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Offline oak

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Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #120 on: May 01, 2008, 10:47:11 PM »
OK I didn't see your post (Archer) about removing the lid from the cup until after I posted mine.

So:  have 1-ton weight on one side of the fulcrum, balanced with a 1-ton weight and a cup of helium on the other side.  (The fulcrum is not centered exactly between the two, given the slight weight difference.)  Remove the lid of the cup.  One side or the other will rise, given that air will replace the helium in the cup.  Probably the side opposite the cup, since air is heavier, but it might depend on whether you put the lid back!

(ETA:  Just saw your last post, so OK, this would not work either due to friction.)

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Re: Roll on the 20th June
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Offline ramset

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Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #121 on: May 01, 2008, 11:00:20 PM »
Oak thats simple  very basic   that works   Chet

Offline sm0ky2

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Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #122 on: May 01, 2008, 11:24:31 PM »

the first person to write how and why will get the first copy of the machine when complete.





very simple.  ::  start with 32,169.6716 cubic feet of helium (at ambient pressure).
and compress this into a cup.

now simply take the lid off the cup, releasing this helium into a baloon, tied to the top of the 1 ton mass.

this could also be done using slightly less helium - by using a 'rigid' (metal) baloon, and less than ambient pressure.

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« Reply #122 on: May 01, 2008, 11:24:31 PM »
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Offline sm0ky2

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Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #123 on: May 01, 2008, 11:29:52 PM »
i may be totally off here, but loking at the picture -

i would guess that a current is ran through the 'washer-stacks' , to form an electromagnet.
providing lift at just the right moment.

Offline b0rg13

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Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #124 on: May 02, 2008, 12:19:30 AM »
hmmmm , intersting pic, are/is the magnet array expanded at 7 and contracted at 1?.(some how, just a small movment in weight and practicly fritionless ?. im just thinking/blundering out loud  ;D.

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Offline yaz

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Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #125 on: May 02, 2008, 02:17:19 AM »

" This is where Newton?s teachings screw everything up and logic goes out the door. try really basic logic, if you have i cup full of helium, will it lift 1ton of weight? absolutely not says smokey by using Newton?s calculations as they do not include environment, i say it will. Think logic and simple."

Ok, how about this: Get a hot air balloon, fill it with enough helium until it perfectly balances out the weight of the 1 ton load. Place the cup of helium under the balloon, lift the lid off the cup. The extra cup of helium added should make the balloon lift the 1 ton weight. Remove 1 cup of helium from the balloon and the 1 ton weight should fall back down....I really don't know, just throwing ideas out there..Love this thread. Can't wait till June 20th!! :) : ;D

Offline ramset

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Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #126 on: May 02, 2008, 02:57:54 AM »
I guess we have to wait till Archer gets home from work [doesn't seem right the guy changing the world punching a clock while Rome burns]  not his fault just don't like it  Chet

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Re: Roll on the 20th June
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Offline Gustav22

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Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #127 on: May 02, 2008, 08:44:36 AM »
I think Archer's design need not make use of magnetism, as he says he simply wants to reverse gravity,
or rather reverse the effect of gravity, so that it pushes (up the rods) on one side and pulls up on the other.
Push coming to shove, so to speak.

edit: The drawing I had posted here was flawed. I deleted it and will revise it.
« Last Edit: May 09, 2008, 11:58:14 AM by Gustav22 »

Offline atlantex

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Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #128 on: May 02, 2008, 11:26:17 AM »
Hi,

the 1ton weight could be cut in many tiny pieces and then lift piece by piece.

Another possibillity is to use a lever which is long enouth on the cup side...



Are the rings,washers or what it is shiftable on the shaft or is it fixt to the shown position?


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Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #128 on: May 02, 2008, 11:26:17 AM »
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Offline The Eskimo Quinn

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Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #129 on: May 02, 2008, 11:45:31 AM »
wow has taken 3 hours to get on here, just kept going to that user hartiberlin exceeded page.

Yaz wins, albeit that it is not a hot air balloon but a helium balloon that is sealed as helium balloons are. the object was to show you tipping point, when any weight has a counter weight "or lift" on the verge of the tilt then it takes nothing to do this, to move the cup is nothing, you do not need to move a ton or a shitload of helium.

so too you do not need vast weights moved. Newton?s error is singular thought, the variant has always been environment, if the weight already exists then the energy required is equal to moving the cup of helium. and before we get too carried away. "no" this device has no helium or any gas.

for a basic show yourselves how it works i have uploaded a story to my website to follow and instructions to do this yourself, once you know this is fact, not math, then you will understand more why Newton?s calculations can't ever be correct.

remember when you are done, that this turbine is as normal as any in existence.

ah if free energy was only that simple is the cry, ahh if only we had a wing shape flying around our heads everyday so we'd know what to use and build plans, ahhhhh if only.

email me yaz so i have your email address

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Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #130 on: May 02, 2008, 12:32:48 PM »
Interesting! and thanks for the interaction Archer, most people that claim this sort of break through seem to disappear and never see it through to the end.

I am better with pictures to understand stuff and find reading your explanantions hard going, but reading your clues over and over I do understand where you are coming from.

Will hold back dragging out the welding machine till a little bit closer to the date this end.
But defo up for a go of making this one if you are still going strong with it.
 
Good stuff and Roll On June!

Cheers

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Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #130 on: May 02, 2008, 12:32:48 PM »
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Offline CLaNZeR

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Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #131 on: May 02, 2008, 01:09:09 PM »
So add weight at 1 O'Clock and remove it at 7 O'Clock without using more energy than what was created by the 180 degree revolution?.

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/leap1.jpg)




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Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #132 on: May 02, 2008, 06:10:32 PM »
tried, attached as photo as large as the sire would allow

@Archer
I did my guess about the driveheads (Pic)

:First i do not expect to get the right answer.
But just for the Fun:
Somewhere in your discription was a reference about the spokes.
As i remember you stated ,that the Pipe is all ready filled with air.
So i think:
The Driveheads work as a valve.To get the Wheel moving fast,it does need a instand Air movement (Exchange) inside
the Spoke(pipe).The valve is open ,if the distance from Disc to Disk is like in the Photograph.
During the operation to propel the weight up,the disc are together without a gap and make shure that the Piston
will be driven fast.

Thats my guess

helmut

p.s.: The actuator might work via vacuum
and the Magnets are used to do the timing

Can you explain or give a hint what about the mysterious Driveheads

Thanks helmut

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Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #133 on: May 02, 2008, 07:31:48 PM »
Are these simply sliding weights?

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/driveh2.jpg)

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Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #134 on: May 02, 2008, 08:30:05 PM »
Are these simply sliding weights?

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/driveh2.jpg)

Cheers

Sean.

@CLaNZeR  @Archer
The Quality of your Pics is very good so one can see better details.

What we have learnd the last days is,that a heavy Wheel can be brought in motion
with just a fracture of the Wheel Weight.
So it might be possible,that the Stack of big Discs can be shiftet together ore streched,so they
are on the Pic with gaps between eachother.This funktion might result the overbalanced situation.

helmut

 

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