom to the Top about 120cm

helmut

p.s.: The Quality from Pic is bad,  will try another shrink tool

#### hartiberlin

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##### Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #50 on: April 29, 2008, 05:35:30 PM »

So again this is the main principle, you have missed the basic, the 45 is actually longer as well yet still makes it, as for the distance for your firing mechanism, the first is to ensure the ball only just makes it, then you must use the same distance, this gives you identical impact PPSI.

No,
not if you turn the firing device around and hit the rubber ball at 90 degrees, so your iron weight, hitting the
rubber ball still has to travel higher to hit the rubber ball at 90 degrees, so it has a lower impact kick energy.

If the iron weight hits the ball already at 45 degrees it has also only traveled a lower height different and thus
still has more impact PSI kick energy.

Another mistake you make,
if you pull out all the energy from the 1 oclock to 6 oclock movement of the fan,
then you just got the Epot= m x g x h
But as you let it go, you only have low friction and the wheel
might be turning up to around 10 oclock and then rocks back and
forth, but only, cause you have no load and low friction.

All you end up is, that you have converted Epot= m x g x h
into friction heating, after the back and forth rocking has stopped.
If you make the friction this big, that your fan will only turn from
1 to 6 oclock you have loaded the machine and converted all:
Epot= m x g x h
to heat already,but you never will get more out than
Epot= m x g x h
all in all.

And as far as astronauts probing the zero gravity in a parabel flight on  an airplane,
they only become weightless once top dead center has been reached and the plane is going downwards.
They don?t become weightless before top dead center as far as I understand this.

Regards, Stefan.

#### hartiberlin

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##### Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #51 on: April 29, 2008, 06:10:30 PM »
Hmm,
regarding the parabolic flight path I was wrong.
The persons in the plane are already weightless
before top dead center, but is seems to be related to
almost zero thrust at this time but as the plane still have kinetic speed it still
converts this speed into height.

See this graphics:

#### hartiberlin

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##### Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #52 on: April 29, 2008, 06:25:14 PM »
From:
http://www.dlr.de/rd/Portaldata/28/Resources/dokumente/fuw/Parabelflug_Broschuere.pdf

where I got this above graphics from, it is said:

After
about 20 seconds, the angle of ascent
reaches 47 degrees, a steep angle com-
pared to a normal takeoff, where it
never exceeds 18 degrees. At this point,
the pilot throttles the engines down to
very low thrust.

Within a few seconds, the A300 goes into
free fall. The momentum it has gathered before,
keeps it falling upwards for another 2,000 metres or so.

At the apex of the curve, at an altitude of about
8,500 metres, the speed of the aircraft is
down to 390 km/h. From here, it continues
to falls down in an open parabola.

#### exxcomm0n

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##### Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #53 on: April 29, 2008, 07:21:44 PM »
Hi all,

Back again to bounce some ideas.

It's good to see that Archer (The Eskimo Quinn) is monitoring this thread as I'd say he has the ultimate rights to this idea.
I can sympathize with his delivery method since it harkens to "Give a man a fish and feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and feed him for a lifetime". I've seen Erfinder and Grumpy adopt the same stance in some threads.
It may be a little difficult to deal with now, but in 8 weeks I'm sure it will seem like not such a big deal. I don't quite get it yet, but I think I can see were this is going.......

Anyway......... @ goat @ MB @ TEQ

Q: What is the world's biggest flea market?
A: Ebay

Setup an account and give it away (the building plan or http link to) by advertising it as a carbon emission reduction device, it seems like it's the buzzword du jour these days...LOL

Maybe describe it as a handy man only type project or build to suit for people that are able to offer the service of building the machine.

@ Goat

E-bay probably would be a great idea, though I would bet the day it is released someone will start trying to make money off the plans.  It will be posted as "free" on e-bay +\$15.00 shipping and handling or a pdf file with a password that can only be had by signing up for something.

An excellent idea! The problem is that you don't want to see those that had nothing to do with the idea making money from it. That part is going to be tough to keep from happening since it seems any new idea worth it's salt gets pirated in record time. The issue with pirates is that they already have manufacturing facilities, they already have the money for fast re-tooling, and they use unscrupulous, but effective methods to get their product sold. If the concept was well known and easily discovered, wouldn't this be a WONDERFUL thing to be farmed out to China and Mexico and Sri Lanka for manufacture as long as the resulting builds WORKED? I can't think of a better wayto get this technology into the hands of those that need it the most than that.

