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Title: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: James Roney on April 19, 2008, 06:47:40 PM

To my YouTube viewers, and all interested parties:

I have received quite a few request on YouTube to find a better way to post my blue prints for the, "Roney Stator", one post of which invited me to come here, and post what I know. So I'll see where this goes, and post more here as time permits. However, OverUnity.com only allows 50 KB max for attachments, which means that my blue prints will not be very crisp or large in size for that matter.

This diagram shows the working design I use to make my stators perform the way they do. There is no margin for error as you must implement the shielding exactly as shown or you will end up with to much bulk. Note: You may use any non-magnetic material for spacers, but whatever you do, do NOT use aluminum for spacers or shielding as aluminum acts as magnetic brakes.

This shielding concept can easily be reformulated, applied into other design configurations. You will get results.

For a detailed overview how, and why the Roney Stator works, watch my video titled:

Part 1 - Stator for a Fuelless Magnetic Motor
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=rVdo0eLKwJE

Part 3 - Stator for a Fuelless Magnetic Motor - Blueprint
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=K-cDryO7pOE

Part 4 - One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=eo6CENdvG4c
In this video, my hand arks downward somewhat, but as you can see from video (Part 3) that the Roney Stator works perfectly.

To email me, simply go to my YouTube account.
http://uk.youtube.com/user/jamesroney

I hope this helps to better address how to build my one way magnetic shielding. At some point I might post a detailed report here.
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: helmut on April 19, 2008, 07:30:45 PM
Hello James Roney
Nice to have you here.
Welcome and thanks that you are going th share your findings with us.
If you have files as pics that are >50Kb thats fine.No need to shrink them.
If you first load the Pic to a webspace from rapidshare or some provider like
them,and than just link to the file , it will help to keep the Board fast.

The admin can give you a extra advice,where you can store bigger datas.

Everything will be fine.

Just feel like home and take part in the community

helmut
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: bourne on April 20, 2008, 01:25:51 AM
Hi James

waxingradiance is my youtube channel name. Thanks for coming over and posting you picture. It is much clearer than on youtube. The youtube version of the picture shows a double layer of rubber and tin on the end-section diagram, any reason for the change?
I will be trying your method once I have sourced some sheets of tin.

On the "stator video 3" it looks like the tin sheet is wrapped around both sides of the magnet (left one) is it just the rubber spacer that makes the difference? Just out of interest, what is the music for this video? it sounds like the beginning to a very good track :)

I must admit your "holy grail video 4" is very impressive and self explanatory.

Once again thank you for coming here and posting your information for everyone to see
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: James Roney on April 21, 2008, 05:22:22 AM
There is no change. I used the same blueprint here that I used in the video as best as I recall. It does not make any difference what we use for spacers as long as it's not magnetic or aluminum. I will make a detail video showing the actual construction of the stator ASAP.

The tin covers all sides of the magnet except one.

I'll have to check on the music as it one of some 3500 tunes I have stored in my iMAC.  I'll see if I can nail down the name for you.

Thank you for your interest. I hope I can be of help. I am working on something that I hope will finally resolve this riddle once and for all. I am about 10 hours away from knowing, but I can only have about 2 to 3 hours a week I can devote to this right now.

If all goes well, you, I, and the rest of the world will not only know if this is possible without the aid of electrical assistance, (non-pulse motor) but reveal exactly how this can be done incorporating a practical design that will have only one moving part. Simplicity at its best. We will soon see if I'm just crazy, or I'm actually on to something.

The design concept is so super simple, It is my belief that it will (NOT) work, as that would account for why no one has come forth with this simple idea. But on the other hand, if it works after all , it's simplicity will account for why it has been overlooked for so long.

Currently I do not have the some 20 required 4"x1"x1/4" neo bar magnets to test it, let alone the required 4" outer DIA, 3.50" inside DIA,  by 8" length cylinder magnet with the poles on the sides.  I will have to have this cylinder magnet made, I'm sure.

Thanks for your interest.
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: Golden Mean on April 21, 2008, 08:22:31 AM
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you!!

This really may be it... "The" Holy Grail to create a PMM.

Now... where to find the tin?!    ;D

Peace and Blessings to you for sharing this!
Will

Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: James Roney on April 21, 2008, 11:36:27 AM
You're welcome!  You're welcome!  You're welcome!  :)

Have you watched this video yet?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=K-cDryO7pOE

It also might interest you to know that you can use the natural attraction of the tin shielding to your advantage which further helps getting past the gate.

Someone here also started a thread on my research. It makes for a pretty good read. They bring up some really good points, and valid arguments, all of which I am well aware of, and far a head on, and some points of which no one has thought to bring up, yet.

Search for the thread, "New proof and blueprints on how to properly sheild magnets".

