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### Author Topic: Roll on the 20th June  (Read 1772485 times)

#### quantumtangles

• Full Member
• Posts: 140
##### Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #6915 on: August 16, 2011, 11:48:58 AM »
Just because I don't think it will work does not mean I do not want it to work.

I define 'success' not as "building a machine that defies the second law".

'Success' is when you learn something from failure.

The most successful people in the world have failed more often, but kept trying.

The most unsuccessful people in the world were so afraid of failure they did not try at all.

People who try and build PM machines are my favourite people of all. They keep trying in the face of almost overwhelming adversity and redicule.

Our species at its best.

Good luck to you.

#### The Eskimo Quinn

• Hero Member
• Posts: 614
##### Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #6916 on: August 18, 2011, 04:19:02 AM »
To those who understand physics this is not for you

CRAYON EXPLANATION

The basic maths for physics in falling object is this- If it takes 1 kilowatt of energy to lift an object, then the same object falling that distance can create 1 kilowatt of energy, or in simple terms fall is equal to lift in energy. Now in the film we will say that the fall from 12 oclock to 6 oclock is equal to 1 kilowatt, so in simple math it would take 1 kilowatt to lift it back to the top or 12 oclock, now having seen the film, how far do you have to lift the driver or roller? a little less than half way, so you need to lift only half the distance to the top, therefore you only need half the energy for lift or 500watts, so with 1 kilowatt of fall and 500watts of lift you have 500watts over unity or excess power. No physics or math in the world can change that truth or the facts of the film. Newton is done.

For those wishing the fastest route from the film to use, that is simple, any wind turbine or small water wheel providing the 50 percent input gets 100 percent output, even without any other modification

Oh and P fucking s, contrary to ex's bullshit, if you look back i did offer everyone their money back, but no takers, not even him, but to be fair, my email address is acquinn@gmail.com simply email a copy of you paypal donation and i will still gladly refund it, including ex's

#### exxcomm0n

• Hero Member
• Posts: 791
##### Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #6917 on: August 20, 2011, 06:13:31 PM »
To those who understand physics this is not for you
CRAYON EXPLANATION
The basic maths for physics in falling object is this- If it takes 1 kilowatt of energy to lift an object, then the same object falling that distance can create 1 kilowatt of energy, or in simple terms fall is equal to lift in energy. Now in the film we will say that the fall from 12 oclock to 6 oclock is equal to 1 kilowatt, so in simple math it would take 1 kilowatt to lift it back to the top or 12 oclock, now having seen the film, how far do you have to lift the driver or roller? a little less than half way, so you need to lift only half the distance to the top, therefore you only need half the energy for lift or 500watts, so with 1 kilowatt of fall and 500watts of lift you have 500watts over unity or excess power. No physics or math in the world can change that truth or the facts of the film. Newton is done.
For those wishing the fastest route from the film to use, that is simple, any wind turbine or small water wheel providing the 50 percent input gets 100 percent output, even without any other modification

Oh good, more news.

If'n you're so hep on using the effect w/ wind or water, why can't you build one? You're going to need it when you bug out to the country location, aren't you?

Oh and P fucking s, contrary to ex's bullshit, if you look back i did offer everyone their money back, but no takers, not even him, but to be fair, my email address is acquinn@gmail.com simply email a copy of you paypal donation and i will still gladly refund it, including ex's

That's EXACTLY what I mean. It seems that you and I can remember history, but others can't. How big of you to include me in the refundees since I'm the only one asking for a refund.
It'd be appreciated. I'll contact your email shortly.

#### TinselKoala

• Hero Member
• Posts: 13958
##### Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #6918 on: August 21, 2011, 12:01:44 AM »
To those who understand physics this is not for you

CRAYON EXPLANATION

The basic maths for physics in falling object is this- If it takes 1 kilowatt of energy to lift an object, then the same object falling that distance can create 1 kilowatt of energy, or in simple terms fall is equal to lift in energy. Now in the film we will say that the fall from 12 oclock to 6 oclock is equal to 1 kilowatt, so in simple math it would take 1 kilowatt to lift it back to the top or 12 oclock, now having seen the film, how far do you have to lift the driver or roller? a little less than half way, so you need to lift only half the distance to the top, therefore you only need half the energy for lift or 500watts, so with 1 kilowatt of fall and 500watts of lift you have 500watts over unity or excess power. No physics or math in the world can change that truth or the facts of the film. Newton is done.