The hard part about this is that people don't often go for what is free because throughtout their lives there has always been a catch to a proposal like that. How often do you click on the banner ad saying "Click HERE for a free PC!"?

The only solution I can see to this quandry is for as many people here (OU) as can, start an Ebay acct. to sell these things as "energy reclaimation devices" (AT NO TIME should we use the term "free energy", or we have lost a significant portion of our "sales" public immediately).
Just say that it's able to glean the energy lost from the small, but vampiric energy costs of appliances that are always on standby, or some such other nonsense so as not to "insult the intellect" of the public
A portion of the money made from the endeavor can be given to Archer, and/or a charitable concern of his choice. In this way we are able to overcome the stigmata of "free" AND we are able to disseminate the idea, make some cash to fund other undiscovered energy source projects, and make sure inferior copies of the idea that don't work don't flood the market and kill the idea by reports of customer dissatisfaction.

The individual can make money too! Manufacturing space costs money. Building stock costs money. Construction costs money. Management of a business costs money. Employees cost money.
You WANT employees. Lots of employees!
They sometimes freelance on the side, or give business ideas and methods away to their family and friends.

now do you see what you are missing??? (god i hope so) Newton?s calcs were never designed for the Wright brothers or this device

I like the idea of the young minds, toys or puzzles that build the machine, once you know it works, you can't unknow it, like being told planes can't fly according to Newton and his gravity calculations.

These are 2 good approaches, and they might be able to be married.

In fact, it would probably be the best way to "market" the idea if a new childrens "toy" was modeled out of the idea and sold as "The Magic Wonder Wheel", or some such nonsense.
An adult will discount the possibility of something based on what they have been taught or what they believe. A child will "discover" and not question possibility because they "see" it, their hands built it, and the result of failure doesn't mean impossibility; It means to try again.
I read Mimsy Were the Borogoves, a science fiction short story by Lewis Padgett (a pseudonym of Henry Kuttner and C. L. Moore) that was originally published in the February 1943 issue of Astounding Science Fiction Magazine (read it here: http://www.scribd.com/doc/43321/Mimsy-were-the-borogoves-Lewis-Padgett- )  when I was young and it changed the way I thought about thinking.

Doesn't it gall you just a bit when a child shows you how they did something you would have thought impossible for them, and the way they show you is so simple, elegant, and something you'd deem as so naturally intuitive that you can't understand how you didn't already know about it?
Lately I find myself trying to be like a child again because of that. I think it might be the best way to experiment with the ideas I see here.

I look forward to being "galled" by Archer in 7 weeks if I can't figure it out from the clues he's giving out before then.

If this proves out sir, I thank you from the bottom of my heart and I will employ it as you wish if you'll tell us.

@ Goat

<snip>  Trust the larger media and it will become the joke of the hour and not heard of again.  </snip>

<snip>  My gut still says whomever has a working prototype will open a flood gate of publicity every time it is announced in the local media (I don't think the small time local papers are terribly corrupt, brainwashed somewhat, but not totally corrupt).  Anyone that creates a prototype and wants to help their community could easily do one of the business opportunity like seminars that seem to get people out and motivated.  A short downloadable video on youutube or a torrent etc may go a long way if someone takes the time to video tape the entire process.  Getting the information out will not be as difficult as deflecting the naysayers with the big textbook brains that have squashed so many interesting ideas with a just a few words in the press.  </snip>

The YouTube idea has even more merit, but there are still some people that pick and choose what to see dependant on what they're told they see.
I mean, we all "saw" planes hitting buildings (on TV, well....except the Pentagon). We all "heard" frantic cell phone calls (on TV). We all "know" the the destruction of a building into it's own footprint is possible if it's hit by a plane, or even a chunk of falling building (from "experts" on TV).

Now that, my friends, was a masterful sales job and woefully it's working to this day.

An idea like this has to move with the intensity of civil disobedience or religious decree to not be quashed by popular opinion.

In fact, there might be an angle to the religious aspect.
The offerings you give to the religion of your choice or the non-profit orginization you belong to is to pay for the maintenance of the place you meet, to pay salaries to the people that dedicate their time to it's health, and use any extra to spread among the community and further good works or orginizational aims and education?

I can't think of a better offering or contribution than self generated power, can you? That's about as grass roots dissemination as you can get and you still can feel good about giving "the gift that keeps on giving". It frees up a major cost for them that they can now use for the above aims. They might even see the dissemination of the idea as the most paramount of good works or education.

Then the only weapon that can take out an idea like this is fear.
It's a major weapon and has been noted to work.