While I'm at it, there is a simple way to multiply my design to get all the torque one would ever need; enough to run a submarine, dead silent.  Best of all, there are no metal on metal moving parts to make noise. The engine would be 100% dead quiet.

A special magnetic addition (design change) to the otter hull of  a submarine could make it screw through the water 3 to 4 times faster than any submarine to date. Smaller subs specially configured to my design could potentially travel 4 to 6 times faster than any conventional sub will ever travel. Sorry, that's another story all by itself, one of which I cannot share.
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: utilitarian on April 21, 2008, 11:18:52 PM
Hmm, magnetic shielding AND a revolutionary new shape for submarines that quadruples maximum speed?

Maybe you should stick to one outrageous claim at a time, or someone, you know, may get the wrong idea that you are just making crap up.
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: bourne on April 21, 2008, 11:44:19 PM
@ut

you again!  ::)
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: utilitarian on April 21, 2008, 11:47:12 PM
@ut

you again!  ::)

Sorry but in the words of the great Monk:  "One impossible invention, maybe.  Two impossible inventions. . .  impossible."
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: bourne on April 21, 2008, 11:54:09 PM
Yes your right, the submarine thing might be speculation, I haven't got a submarine to try it out on, but the youtube videos of the shielding IMO would be impossible to fake.

Get some tin sheet and try it out, I am and I will post my results.
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: bastonia on April 22, 2008, 12:05:14 AM
@ James Roney,

Nicely done on your initial testing ... I have a question regarding your "tin" shielding.  The #04 B video it looks like your using thin sheet metal with tin plating.  Is this correct?  And could you tell us where you got your "shielding" materials from?

Thanks!
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: pese on April 22, 2008, 12:23:35 AM
This VIDEO say NOTHING !.
Even not an "shilding".
If in this Blocs are hidden horseshoe magnets than the Video will let shown exactly the same effetcs

Pese
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: bastonia on April 22, 2008, 01:35:42 AM
@ pese,

If you are so certain of yourself, please make you own little model and prove it ... it's very easy to throw stones.  I have not seen any proof yet to prove this incorrect ... please prove it.

Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: pese on April 22, 2008, 01:48:10 AM
@ pese,

If you are so certain of yourself, please make you own little model and prove it ... it's very easy to throw stones.  I have not seen any proof yet to prove this incorrect ... please prove it.



Think this way - so you understand,

2 Poles of (horseshos  like) magnet are on ONE SIDE
(also with 4 poles

S        N
N        S


or:


S         N


on the other side of bloc
is the middle pole of this Magnets,
taht are in any way NEUTRAL.
So they have mow power , no magnet field.
Only the open ENDs have thos
Pese
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: James Roney on April 22, 2008, 03:41:14 AM
@ James Roney,

Nicely done on your initial testing ... I have a question regarding your "tin" shielding.  The #04 B video it looks like your using thin sheet metal with tin plating.  Is this correct?  And could you tell us where you got your "shielding" materials from?

Thanks!

I have no idea. Just that you find this same stuff in hardware stores year after year in the US.  However, Home Depot is where I got it.

It's typically used for flashing on construction sites.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=N9c9NB2m0jo


This is what the label reads:
Made by: SM
GZ HT 2x3"X7" FORM STEP FL
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: James Roney on April 22, 2008, 03:53:21 AM
Hmm, magnetic shielding AND a revolutionary new shape for submarines that quadruples maximum speed?

Maybe you should stick to one outrageous claim at a time, or someone, you know, may get the wrong idea that you are just making crap up.

There's nothing outrageous about the claim as it does not involve magnetics for propulsion. It's very straight forward and requires eliminating the crows tower which creates massive drag. It works on a new proper design never before devised yet mother nature uses it all the time. Nothing far out here, it's actually quite simple, only that mounting the propeller is the tricky part as it has to run dead quiet, for this is one propeller that has no axle.

The idea is based upon known working principles that are a part of our everyday life.
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: James Roney on April 22, 2008, 03:55:46 AM
@ut

you again!  ::)

Sorry but in the words of the great Monk:  "One impossible invention, maybe.  Two impossible inventions. . .  impossible."


Nothing impossible about a different propeller design. This design is complements of mother nature.
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: James Roney on April 22, 2008, 04:08:40 AM
This VIDEO say NOTHING !.
Even not an "shilding".
If in this Blocs are hidden horseshoe magnets than the Video will let shown exactly the same effetcs

Pese

Your post is so broken it's hard to understand.

