This might seem like semantics to some but technically the magnet repulsing another magnet with a washer on top example is not doing work [in this classical physics description] - that is neither here nor there in the context of this discussion but you provide an interesting parallel for your pure mechanical system Archer.

As an aside, a bloke named Ralph on the Bessler forum has a picture of his weather vane suspended in the same manner i.e. an almost frictionless bearing as he describes it, but you need a non-magnetic shaft for the vane to rotate around - its been 'floating' like this for nigh on 20 years according to him without losing appreciable height.

this is my last post until then. You don't need luck so i won't wish it.

Take care Archer and see you in a few weeks time, looking forward to it 
 

Ok, my little brain is starting to think about what is being said here.

It is not just the weight, but the force produced that will move the wheel.

To me that means  F = MA  or Force = Mass times Acceleration

As gravity accelerates the small (extra) mass on the unbalanced wheel - more force is available.

When I say small extra mass.. I mean that created by a mass shift.

Maybe as that mass gets to say 6 O'clock it is lifted by an outside force - say and electromagnet -- keeping the wheel unbalanced... but my little brain tells me that as the Mass accelerates... more and more lifting force would also be required to counter the force produced by the MA.   At some point an equilibrium would be reached.    hmm.. it is still worth experimenting.

It may also be required to start the wheel by hand or a crank to get the small Mass up to acceleration to create the needed force to produce the needed torque. 

Bill

I've always been of the opinion that you cannot divorce electricity and magnetism. The "by-product" of a magnetic field from current "flowing" through a wire should prove that.

Is it possible that magnetism is a state of electricity, or vice versa?

Let's not forget gravity. Is that perhaps another state? Or just the collector?

These are just base musings.

Hi all, i did day that that would be my last post until i released the machine details, and although not built, i feel i should do this now (just in case) in any event if it is built by someone else first it does not matter, so long as it is built, this way the will be no 20th of june let down if i don't get it completed on the exact day, and if something happens to me or the sites then it is too late for the MIB, so give a about 15 mins and i will type out the instructions.

at this point though i would ask you to ignore any of the newtonians, remeber this is not theory, this already worked, and this is the machine from before not the one being built (refer to chad) so concentrate on helping each other follow the instructions, not listen to someone quoting you math. (although once you read it you will know anyway.)

a little surprise attack if you will for any authorities waiting for june

Hi all, i did day that that would be my last post until i released the machine details, and although not built, i feel i should do this now (just in case) in any event if it is built by someone else first it does not matter, so long as it is built, this way the will be no 20th of june let down if i don't get it completed on the exact day, and if something happens to me or the sites then it is too late for the MIB, so give a about 15 mins and i will type out the instructions.

at this point though i would ask you to ignore any of the newtonians, remeber this is not theory, this already worked, and this is the machine from before not the one being built (refer to chad) so concentrate on helping each other follow the instructions, not listen to someone quoting you math. (although once you read it you will know anyway.)

a little surprise attack if you will for any authorities waiting for june

Hi Archer
Some Time ago i had made a post on this thread.
I refer now to the last sentence.......i had a 6th sence

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@Neptune
We have a Date to wait for.
The date will come.With or without his new advice.
I think the inventor is a realy clever guy. If you read his plans carefully,you can see,that he explained a lot yet.

@Feynman
He will protect himselve via clever actions.
I guess,some of us will be surprised,others not that much.
If i was on his place,the plans would be spread to servers in all kontinents
and would be posted by a army of bots ,fully automaticesd.

Or he has prepared the future all ready.Who knows.

helmut

p.s.:
If the first Wheels producing their share in free energy,then comes the moment,that
your thermal accsselerator will be in the focus of some rebuilders.
To the others i like to state:If the last instruction(secret) is disclosed start learning
how the system interacts.
The hdd might crash,or papers can get lost,but you will keep your knowledge.
Nobody can steal it from your mind.

helmut

The fame will be yours

 Instructions.

To a new beginning, and vindication for all those who tried before and failed, for they understood that if no one man can no everything, then Newton could not write laws that hold true for everything.