Upon the release of the idea it HAS to be reconstructed by individuals the world over and heavily scrutinized not only for proof of concept, BUT FOR SAFETY!!!!

The moment that a device is able to be used to destroy a busload of school children it'll be socially abhorred and legislated into non-existance.

My \$0.04 now.

P.S. You're allowed to make money from helping your fellow man if they won't allow it any other way.

#### ramset

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##### Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #54 on: April 29, 2008, 09:53:15 PM »
I suppose the flea trying to steer the elephant is not even a good analogy  its gonna be a wild ride  hold on   @Helmut looks good im still gathering parts   Chet

#### b0rg13

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##### Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #55 on: April 29, 2008, 11:57:02 PM »
it almost sounds like a hint of a or some magnets or a device/coil that is pulsed at the right time to(repel at 7 and attract at 1?/shrug)  move a weight a small distance, possibly frictionless depending how the magnets are set up,( just some wild guessing).
« Last Edit: April 30, 2008, 12:18:46 AM by b0rg13 »

#### exxcomm0n

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##### Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #56 on: April 30, 2008, 02:02:55 AM »
K......I might as well take a stab @ this, but forgive me as it pretty much amounts to day dreaming on paper as I'm not a mathmatician or physics person.

Lets take a fan with 3 equally weighted blades. We attach the coin to a blade at 1 o'clock.
Now the potential energy made by taping the coin there is more than the weight of the coin. It's the weight of the coin and the energy in the mass of the moving blade, and the centrifugal force of it's movement from 3 o'clock to 9 o'clock; correct?

Now the mass of the coin wants to realize the shortest route of attraction and fall straight down, but it can't.
To realize downward motion it also has to attain sideways motion as it's in relation to the mass of the fan blade, the axle, and it's position on it. Ideally it will be at the point on the fan blade where it has to expend the most energy sideways to travel downward.
At 3 o'clock the coin mass has acheived maximum "sideways" energy to due to secondary gravitational effect (stops gaining from vampiric momentum value) and starts gaining energy from any residual sideways momentum as well as that momentum now from an ever increasing  ?square? to the attraction of gravity being attracted both down and sideways at the same time?
The energy to "fall down" is increasing and the energy for the coin to "fall away" from the axle is increasing due to those forces coming into alignment.

The maximum attraction of gravity happens @ 6 o'clock sharp. That could be the point of greatest velocity too.
But the maximum of centrifugal happens JUST after that! It can't be at maximum weight until it is traveling at maximum velocity. It has to be after 6 o'clock.
So is the energy moving the coin from 1 o'clock to 3 o'clock being subtracted from the energy potential making it want to rest at 6 o'clock in the 1st place??
How does this relate to the plane/free fall example? Isn't that the point of free fall below the apex of the plane traveling the sine wave form for astronauts to acheive weightlessness???

There was more to this post, but I've judiciously decided not to post it as yet because I don't know enough yet to know if it makes me look like an ass. I have no idea how the weight moves from 7 o'clock to 1 o'clock, but it does make you think about all the energy created from oscillations from 1 o'clock to 6 o'clock rest.

P.S. I want a 3 bladed fan, a coin, and a highspeed camera to record velocity.
« Last Edit: April 30, 2008, 10:14:27 AM by exxcomm0n »

#### sm0ky2

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##### Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #57 on: April 30, 2008, 07:09:46 AM »
Archer left this thread because i cornered him on his Archer's Loop - AKA Thermal Accelerator.

sorry guys, i didnt mean to drive him away, but i wanted him to see that the energy balances out on both sides of his loop, minus the cooling from the fan just after the heat source.

but something tells me he knew this all along, and was playing with numbers to "prove a point", or whatever the hell his motives are... once i forced him to see this, he never posted here again.... hes popped up on 3-4 other forums since, making the same "self-proclaimed fame" statements about the Archer's Loop, and how it "violates physics and has changed the scientific standards for measuring heat energy"

not to mention hes on more than one inventors watch list with precautionary statements attached
and owns a company that lets you give him your money to give you "advise on your invention"
--------------------------------------------------------

He explained enough about his new gravity wheel on his website if you read everything, i got a pretty good idea of what hes trying to do and i think we went over all of this sufficiently during the whole Chas Campbell inccident....

June 20 will come, and his wheel will just be another interesting story for your friends when they walk into your garage and ask "what's that?"

but then again,   ------------  How many people failed at flying.  while countless others continued to try for thousands of years, until Wilbur and Orville taught the world, and all of science a thing or two about Impossibilities......