It's 1"x2"x1/4" neo magnet. I list all of my materials at my UT homepage.  Your post is far from the truth. Possiblly you just want to lead people away from answers? For the video says a lot. Had you even read my UT posts, you would have leaned that I will be making a video that shows me make my stators, step by step. Additionally there is a hidden element on the back edge that no one knows nothing about as I have not revealed it. You are so wrong and than some about this.
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: bastonia on April 23, 2008, 01:50:27 AM
@ James Roney

Thanks for the response, it sounds like it's actually sheet metal.   I picked some up at Home Depot this past weekend and was playing with the concept.  I was able to repeat the "screw" attraction test.  But I was a little wary of the "pass-over" and "repulse" test I was concerned that the two magnets would be too far apart from the shielding to be effective ... but after reading your last response, "That there is another piece to the puzzle that you have not disclose",  I was then more hopeful.

Looking forward to the next round of videos and disclosure ... I myself will keep on tinkering.

Thanks for the fun!

 
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: Rusty_Springs on April 25, 2008, 09:47:42 AM
Hi All
Sorry I'm a little sceptical here for 3 reason first I have made a block magnet kick through the same as in that video using a horseshoe magnet, second I tried tin and a rubber airgap and had no change to the magnetic field between the two magnet and third in the kick through demo he has the magnet high going past then drops it in closer at the point it will kick back.
There must be some other secret if I'm wrong and this is a true shield because everything I have seen can be done with out shielding.
Take Care All
Graham
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: James Roney on April 30, 2008, 07:23:49 AM
Hi All
Sorry I'm a little sceptical here for 3 reason first I have made a block magnet kick through the same as in that video using a horseshoe magnet, second I tried tin and a rubber airgap and had no change to the magnetic field between the two magnet and third in the kick through demo he has the magnet high going past then drops it in closer at the point it will kick back.
There must be some other secret if I'm wrong and this is a true shield because everything I have seen can be done with out shielding.
Take Care All
Graham


If you DARE try this without shielding, the neodymium magnets will fly together so fast and shatter to pieces, you wont know what hit you. By the way, had you read my materials list, you would have learned there is no horseshoe magnet used. If you had continued to read, you would have also learned that I said I would remake the video as I was both holding the camera and performing the experiment at the same time. You will soon see there will be no difference.

 You should also watch the video: Part 3 - Stator for a Fuelless Magnetic Motor - Blueprint -  http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=K-cDryO7pOE

This video clearly demonstrates the extreme effectiveness of my shielding.


Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: utilitarian on April 30, 2008, 08:07:24 AM
By the way, had you read my materials list, you would have learned there is no horseshoe magnet used.

Pretty funny.  It's like saying, " Hey, I am not trying to trick you.  Didn't you listen to the part where I was saying this is not a trick?"

Hey, if it's the real deal, we will hear about you around Nobel Prize time.
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: Rusty_Springs on April 30, 2008, 10:02:26 PM
Hi James
I'm not saying you don't have shielding, I'm saying it is yet to be proven and what you have shown I can do with out shielding, first the screw not attracting to the magnets if you put 4 bar magnets together so each corner attracts and you put steel on each corner like a steel ball now you have a square that does two things first a screw, nail or another steel ball wont attract to it and second it becomes a mono magnet were north and south poles of another magnet will attract to each corner, so theres you screw test done with out shielding or maybe you could class the steel balls as shielding but all the setup is doing is holding all the flux inside the square, do it with any loop a triangle for instance and the same thing happens.
Repelling both sides is placing two magnets together at the same pole and placing a piece of steel between them so they hold together and bingo you have the same poles on the out side so if you place another magnet near it with it north pole facing it it will repel one side turn it around it will repel the other side.
Last the kick through you can use a horseshoe magnet or two bar or block magnets joined at the right angle to magnet a block magnet kick through, I have done it 1000's of times my Trigate does it my corner gate does it Howard Johnsons gate does it and he shows how anyone can do it, place a horseshoe magnet or the magnets I mention joined at an angle above a block magnet so the repel is over the magnet you want to move and it will kick through, why because a magnet always wants to move from repel to attract so if you put repel there it will try and move through to the attract but momentum kicks it passed the attract until it pulls it back giving you a kick through effect.
I hope you have a true shield time will tell but I havn't seen one yet.
Take Care James
Graham
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: edelind on May 13, 2008, 04:20:44 PM
I tried to build a test shielding myself. I used ferrite magnets, magnetized on the big faces and tinned iron as shielding (rubber for spacers). It didn't worked perfectly, but I still noticed a visible difference. Here are the videos:

- push test on the shielded faces: http://youtube.com/watch?v=RJJIjNQWV1w
- push test on the unshielded faces: http://youtube.com/watch?v=MShg0HpvkhY
- and details of shielding: http://youtube.com/watch?v=eHH6nZJTV1I

If anybody, maybe James, can give more suggestion, I'll welcome.
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: bastonia on May 14, 2008, 03:19:43 AM
@edelind

I suggest using two layers of the tin,  and a maybe try a little thicker air gap with the rubber.  I have been able to put my test versions completely back to back without any magnetic reaction...

