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exxcomm0n

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Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #6840 on: July 29, 2011, 08:26:08 AM »
you just admitted that it was a donation... if you gave (donated) him money there is no debt.
indeed. but you didn't...
again you acknowledge it was a donation... not a debt.
to be perfectly clear... and you have been, it was a donation. thus, there is no debt and you are owed nothing. if you want him to 'deliver', simply produce your contract with archer that guarantees his 'performance'.

i'd say the above idiocy puts you far ahead of archer... but i'm not an official websters judge. ;)

Wilby ...yer too cute.

Do some investigation into thread history and you'll see he offered the money back at one point in the past.
Do your own research.

I quaver in the face of yer appraisal and the indisputable quality thereof.

I should go now, shame faced by your great understanding, but your posting history here and in other threads has been that of a troll, and so I don't worry 'bout it much.

:D

Next observation?


WilbyInebriated

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Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #6841 on: July 29, 2011, 08:41:01 AM »
Wilby ...yer too cute.

Do some investigation into thread history and you'll see he offered the money back at one point in the past.
Do your own research.
i've read the thread in entirety, i am well aware of the players and poseurs.  regardless... there is no debt.

I quaver in the face of yer appraisal and the indisputable quality thereof.

I should go now, shame faced by your great understanding, but your posting history here and in other threads has been that of a troll, and so I don't worry 'bout it much.

:D

Next observation?
and i quaver in the face of your ad hominem... not. did you have a cogent argument or are you just trying to sandbag points? ;)

next logical fallacy...

exxcomm0n

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Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #6842 on: July 29, 2011, 09:05:31 AM »
@ Smoky

@ Exx
thanks for the reply,  ive torn through the problem of the overslung/underslung rods when they are offset from the axis.
both mentally, and physically.. There are notable problems, as you mentioned, and also the angle of entry into the magnetic array(s) with respect to each rod, is off-center to the center of gravity of the wheel itself. This is why i think the bending occurs. The off-set model i did with wooden rods, were sturdy enough that they did not bend, but friction fron the twisting got the best of me, and they did not slide properly.

The main problem  have here is this... A rear-face mounted wheel just is not pheasable. At least not with the materials i can easily obtain.
not sturdy enough

The center axle is sturdy enough to hold a 200lb man sitting on the stone wheel.
But,. theres a solid axle in the center of the spindle.

Drilling through the spindle wont work, because the center axle
is stationary, while the outer spindle spins on top of it.

DING!
This is the part I forgot about and then used the incorrect nomenclature (I think) to try to describe. Mea culpa.

The drill suggestion I have assumes a solid axle with ball bearings on either side set in twin supporting structures, not a axle/spindle w/ a post inside it. (That is the correct way to say it, right? I'm so confused......)

This might help:
1spin·dle  noun \ˈspin-dÉ™l\Definition of SPINDLE<snip>3 a   : the bar or shaft usually of square section that carries the knobs and actuates the latch or bolt of a lock
   b  (1)   : a turned often decorative piece (as in a baluster)
   (2)   : newel
   c  (1)   : a revolving piece especially when thinner than a shaft   
  (2)   : a horizontal or vertical axle revolving on pin or pivot ends

Using the m-w.com approved definition above, the spindle you describe is the "axle revolving on pin", and the one I mean is "axle revolving on pivot ends".
I understand it's kind of hard to drill through all of your bearing surfaces and have the bearing still work. ;)

Sorry I made that clear as mud.

My sort of "last resort" idea, was to attach a piece on the end of the spindle, that sticks out past the axle.
Then i can drill the holes close together, so that they just barely clear the Axle-Bolt. this gives me a much smaller offset to have to deal with.
As well as serving the purpose of the stabalizing center-guide.

Yup! Quite doable, replaceable in case of error or re-adjustment, and fairly cheap.

im still concerned with friction at this center point, and i may consider an EB-type function on the center piece.

True 'nuff. Every surface contacts robs effect.

The new EB's im designing are triangular. using 3 bearings
i think it should function the same with 3, just have one less frictional surface - so its an upgrade i believe.