For those wishing the fastest route from the film to use, that is simple, any wind turbine or small water wheel providing the 50 percent input gets 100 percent output, even without any other modification

Oh and P fucking s, contrary to ex's bullshit, if you look back i did offer everyone their money back, but no takers, not even him, but to be fair, my email address is acquinn@gmail.com simply email a copy of you paypal donation and i will still gladly refund it, including ex's
Pee Fucking Ess, Archer (spitonthefloor) Quinn. Power is not energy. The Watt is a measure of power, NOT ENERGY. You clearly cannot understand the difference, or you are pretending not to, in order to keep playing your narcissistic little game here.
It's easy to show power multiplication, nothing special at all. Take a look at my TinselKoil if you don't believe me. But energy in = energy out, and there's nothing that you can do about it, no matter how much you cuss and smoke and stamp your feet.

Think otherwise? Then quit talking and show something real, Mr. Genius Sword-of-God Maker.

#### WilbyInebriated

• Hero Member
• Posts: 3141
##### Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #6919 on: August 21, 2011, 12:14:42 AM »
Pee Fucking Ess, Archer (spitonthefloor) Quinn. Power is not energy. The Watt is a measure of power, NOT ENERGY. You clearly cannot understand the difference, or you are pretending not to, in order to keep playing your narcissistic little game here.
It's easy to show power multiplication, nothing special at all. Take a look at my TinselKoil if you don't believe me. But energy in = energy out, and there's nothing that you can do about it, no matter how much you cuss and smoke and stamp your feet.

Think otherwise? Then quit talking and show something real, Mr. Genius Sword-of-God Maker.
power and energy all aside tra la la, that's pretty rich and classic tk (the pot calling the kettle black) for you... calling archer a narcissist while pimping his tinsel(tesla)koil.

#### CuriousChris

• Sr. Member
• Posts: 280
##### Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #6920 on: August 21, 2011, 02:41:25 AM »
To those who understand physics this is not for you

CRAYON EXPLANATION

The basic maths for physics in falling object is this- If it takes 1 kilowatt of energy to lift an object, then the same object falling that distance can create 1 kilowatt of energy, or in simple terms fall is equal to lift in energy. Now in the film we will say that the fall from 12 oclock to 6 oclock is equal to 1 kilowatt, so in simple math it would take 1 kilowatt to lift it back to the top or 12 oclock, now having seen the film, how far do you have to lift the driver or roller? a little less than half way, so you need to lift only half the distance to the top, therefore you only need half the energy for lift or 500watts, so with 1 kilowatt of fall and 500watts of lift you have 500watts over unity or excess power. No physics or math in the world can change that truth or the facts of the film. Newton is done.

For those wishing the fastest route from the film to use, that is simple, any wind turbine or small water wheel providing the 50 percent input gets 100 percent output, even without any other modification

The basis of quinns argument is the following (taken from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEwzalCFdKw )
If you place a 5 cent coin on the top of a bicycle wheel and let it rotate. it might only get to 90% of the way. let it fall back just 10% and you have returned 100% of the energy.

This is so clearly wrong and totally naive. "Crayon Reasoning" you might say.

Ignoring friction, If you attached a generator to that wheel and arranged for it to extract 100% of the energy, the wheel will rotate to the bottom and stop dead. there is no energy left to drive it further.
If you arrange to take only 50%. of the energy then the wheel will rotate 75% of the way around (50% of the way back up), if you now extract 100% of the remaining (50% of the original) the wheel will rotate to the bottom and stop dead.

No matter how many times you allow the wheel to rock backwards and forwards you cannot take out of it more than you put into it. resulting in having to put exactly the same amount in as you did originally if you want to start the process again.

The example Quinn gives confirms conservation of energy, it does not deny it. At first it makes you stop and think. and then logic kicks in and says "hey what" and you realise you have been duped.

Also the smot in the video does not continue past the bottom. it loses potential energy (due to friction and rolling losses). the potential energy it loses is the potential energy given to it when he moves the roller into the magnetic field (yes with the stick). If it did not lose the potential energy given it then it should continue to rotate. In the real world we have to deal with frictional losses, so it would never continue to rotate.

Quinn, Why didn't you just move the smot around so the magnets started at the bottom? Then there is no need to move the roller part way up the wall?