keep on playing!
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: edelind on May 14, 2008, 01:11:35 PM
Indeed 2 layers will do the trick, as you can see here (sorry for the poor quality):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7M3XJKFeZFc

Thank you for suggestions. Now the only thing left is to start using these "one-pole" magnets to get energy. Do anybody came with a configuration yet?
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: bastonia on May 15, 2008, 12:40:40 AM
@edelind

Nicely done.  So far I have not come up with the right configuration...yet, but there does seem to be a potential.  Keep on testing. :D
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: Rusty_Springs on May 15, 2008, 09:50:00 AM
Hi All
Sorry to say but that look like a pot magnet to me or to me from what I seen theres nothing different from that and a pot magnet.
Take Care All
Graham
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: edelind on May 15, 2008, 06:22:18 PM
Yes, indeed it's a pot magnet after all. I found the theory here (for whom may be interested):
http://www.goudsmit-magnetics.nl/fileadmin/goudsmit/download/folders/supplies_en_potmagneet.pdf
But maybe James has some use for them. We just have to wait and see...
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: NPCrush on July 29, 2008, 12:09:19 PM
hi, i saw the videos, it's so interesting.

my native language is not english, so i hope that u can get my point.

the cover, is that pure Tin? or Tin plate? (Tin plate : Tin covered ion)
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: edelind on July 29, 2008, 01:26:08 PM
hi, i saw the videos, it's so interesting.

my native language is not english, so i hope that u can get my point.

the cover, is that pure Tin? or Tin plate? (Tin plate : Tin covered ion)


Tin plate
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: NPCrush on July 29, 2008, 07:54:22 PM
Thank u~ :)
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: hooters on July 30, 2008, 10:08:25 AM
so whats the status of this shielding?  If it works I would think you could make devices of all kinds using it.  Are there any more videos or people with test results to share?  Is this idea dead?  Can it be improved? Is this thing on?lol
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: stringguy on July 30, 2008, 11:52:30 AM
Additionally there is a hidden element on the back edge that no one knows nothing about as I have not revealed it. You are so wrong and than some about this.

so...."heres the answer but can't/won't tell" ....aaaaargh, what a tease.

is that it then?????????????????? :o
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: r909 on August 06, 2008, 05:11:47 PM
Why have none of you made a motor yet I dont understand! You have everything you need already!

Take a look at this diagram and someone make one please. I'm still in the process.

*Note that I was going to use Mu-metal as the shield but that doesnt work affectively enough as using the tin method as the shield. Wouldnt this work?*
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: Megaverse on September 01, 2008, 06:18:50 PM
I'm trying to mimic the tin shielding of james with only small magnets 1/2 long by 1/4 and 1/4 N40 ...I just try to notice any diminution of the repultion force, that's it. It's just preliminairy tests and i've notice that copper does brake the magnets a bit ...I have a plate of brass and a plate of copper at home and brass doesn't seem to do anything at all and copper when you let the magnet slide on it it slow down alot so my guess is it brakes like aluminium so "to advoid as shielding" i'm trying all materials as i go ...and also I have tin wire for welding eletronics it's 3mm dia. or 1/8 thick

see the totally not professional test but nonetheless not working here : http://www.megaverse.quotaless.com/martin.jpg

it was just a rapid test with 11/16 tin thick and only 1/16 plastic thick and there's absolutly no difference at all so i'm aware that it's wire instead of a plate but it's still really thick and there is no perceptive change so my guess is that with james shielding his tin is not only tin there must be iron in it and propably zinc also the tin must be added in this material so it's easy to nail through it...would be interesting to have a compagny name so we can contact that compagny and ask them directly.

The rounded up flat coil of tin in the photo is for melting (i intent to make a plate to rule out tin once and for all) even though it may still have a role in it all ...

Megaverse
Title: Paper Plate & Roof Flashing = Magnetic Blocking
Post by: Wildbill7459 on September 19, 2008, 04:10:11 AM
Just a few videos on youtube i made.......
just using paper plates and roofing flashing.............

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUwYeHv_JEw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOAofesnBTE

 Have a nice day.....................
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: broli on September 19, 2008, 05:58:46 AM
Very interesting stuff man  :D. Are those neodymium magnets? I believe you just found something cool, very awesome of you to share.
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: Megaverse on September 19, 2008, 07:22:18 AM
Wow nevermind my first post I really looked like a newbie, well I still am but i read a lot since and found some really interesting data on various metals. So thank to rodney to throw me on the right direction but i don't think this place will ever served me to anything because it took like a month before somebody adds anything to this tread so it's pretty useless if you ask me.

Anyway good luck to all of you and i wish you maximum success !