<snip- below this answered in post to Crooker>

I thought about them too and will be VERY interested in your design and it's results as you're actually building it and I never did as the angles involved gave me headaches. ;)
You save frictive surface as you say, and lose the weight variables of an extra post and bearing per EB, so it just makes sense if you can make it work.

Consider the idea of the both end pivoting axle dude, and I look forward to your progress!

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Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #6843 on: July 29, 2011, 09:12:14 AM »
i've read the thread in entirety, i am well aware of the players and poseurs.  regardless... there is no debt.
and i quaver in the face of your ad hominem... not. did you have a cogent argument or are you just trying to sandbag points? ;)

next logical fallacy...

I'll put my logical fallacy up against your logical fellatio anytime bud. ;)

You opinion is duly noted and round filed.

You're not as amusing as Crooker and your posts are historically self serving as I noted before, so we're done now.
Have a nice day.

ramset

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Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #6844 on: July 29, 2011, 10:05:56 AM »
The debt thing was "weak",Archer's intent always sincere!!
The whole thing was more like I'm [archer] bustin my ass to make this work
I know it will work, I'm going into hock and spending every penny I have and then some ....will you help me?


Money back?? Thats girly crap!

you're either willing to help this community "no strings attached"
Or your Not?
 I give when it hurts to give I don't care for a gaurantee or a refund
I just thank my creator [sorry W] for men like Archer and others here
that offer me a chance to be involved in a productive way,To labor so they can labor.It actually feels Really Good to do ,gives my day more purpose!
 
A simbiotic relationship  that needs to be more prevelant in our community if we are ever going to make this world a better place!
You want to change the world?
Be that change............
Cough it up.........

Chet
PS
Sorry SmOkey But Donating is very important to this Cause,This Blemish
is quite counter productive for our Community.

I hope they can Move On......................
 

WilbyInebriated

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Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #6845 on: July 29, 2011, 11:26:46 AM »
I'll put my logical fallacy up against your logical fellatio anytime bud. ;)

You opinion is duly noted and round filed.

You're not as amusing as Crooker and your posts are historically self serving as I noted before, so we're done now.
Have a nice day.
your response is a logical fallacy. and thus, duly noted and round filed.
that being said, do you have a cogent argument (do you even know what one is?) or are you still trying to sandbag points?

next logical fallacy...

exxcomm0n

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Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #6846 on: July 29, 2011, 05:57:47 PM »
The debt thing was "weak",Archer's intent always sincere!!
The whole thing was more like I'm [archer] bustin my ass to make this work
I know it will work, I'm going into hock and spending every penny I have and then some ....will you help me?

It was Chet?
 Is my request for a refund as weak as his much trumpeted and assured release of a working SOG by June 20th 2008 to "crush the evil oil men once and forever" never coming to fruition?
It's no fun being in the "..and then some....will you help me?"  crowd when you do help and the recipient of your help blows off the build and release of the thing you 'donated' for?

A donation given for what proves to be a fraudulent goal does not get the protection of definition that a regular donation that uses YOUR money for the proposed goal does.

I 'donated' for a 'working SOG' and I hold my present view of the definition of 'donation' with the same misunderstood view Crooker must have of 'working SOG'.

Money back?? Thats girly crap!

Really? I see it as "girly crap" only in so much as I see the failure to deliver a promised OU device that had already been built and proven according to the author by June 20th 2008 as "girly crap".

you're either willing to help this community "no strings attached"
Or your Not?
 I give when it hurts to give I don't care for a gaurantee or a refund
I just thank my creator [sorry W] for men like Archer and others here
that offer me a chance to be involved in a productive way,To labor so they can labor.It actually feels Really Good to do ,gives my day more purpose!

So, being defrauded feels 'real good' to you? What evidence of 'involved in a productive way' could you (or Crooker) show us please?

Ahhhh....the "creator" comment might prove why you have such steadfast belief in something never seen.
That's called faith, but it's not the same as proof.
 