I am willing to bet the reason why he doesn't is because if he did the roller would hit the sticky point and stop. it could not go past it no matter how many configurations of magnets he tried.

CC

Go to my gotcha's thread for a possible solution to the smot problem using aluminium
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=11314.msg298397#new
I don't spell it out, but anyone "skilled in the art" should be able to work out what I am hinting at.

#### Justalabrat

• Jr. Member
• Posts: 93
##### Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #6921 on: November 07, 2011, 02:26:55 AM »
The Eskimo Quinn's web site, archurian.com, is down. Did he go underground again?

#### The Eskimo Quinn

• Hero Member
• Posts: 614
##### Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #6922 on: January 06, 2012, 01:26:16 AM »
The Eskimo Quinn's web site, archurian.com, is down. Did he go underground again?

http://archurian.com

well many of you finally got your wish, only death makes the subject more famous.

I Thank you for the good days and bad, for the bad days give drive and ignite passion.

copy whatever you can, i cannot keep the site up afterwards.

in the words of jim cary as Trueman

Good afternoon good evening and goodnight

#### ramset

• Hero Member
• Posts: 7870
##### Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #6923 on: January 06, 2012, 02:42:12 AM »
Archer
Oh No you don't!!
I got something for you [something Wonderful] ,plus I need some advice!

Chetkremens@gmail.com

PS
Tinsel Koala

THX

#### exxcomm0n

• Hero Member
• Posts: 791
##### Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #6924 on: March 05, 2012, 09:18:41 PM »
Ya know, after exhibiting the curiosity that most folk have when driving past an auto accident, I came back to take a look@ the thread and see if I missed anything since I don't come here often anymore.

It seems I hadn't, but in going to check if Crooker's site had bitten the big one yet, I found it's still available and he's added a "NewsFlash!", and I quote (copy/paste).......

"Newsflash

Archer Expected to be dead by end february 2012

http://archurian.com

Bummer that there's no (other) new content to disprove my stance that Crooker is what I deem him as. But should the newsflash be true, the entertainment value of the dancing monkey will be missed.

#### Fred Flintstone

• Jr. Member
• Posts: 73
##### Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #6925 on: February 26, 2013, 01:13:13 AM »
Just wondering... what happened to Archer. Did he really die?

#### sm0ky2

• Hero Member
• Posts: 3796
##### Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #6926 on: March 06, 2015, 06:18:29 AM »
nope, he's not dead. Mr Quinn is very much alive still doing his work in Australia.
He recently filed an application for an Australian Patent #2014904393

titled: EV-TOO Radial Arc Generator- a Kinetic energy generator for devices already rotating

#### CANGAS

• Full Member
• Posts: 235
##### Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #6927 on: March 06, 2015, 07:13:17 AM »
Just because I don't think it will work does not mean I do not want it to work.

I define 'success' not as "building a machine that defies the second law".

'Success' is when you learn something from failure.

The most successful people in the world have failed more often, but kept trying.

The most unsuccessful people in the world were so afraid of failure they did not try at all.

People who try and build PM machines are my favourite people of all. They keep trying in the face of almost overwhelming adversity and redicule.

Our species at its best.

Good luck to you.

Quote
'Success' is when you learn something from failure.

Quote
The most successful people in the world have failed more often, but kept trying.

Quote
People who try and build PM machines are my favourite people of all. They keep trying in the face of almost overwhelming adversity and redicule.

You have got my number. Thanks, bro..

Regards
CANGAS 148

#### sm0ky2

• Hero Member
• Posts: 3796
##### Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #6928 on: March 06, 2015, 02:20:30 PM »
This one is still at the top of my list of devices, I've got some new magnets on the way and when I gather the other parts necessary,
I'm ready to give this one another go at it.

despite Archer's disgraceful antics, and the countless number of nay-sayers that have flooded this and the other threads,
my previous experimental results were more on the side of success than failure. The operating principal still seems solid to me.

There's not many other devices I've replicated that I can say that about.
Until I convince myself that this doesn't work, this device will always be cooking on the back burner...

#### ramset

• Hero Member
• Posts: 7870
##### Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #6929 on: March 06, 2015, 03:45:00 PM »
Well
I must say, at the time ...your contributions to this topic were and still are intriguing.
as a matter of fact ,most of your contributions to this forum of late are quite interesting.

Thx
Chet