And death to bush and oil

Megaverse 
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: Ergo on September 23, 2008, 11:31:23 AM
Take a look at this diagram and someone make one please. I'm still in the process.
*Note that I was going to use Mu-metal as the shield but that doesnt work affectively enough as using the tin method as the shield. Wouldnt this work?*

Sorry to have to tell you this, but your contraption won't work.
Your main problem is that you lack basic knowledge of magnetic flux lines and don't see the whole picture.

The fixed magnets being shielded by the "high permeability material" isn't really shielded at all. It's pure attraction.
And the rotor magnets will be strongly attracted to the shield and it will lock them hard into this position and prohibit any "free" motion.
The attraction towards the "shield" will create a strong backpull if you force the rotor magnets past the shield. Thus no "free energy"

There is simply no such thing as a magnetic shield that isn't attracted to the magnet itself and this kill any "free movement."
This type of magnet motor shielding have been tried countless of times throughout history.
But the inventers didn't know that shielding doesn't remove the flux lines, it just reroutes them.
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: Megaverse on September 23, 2008, 10:29:20 PM
Wow Cool somebody finally said something. Well Ergo, you seem to know much, why don't you try one ? and no i'm not trying to be sacarstic or a smart ass, I am sincere, Try one or share your knowledge with us. If you did go to the university or something in the domain of magnetism I suggest you do some sort of cours on video and that you post them on youtube.com for example It would be great ...the only thing now is that it have to be 10 minutes films max of 1024 meg max too. That's crap but, if you find a better place than be my guess ! And don't forget to tell us, lol

And just thinking about it your right about the attraction, But can't we used it at our advantage ? i'll try to post some plan of what i mean exaclty later ...IF they are ever any response to this, Bye 
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: Megaverse on October 24, 2008, 08:52:16 AM
Ahh sadly james roney is a fuck'n'retard that don't know squat because there is no such thing as tin plates.

Apparently he can't read either because i've gone to the site of home depot and in the description it says THIN not TIN you damn stupid moron. So your holy grail must of been a beer dude ???

Anyway after that stupid jerk make me run like hell in that place to find answer I finally contacted the compagy in question to get some real answers and guess what there is no such thing as tin plates ...voila it's confirmed james is a moron of the worst case senario not to mention an asshole who sit on is pretentious glory and don't answer for anything ...hey, must be too occupied drinking from the holy grail huh ? ...So basically it's either aluminum which even that dumb ass would of guessed or galvanised(which means zinc plated) or plain stainless steel. that's it so both of them contain iron and guess what... MAGNETIC DOMAIN ...yes, that's it it won't work.

And before yelling succes make your search damn it ...you never heard of pot magnet that all ready do that and they are shielded mostly in steel case ?.ahh boy...


So me i'm done listening to either criminal fakers or dumb ass like this moron and i'm going to verify every thing myself (and so should you, look where it got me, no where).

So i'm appologising to the readers in advanced for the foul and probably unecessairy language but it felt damn good to smack that stupid moron in the back of the head !

Thank you for your comprehension and I hope I didn't offend you TO much, lol 

MEGAVERSE
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: CrazyEwok on December 03, 2008, 04:21:36 AM
Just some questions for the original poster... What grade/quality is the rubber? you say 1/4" thickness for the rubber and 1/16" for the tin. Have you tested this with other materials? and is the magnetic shield changable? if you use a denser rubber material can you make the shielding thinner? On this same line of thinking can you exchange the tin/tin plated material for something else like steel? I'm hoping to go to Clark Rubber / Bunnings to get some rubber for this experiment. Good work and thanks for sharing your observations.
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: Megaverse on December 03, 2008, 08:09:25 AM
Don't bother asking this fraud he won't respond ...I don't even think he comes here anymore but I didn't check so ...

Anyway a good explanation of all this shit ...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WJDFGvWkkc

And the plastic could be absolutly anything none magnetic ...like disposable dishes ? or a multitude of plastic bags ...whaterver ( i used a couple of paper sheets taped together)... it's just for keeping spacing between the IRON plates that ARE GALVANIZED (or zinc if you wish) and has nothing to do with tin, trust me tin has nothing to do with it.

I have 4 plates of 1/8 inch in pure tin and it passes right through as if there was nothing so james is a moron in bref or i should say a dreamer ...a too damn overproud one at that.

So i hope it helps, sorry for the harshness, And i wish you succes !

Megaverse
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: gyulasun on December 03, 2008, 06:19:08 PM
@Megaverse

First of all, please do not be so harsh on James... meaning your earlier letters in this thread.

Please understand that in American (and also in British) English "tin" has got several meanings. James Roney certainly did not mean pure tin what you have got because it is non magnetic hence cannot influence magnetic flux.