A simbiotic relationship  that needs to be more prevelant in our community if we are ever going to make this world a better place!
You want to change the world?
Be that change............
Cough it up.........

Chet

A symbiotic relationship does happen here @ OU sometimes.
But what's prevalent in my view of Crookers symbiotic relationship is that it's much like the symbiotic relationship a lamprey has with its host.
The lamprey sucks vital life supporting nutrients from it's host weakening it until the host either removes it, or the host dies and the lamprey moves to another host.

I did (cough it up), I got screwed (as well as 36 other individuals), and I'm not going to be quiet about it because of embarrassment. Education about the fraud that is Crooker is just as important as supporting OU research.

You not liking that I'm calling him to the carpet about it and Wilby not liking that I'm asking for a refund of a donation doesn't concern me, much as Crooker's failure to produce what he promised, even to this day, doesn't seem to concern either of you.

We all have our agendas, eh?

PS
Sorry SmOkey But Donating is very important to this Cause,This Blemish
is quite counter productive for our Community.
I hope they can Move On......................

About this one, you're right since Smoky is the only one working to make good on Crooker's claim with actual builds and experimentation.
Since he's actually doing something to further the goal of what I 'donated' money to Crooker to do, he should by rights get the money, eh?

Tell you what, Crooker can paypal my donation refund directly to Smoky and then you and Wilby can proselytize and cheerlead for Crooker to your hearts content and I'll be quiet about it if I have proof of that transaction.

But until then, I'll keep posting when and how I wish. ;)

 :D
« Last Edit: July 29, 2011, 06:46:46 PM by exxcomm0n »

ramset

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Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #6847 on: July 29, 2011, 07:58:03 PM »
EXX
I beg off on Battling witty exchanges with you,I am Woefully out classed!
I would however like to retain "W" [Wilfred Bennard Ibeatuponomous  AKA WilbyInebreated] as my Barrister in this Matter!

If it is determined to be Fraud ,I will attempt to cover Archers Debt to you
It may take some time......
Chetkremens@gmail.com

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Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #6848 on: July 29, 2011, 11:08:29 PM »
@exxx
you misunderstand me. it's not that i "dislike"... i could care less what one fool donates to another fool. archer is a grotesquely bloated egotistical bloviator... and you knew it, yet you donated money anyways. chalk it up as a learning experience, grow up and move on. posting here demanding satisfaction for a donation is beyond asinine... and moves you that much closer to archer. i've read your posts, i know you are better than that.

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Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #6849 on: July 30, 2011, 02:28:54 AM »
W,
Concentrated Nasty! probably 3rd generation nasty?,like a fine wine it matures to perfection!
And that was without even trying ,Just Coasting............
Priceless!!

Chet

exxcomm0n

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Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #6850 on: July 31, 2011, 12:29:33 AM »
@ ramset (Chet)

EXX
I beg off on Battling witty exchanges with you,I am Woefully out classed!
I would however like to retain "W" [Wilfred Bennard Ibeatuponomous  AKA WilbyInebreated] as my Barrister in this Matter!

It seems you have legal representation that has a little difficulty expressing himself and his aim. This is not a good quality in those retained for the purpose of representing anyone about the parameters of intentions and the social or legal limits thereof, as an advocate is supposed to sway opinion in the favor of their client, or else  logically the client could represent themselves with the same chance of positive results and much less expense.

 But, if you're to take his opening statement and disect it to lessen the obfuscation and oxymoronic nature of it, you're going to find some puzzles like those below that attribute those natures to it.
 
You barrister seems to have a difficulty distinguishing the nature of oft used (and misused) terms and phrases e.g.

1.)
Quote from: WilbyInhebriated
it's not that i "dislike"...

Did I accuse him of disliking anything? I believe my only statement that could be construed as addressing him recently was:

Quote from: exxcomm0n
.....then you and Wilby can proselytize and cheerlead for Crooker to your hearts content

www.phrases.org.uk kindly offers the definition of:
"To one's (or your) heart's content means to one's complete inner satisfaction - until one's heart is content. "

That seems a far cry from dislike.
 