Firstly you would do well to examine and understand the large European wheel that uses the springs in the bottles to shift the weights, the error was simple, not enough weight being shifted pro rate to the wheel size and too much friction for the amount of weight being shifted. (I could probably work if modified.)

The basic principal of perpetual motion is not to create energy from nothing, simply to create perpetual motion, this machine does just that but transferring one form of energy to another, the losses normally associated are removed by existing power in the form of magnets, that are basically stored energy that work endlessly. So no magic and nothing you do not understand.

As with two ring magnets on a pole one keeping the other suspended, this was simply put to work.

The original machine unlike the one I am building now worked as follows, the centre axel of the wheel was an 18 volt motor/generator the shaft ran directly to the centre of the wheel, no belts or pulleys. The arms/tubes were around 1meter in length, the internal rods were non magnetic and the weights on each end the same, the total weight was about 1.5 kg per rod, and the tube was stainless. The motor shaft was simply pipe clamped either side of an aluminium disk like the turntable disk, with a ply face glued and screwed over it, and the arms x 3 were fixed equal distance apart each over the top of the other, and simply had aluminium strapping over them to the disk and screwed down (bitch of a job after the first one, get some blocks to hold the pipe in place)

The rods were including the magnets that were disk magnets (not rings) and were around 3-4 inches total short of the arms, at 7 o?clock through to 9 o?clock the was an arc/curved electromagnet (looked like an I beam with the wire around the centre polarising both plates) it was flat I bent it slightly. This when on simply kept the rod from sitting left or centre, so it has to rotate as the weight cannot sit even or left, always to the right. This I believe should work without the rest of the machine if well machined and correctly weighted.

The satellite effect is this, from ten past 12 to (2.30 roughly or you firing mark) there is simply an arc of permanent magnets at this point, they do not lift the rods, they are not meant to, but they should be able to hold the weight of a rod to almost vertical in a tube before letting go. This is the earth, rather than the curve of the earth from outside the circle, I reversed it so the satellite or rod was drawn toward the inside of the curve of the arc, instead of the outside curve of the earth.

Crucial here is to find the point at which the rod lifts from the base magnet during rotation, and the earth arc must finish at around 75 percent of the opposing alignment with the tube.

The effect is this, pushing a full shopping trolley, or pushing one that is being pulled from the front at the same time. The reason for the arc is field, from the top of the arc there is already someone pulling the trolley so to speak, so the magnet at the base has little work to do knowing you have already tested the drop point and strength of the arc. The reason it must finish where it does is the rod should arrive just when it misses the arc, or catches insufficient pull to hold it there, the falling satellite, just cant quite get there only inside out.

Now there is a wall if you try to use permanents at the base rather than draw power from the generator to pulse the base magnet, it can be breached but the weight calculations are difficult , you can use a mica switch for the arms as they are over the base magnet to pulse the electromagnetic or a light beam sensor like a shop door entry. The light beam would only suit a larger wheel. And the power is only used during that pulse. I use the arc system so you don?t need exact positioning over the end of the arm, you need stops at the end of the arm for the rods that are not obtrusive as the arms must almost graze the arcs.

It cannot be anything but unbalanced, for the first time in your life you are trying to imagine the opposite, how can it stop? How can the arm ever sit left or centre, and there are always more than one weight on the wrong side of the wheel? So how can I make it not turn?? You can?t

God speed.


Archer Quinn

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magnets are stored energy of the most vast power output even from a small one you fail to see they are no more than a battery that has a massive lifespan.

of course there is stored energy, it is in the permanent magnets, and no work required or energy in to produce those fields.

@Archer,

While I agree with you that magnets are like batteries, they are manufactured through the use of presses and field generators, which themselves require tremendous amounts of energy -- similar to manufacturing heat-treated springs.  It would seem, therefore, that magnets store energy associated with the manufacturing process.  This begs the question: "Can we extract the energy that goes into creating a magnet?"  Clearly, magnetic strength decays over time, and one would like to know if we can expedite the decay under controlled conditions and scavenge the energy as it is released.

.. Q: Is your device extracting the energy that was imparted during fabrication of the magnet?


Cheers
Yada ..