See this link what a tin plate may mean: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/roadshow/glossary/index.html#tin_plate

Tin plate
The metal, made of thin sheets of steel plated with tin, that was used to create toys far lighter than the cast-iron ones they came to replace.


So certainly the tin plate James uses is attracted by any magnet, because it is mainly iron plate covered with tin against rust and also make it look like nicer,  ok?  And the tin plate from Home Depot has not got several thin sheets of steel, it consists of one sheet or one layer only. If you have to use two or more layers from it due to strong Neo magnets, then you have to use nonmagnetic spacers in between, see below text.

And the '"good explanation'" link you referred to ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WJDFGvWkkc )
is neglecting the effect of strong Neo magnets, and in these cases of strong flux the tin(ned iron) plate should be used in several layers with non-magnetic spacers in-between, in sandwich fashion, James explained this in his first postings. 
You certainly saw the case of ceramic magnet with smaller strength wrt the Neo in the video, the metal plate he used was already enough to block the (weaker) flux flux from the ceramic magnet but was not enough for the Neo magnet.

Hope these are of some help for you and really no need for being harsh.

rgds, Gyula
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: Megaverse on December 03, 2008, 07:19:26 PM
No no ...I just didn't explain everything ...james didn't know which material he'd use and look it up in the home depot website where he buyed it and there it's writen "a thin sheet plate" (THIN, slim , as not thick) and not tin so i'm well aware that he didn't use pure tin I only use pure tin to proove it has nothing to do with it and that it's just the iron that did his job of diverting the flux and that's all...thus filling the magnetic domain and redering this whole discovery completly useless. or at least not his.

And if i'm being so harsh on him it's because of my earlier conversation with him (not here) and he's the kind of asshole who brag all the time. Just naming this the holy grail without even verifying anything in the first place tells of his arrogance and he made me search for a full month just to discover that he can't read correctly now that's a bitch don't you think, lol.

But I understand that it's not constructive and that the damn oil compagy are still dominating and we need to calm them down ...(like go make some plastics with your oil and shut the hell up hehehe).

So that's about it.

I'm sorry it wasn't up to your expectations but I still wish you luck if your trying anything !

Megaverse
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: CrazyEwok on December 04, 2008, 02:32:59 AM
Ok so let me get this right... The shielding doesn't really work? it was more the fact that non magnetic spacer held on by something that is magnetic forces you to make distace between magnetic sources... thus decreacing the strength through distance rather than shielding?
ok well back to my angled field rotor
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: What_The_Flux on December 04, 2008, 04:13:14 AM
Sorry to have to tell you this, but your contraption won't work.
Your main problem is that you lack basic knowledge of magnetic flux lines and don't see the whole picture.

The fixed magnets being shielded by the "high permeability material" isn't really shielded at all. It's pure attraction.
And the rotor magnets will be strongly attracted to the shield and it will lock them hard into this position and prohibit any "free" motion.
The attraction towards the "shield" will create a strong backpull if you force the rotor magnets past the shield. Thus no "free energy"

There is simply no such thing as a magnetic shield that isn't attracted to the magnet itself and this kill any "free movement."
This type of magnet motor shielding have been tried countless of times throughout history.
But the inventers didn't know that shielding doesn't remove the flux lines, it just reroutes them.

Ok so let me get this right... The shielding doesn't really work? it was more the fact that non magnetic spacer held on by something that is magnetic forces you to make distace between magnetic sources... thus decreacing the strength through distance rather than shielding?
ok well back to my angled field rotor


I have to agree with Ergo... and I am very hesitant to be a nay-sayer, but if the shoe fits....

My earliest OU experiments were with shielded magnets, in an attempt to verify the underlying concepts of the Perendev motor.
Cutting neo magnets is no bargain, but I did what I could.

My conclusions are that shielding can be a valuable tool in electro-magnetics, but I see no way it can provide overunity. That would imply tapping energy from the aether, and I see no mechanism for that to happen. Just having mag fields bounce off each other isn't enough.

I built a couple angled cylinder magnets with angled shields a la Perendev, and put one on a stator and one on a rotor. No question that the shields alter the magnetic field, but they only shift the flux lines. And yes they are shifted asymmetrically, but they only move the "sticky point" further down the line. My contention is if you integrate the force along the x axis, you still end up with a net zero. This is consistent with the results I got. The rotor seems to go easier past in one direction, but then you have a nasty tug when the magnets get by each other.

Further I'll say that if you take two magnets, shielded however you would like, and model the magnetic fields around both (don't care if you prefer flux lines or a spin model), then pass them by each other in any dimension. Integrate the forces over the x-axis. I don't see how you can come out with anything other than a net zero force.