2.)
Quote from: WilbyInhebriated
i could care less what one fool donates to another fool.

He cares about the actions of those that he deems fools?

Now while I'll admit that there are fools whose actions we should all care about, namely politicians as they are the only fools that have the power to effect our lives, I usually completely lose any interest of any type in those I deem a fool except when the actions of that fool may endanger my safety or freedom <see above>.

If he "could care less" there is some amount of care he must have to be able to attain a lesser amount care.
Perhaps he meant he "couldN'T care less" as that would attribute an absence of caring and so the level of care would reside at null.

Actually, I think he has a misunderstanding of my level of care about his opinion since his dismissal, but hopefully he should be able to discern it now.

3.)
Quote from: WilbyInhebriated
posting here demanding satisfaction for a donation is beyond asinine... and moves you that much closer to archer. i've read your posts, i know you are better than that.

K, considered an asinine fool, but known to be better than that?
The chasm of dichotomy in being first called an asinine fool, and then appealing to something "better than that" should be obvious to anyone.

The "concentrated nasty" of these arguments is a bit ridiculous if they contain no real logic.

Personally, I'd investigate different counsel.

If it is determined to be Fraud ,I will attempt to cover Archers Debt to you
It may take some time......
Chetkremens@gmail.com

I think Crooker's actions have determined fraud beyond a reasonable doubt, don't you?

The fraud would be that he introduced an idea as an already accomplished fact.

The proof would be that 3 years after the promised release of this unsubstantiated fact we ain't seen hide, nor hair of any proof to sustain that he's "been there, done that".

You covering his debt is not necessary as it was a statement made more to prove a point than one to be used as an actual avenue of renumeration.

Let's see if Crooker (the inept Inuit) Quinn can step up with the proof the last 3 years have lacked to substantiate that claim.

Until then, I assert that his intent was fraudulent and that a donation given to what proves a fraudulent "cause" is no more protected from the pursuit of recompense than any other unsatisfying fiscal transaction.

Get the picture? ;)

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Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #6851 on: July 31, 2011, 12:52:41 AM »
Exx
See I don't see it as Fraud at all,But missguided Zeal,biting off more than one can ever hope to Chew in the heat of the moment.

And then having done so, Choking..........

See I propose that Archer  was suffering from lack of oxygen at times
due to Hyperventilation and Choking.
This Made him Woozy and unable to make rational decisions at times,
And since he did not have the benifit of a Sidekick [assistant]
and was performing superhuman Feets Solo.

He Choked..............

A sincere dedicated Humanitarian with a Devout hatred of apples and Newton ,A real Mans Man A "hero" if you would??

Who, left to choke on his overchew [bite] became delerious and not totaly accountable for his actions.

A tru Hero Never the less..........
This is the argument I will be Developing .......
And the money Back thing It is for real,I feel i am Culpable in your loss!

And since you are a "good sort" will share your loss [financial]

To be continued...........

Chet

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Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #6852 on: July 31, 2011, 03:23:34 AM »
i do not represent ramset... did you see me accept his proposal?
now, let's get on to your logical fallacies, misrepresentations and outright lies...
1.)
Did I accuse him of disliking anything? I believe my only statement that could be construed as addressing him recently was:

www.phrases.org.uk kindly offers the definition of:
"To one's (or your) heart's content means to one's complete inner satisfaction - until one's heart is content. "

That seems a far cry from dislike.
nice attempt at misdirection... and an outright lie. yeah, you did accuse me of disliking:
You not liking that I'm calling him to the carpet about it and Wilby not liking that I'm asking for a refund of a donation doesn't concern me, much as Crooker's failure to produce what he promised, even to this day, doesn't seem to concern either of you.

We all have our agendas, eh?
maybe you should actually pay attention to what you post... ::) i expect you will now attempt to argue semantics over 'disliking' and 'not liking'... TU STULTUS ES...

2.)
He cares about the actions of those that he deems fools?