#### oak

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##### Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #58 on: April 30, 2008, 08:33:10 AM »
This is interesting.  From Mr. Quinn?s writing on his web page and in this thread it appears to me that he really believes he has found the secret to perpetual motion.  (I don't believe he's trying deliberately to hoax anyone.)  And he also claims to have already created and used one of these machines (12 volts ? see his first page).  So to me the question is, is he delusional, or has he in fact really done it?

I am willing to wait and see where this goes.

Anyway, here's my stab at how this thing works (mechanically speaking), if it works.  But I?m not a physicist nor an engineer nor an electrician, so please take that into account.  Some of this is my interpretation of what Mr. Quinn has already said, and some of it is speculation.

A heavy vertical flywheel, rotating clockwise, is used to maintain rotational momentum.  The flywheel requires only a relatively small weight imbalance on the right side for gravity to keep "boosting" the momentum (by pulling down on the additional weight).  Once a particular weight reaches 7 or 8 o?clock, it is yanked through its tube directly across the center of the ?clock? face to 1 or 2 o?clock.  It requires less energy to send the weight back to 1 or 2 o?clock than the amount of gravity "boost" that was provided on the right side, for two reasons:

First, gravity itself (coupled with the wheel?s momentum) will have already caused the weight to move well past the 7 o'clock position, so the vertical distance the weight must be pushed upward (say from 8 o?clock to 2 o?clock, or about 3 vertical inches on a 6-inch clock face), is less than the vertical drop that the weight traveled while falling downward (a vertical drop from say 2 o?clock to 6 o?clock, which is more than 4 vertical inches on a 6-inch clock face);

Second, while traveling back to 2 o?clock, the weight can travel on an incline, rather than straight up (and in fact the incline gets less steep as the weight travels up it because the rotation is continuing).

Electromagnetism is used to send each weight in its turn back to 2 o?clock.  There are a total of three weights, one inside each of three enclosed tubes.  Each weight is a ball bearing, whose diameter is sufficiently smaller than the inside diameter of its tube so that build-up of air pressure is not a problem as the ball moves through the tube.  The three tubes cross each other so they form an asterisk shape.  They are attached one after another against the face of the flywheel.  (Thus first you have the flywheel, then the first tube across the face of the flywheel, then the second tube offset 60 degrees from the first, then the third tube offset 60 degrees from each of the other two tubes.)

There is a wire coil around the end of each tube.  (Thus there are 6 coils total.)  The wire ends, or contacts, of each coil protrude beyond the end of the tube.  So as the tube rotates end over end, the two contacts protruding from a tube end describe two arcs parallel to each other.  From approximately 1 o?clock to 3 o?clock, there are also two curved metal strips outside the reach of each tube; these curved metal strips are connected to the positive and negative terminals of the generator located below the flywheel.  Thus after a tube end passes 12 o?clock and is approaching 1 o?clock, the coil?s contacts approach the metal contact strips that will feed the coil with current.  The coil?s contacts brush gently along the metal contact strips from approximately 1 o?clock to 3 o?clock, and during that time the coil becomes an electromagnet which yanks the ball bearing from the low end of the tube ? at the 7 or 8 o?clock position ? through the tube to the 2 o?clock position (and then keeps the ball bearing at that end of the tube until it reaches 3 o?clock).

What if the coil is not strong enough to yank the ball bearing from the opposite end of the tube?  Then a variation on the coil idea might be:  each coil runs the length of the tube, but the number of turns of wire around the tube varies along the length of the tube.  At the top end of the tube (what is the top end, that is, just before the coil at that end is activated), there are a great many turns, but then the number of turns per linear inch decreases as the coil runs down the tube.  (And the two coils on each tube overlap each other, but run in opposite directions.)  Thus when a coil is activated, the coil in effect is an electromagnet which increases in strength as it sends the ball from one end of the tube to the other.

Yet a third variation might be to use a cylindrical magnet, rather than a ball bearing, inside the tube, and use repulsion to shoot the magnet from the lower end of the tube to the upper end.  See the ?solenoid? discussion here (4th bullet point):  http://science.howstuffworks.com/electromagnet5.htm

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##### Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #59 on: April 30, 2008, 09:22:45 AM »
that ball bearing idea is interesting but if you used a hollow tube with about4 to 6 inches of iron on each end, if this makes any sense then ( dosent have to be a hollow tube, could be an array of different configs), then you move a small weight just a small distance,rather than the full length.