I was initially given a lot of hope by a graph somewhere that showed how the shielding made the force curve asymmetric, but I later realized the graph wasn't an accurate representation based on testing. It looked like if you integrated the force you would have a net positive in one direction. Since then I have been searching for data anywhere that shows that shielding yields a net force in one direction. I haven't found it yet, but I'm open to listen to anyone who says they have empirically or experimentally found the "holy grail".

I was extremely excited when I started studying the Perendev, but it's been years since we've heard a peep out of them, and I have to conclude that they have either been fooling themselves or fooling us.

Hope I didn't offend anyone.
Please prove me wrong! I'm here for the same reasons as you!

WTF
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: Megaverse on December 04, 2008, 07:27:44 AM
I don't think you could possibly ofend people more than i all ready did ...sorry for that by the way to everyone ...exept james of course ...dirty little ...ahem... Well I agree too with ergo, And you too WTF
I still hope though that we all overlooked something and someone will finally found something and not sell it to thoses assholes of general electric... Well for one, neo magnets are just too freakin strong as you can see in my early post where i posted a youtube video about this shit NOT being a holy grail maybe we should concentrate on ceramic magnets witch are less humongously strong (and better shieldable) that's just a basic idea and instead of breaking our minds trying to shield everything why not use pot magnets ? they are all ready in case pots ? you can ask for about any forms you wish AND even if you would only get 2 damn volts out of anything you make for free even if it's not a rotor/stator with damn magnets why not use this little force to then move electromagnets to get real strenght in a movement ?

I know i exagerate using only 2 volts to power these magnets but surely it doesn't take that much to just get a little peak to push (not forced to be a big full push that use 120 volts+, just small energy cost efficient push to slowly raise the strenght of the spin then adding as the strenght build up ?) isn't this an idea ?

Anyway I'm sure everybody else think about that before me i just want to remind or actually just speaking about it could make some else spark all of a sudden, lol

My experiments are on the same shit as everyone else except for a thing or 2 My rotor is a uniform magnet on the north side and my stator is well it's hard to explain remember the movement on the wheels of the front of steam trains ? the shaft/pump that forces the other wheel to turn ? well my stator is full of this in an oblique postion let's say about 35 degrees clockwise and there's a kinda shark tooth at the end of each of those shafts that points towards the rotor witch when they are in the down position they work like regular explosion car engines (they are forced down with another mechanism and when release they go up forcefully) the problem is of course the mechanism to crank the "thooth" down toward the repulsion force as usual so i'm stuck like you all ...I had a couple of ideas like separate those "thooths" into several groups so when some are released it would forced another wheel to turn and with the mass of this wheel that we would need to turn manually for now (to start) it would built up strenght to crank this thooths down and of course they are blocked from going back up until they are released and i could also hmm I don't know any words for this ....decentralized the force by adding some gears (so it needs less strenght to lower theses "thooths") in the end it would look like a grand father clock in some museum or something like that hahaha...


Anyway tell me what you think ? or if there is some major problem with this ...honestly i just came up with this wierd idea when i started this message so i decided to tell you guys ...i hope it doesn't look too foolish ...see ya

Megaverse
(Martin)

huh i just though of another shit process witch is probably dumb but ...anyway how about ..humm a big rotor ok that function with electromagnets ok for the pushing then in a triangular positioning there are 3 others rotors positionned on the first big rotor and are rigged in such a way the when you slighly turn the big rotor the smaller ones make at least one full turn ? i know it's possible to do that with gears i would have to study this to make a design so in bref a small but powerfull movement to make smaller gears/rotor move in (theorie of course) could the necessity of the big rotor be overwhelmed by the three littles ones (there could be more than 3) ahh well just having a vivid imagination tonigh and didn't want to waste it and forgeting it tomorow as usual lol so long guys.
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: jimhitt on December 28, 2008, 02:22:56 AM
You are all so smart.  What is this?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3940623695814013717
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: What_The_Flux on December 28, 2008, 02:49:06 AM
You are all so smart.  What is this?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3940623695814013717

That, to me, seems to be a magnet getting stopped with the exact same amount of force by which it is getting propelled. If anything, I think it illustrates my case.

The REAL question is 'what is THIS?':
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFGiWiXMHn0

...and why don't we have any verifiable evidence of its operation for the last three or four years.
This was the video that got me all excited about the concept. It was supposed to be demonstrated at a conference, but that got cancelled due to technical problems, and not a word about it for years. Now I find the video very suspect.

All I'm saying is 'show me some experimental data that supports the concept of this machine'!
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 28, 2008, 03:52:19 AM
To those of you whom posted YouTube videos in the first few pages, whos YouTube accounts have been TOSsed (for unknown reasons):::::


Could you please attach the video files here in this thread AND/OR make a new YouTube account, so these videos may be viewed??

Thank you.
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: jimhitt on December 28, 2008, 07:29:18 AM
Quote
That, to me, seems to be a magnet getting stopped with the exact same amount of force by which it is getting propelled. If anything, I think it illustrates my case.