Now while I'll admit that there are fools whose actions we should all care about, namely politicians as they are the only fools that have the power to effect our lives, I usually completely lose any interest of any type in those I deem a fool except when the actions of that fool may endanger my safety or freedom <see above>.

If he "could care less" there is some amount of care he must have to be able to attain a lesser amount care.
Perhaps he meant he "couldN'T care less" as that would attribute an absence of caring and so the level of care would reside at null.

Actually, I think he has a misunderstanding of my level of care about his opinion since his dismissal, but hopefully he should be able to discern it now.
i could care less... ::) again, tu stultus es.

3.)
K, considered an asinine fool, but known to be better than that?
The chasm of dichotomy in being first called an asinine fool, and then appealing to something "better than that" should be obvious to anyone.
again, tu stultus es... i never said you were an asinine fool... i said "posting here demanding satisfaction for a donation is beyond asinine". there is a not so subtle difference i wouldn't expect you to understand. although i would expect you to engage in logical fallacy... and you did.

next logical fallacy...

edit: i was mistaken though... you obviously aren't 'better than that'.
if you have a problem with your donation to archer, sue him in a court of law for recourse... whinging about it here make you look asinine.

exxcomm0n

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Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #6853 on: July 31, 2011, 04:51:31 AM »
This is a work in progress and much more derision and reaping of my amusement in Wilby to follow. I just have to change locations right now and editing the post later there serves my purposes bettah.

Stay tuned...... :D


i do not represent ramset... did you see me accept his proposal?
Doesn't really matter whether you did or not. I'll use it as an excuse for my amusement much as your posts here try to achieve the same.
Should I hold myself to less of a standard  than you do?

Let's proceed.
 
now, let's get on to your logical fallacies, misrepresentations and outright lies...nice attempt at misdirection... and an outright lie. yeah, you did accuse me of disliking:maybe you should actually pay attention to what you post... ::) i expect you will now attempt to argue semantics over 'disliking' and 'not liking'... TU STULTUS ES...

Oh gee, I'm sorry I don't hang on your every word. I picked the convenient ones, like you do. Just trying to keep up with the standards you set.
I wonder, what's your definition of "recently" please?
 
But K then, I"m stupid and you enjoy interaction with stupid people soooo much that you care to spend so much time interacting with them and seem to wait in anticipation of the chance.
I feel warm and fuzzy now.

But it does seem the activity of a troll, and as much as you may deny other things, you're strangely silent on that observation.

But it's K 'cause now I have 2 dancing monkeys for my amusement.

Latin cannot lend your attacks upon me credence or substance. I do pay attention to things I deem worthy of attention. Your cares are not, you supercilious sot.

But you are a more fun toy now, proving as good as Archer in soooo many ways, so carry on.
All it takes is a little taunting, eh?

But, if you want to parade as a higher intelligence, try to do it w/ a little more style as that is inherent of someone that uses those words regularly, instead of looking them up and using them in an attempt to spice up their weak commentary because the charade will wear thin and won't help hide that certain dribble of the slack-jawed you've portrayed so well.

i could care less... ::) again, tu stultus es.

So much to say and so few ways to say it. This is the part that will wearing thin anon. But for now yer funny so ride it into the sunset, Sundance.

again, tu stultus es... i never said you were an asinine fool... i said "posting here demanding satisfaction for a donation is beyond asinine". there is a not so subtle difference i wouldn't expect you to understand. although i would expect you to engage in logical fallacy... and you did.

next logical fallacy...

edit: i was mistaken though... you obviously aren't 'better than that'.
if you have a problem with your donation to archer, sue him in a court of law for recourse... whinging about it here make you look asinine.

Oh gee, why should I rise to a status that you don't hold yourself to?

Dance monkey, dance. :D
« Last Edit: July 31, 2011, 06:01:44 AM by exxcomm0n »

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Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #6854 on: July 31, 2011, 05:04:04 AM »
HHMMM
A rubber room match?

W    Ibeatumupumous [His Latin handle]

Vs The  X man.  AKA   EXXValdeez  Ileakumoutamylipumous Muchamous [his latin Handle]

HHMMMmmmm.

Chet