Suppose you extend the device in the video I posted.  It will continue to move forward.  Perhaps if you put it in a circle you get a Perendev device.  And since it is really that simple if you had even a bit of imagination WTF you'd make one too.  I'm guessing that is why they are so reticent to provide verification.  It's so damn simple only the fools claiming that it's impossible keep it from being discovered by everyone else. 

Look at the links under more info on this youtube video.  If you watch the first animation with the idea of the stator magnets having poles on the sides instead of the ends, it should get clearer for you. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txYnzn1tGnA
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: What_The_Flux on December 28, 2008, 08:19:56 PM


 And since it is really that simple if you had even a bit of imagination WTF you'd make one too.  I'm guessing that is why they are so reticent to provide verification.  It's so damn simple only the fools claiming that it's impossible keep it from being discovered by everyone else. 


Now you're just being rude. I'm sorry I bothered trying to discuss this with you.
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: jimhitt on December 28, 2008, 09:42:19 PM
Now you're just being rude. I'm sorry I bothered trying to discuss this with you.

I don't intend to be rude, just to shake up all the certainty I see here that is based on conventional wisdom.  Please see my post on the "How does the Perendev's motor work thread" that details the configuration I used for a straight line Parendev type rail.  I have been a bit huffy, sorry
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 29, 2008, 04:33:47 AM


Suppose you extend the device in the video I posted.  It will continue to move forward.  Perhaps if you put it in a circle you get a Perendev device. 

Extending the array will work to a given limitation proportional to the Gauss of each of the gates vs the gauss of the "shuttle". Eventually it will reach the maximum distance, and to go any further you will have to build it with stronger magnets.

Enclosing the array in a circle, will simply kill the entire effect.  If the array was constructed 'imperfectly' you may get SOME movement between 2 points, but it will not traverse the entire circle even ONCE, much less multiple times or continously.

This is no different from the effects shown to us by the late (and great) Howard Johnson as far back as 1938.   

He went on to create a rotational motor - but he DID use special shielding to accomplish that task.
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: tosky on December 29, 2008, 07:32:55 PM
@What_The_Flux
The rotation energy comes from the 2 clamps (move) close to the rotor. The clamps from open to close applied energy when moving the clamps. Because the rotor has ball bearing, so that keep on rotating for a moment until the movie finished. If the clamps were closed and rotor has been fixed at first,  then release the fixed rotor. It will not rotate at all. Can you see the magic?
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: jimhitt on December 29, 2008, 11:10:33 PM
Extending the array will work to a given limitation proportional to the Gauss of each of the gates vs the gauss of the "shuttle". Eventually it will reach the maximum distance, and to go any further you will have to build it with stronger magnets.
I don't think so for a three row system.  I sense it will continue to move forward indefinately.  See my diagram in the "How does the Perendev work" thread.  It is different than a SMOT.  Just my opinion.
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: tosky on December 30, 2008, 03:25:16 AM
See the video again notice the bearing, the axis speed reduced before the clamps open. The open operation again energized the rotor. So the (open or close) operation same as push it manually. It will stop after a while if the clamps does not move.
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: jimhitt on December 30, 2008, 03:56:49 AM
See the video again notice the bearing, the axis speed reduced before the clamps open. The open operation again energized the rotor. So the (open or close) operation same as push it manually. It will stop after a while if the clamps does not move.

I agree the first video is a smot it will stop.  The second will not in my opinion if magnets are poroperly configured.
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: Megaverse on December 31, 2008, 04:29:49 AM
well i heard from an interview on radio with the guy from perendev (a mp3 i've downloaded somewhere i don't remember) that there was help with electromagnets to get the real strenght weither it starts with batteries or it just builds up electricity to then supply the electromagnets ...i dunno i don't think i even finish lisening it ? anyway if i ever find it again i could post it ?

Personnally i think he's a fraud but then again i could be wrong but wth he's he doing ?

Megaverse
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: Megaverse on January 02, 2009, 05:50:54 AM
ohh and just to say and I'm not criticizing this place because i don't know it too much but well me and a friend of mine (who has done the website) have just started another forum called infinite power and is purely about the same thing as here the only difference is that we have the control to ban the retards who criticized everyones work instead of doing something constructive and explain instead why it doesn't work (it goes both way of course) so in other words there is a karma system that if your too much in the negative you'll be ban and it can always be flip back to good karma. Anyway

I don't want to "steal people away" but if your interested you should visit our place and still be here also (we're all in the same boat and the enemy is the same) so why not hold hands huh hahaha

here is the address:   http://infinitepower.byethost16.com/forum/index.php (http://infinitepower.byethost16.com/forum/index.php)

Best of all it's bran new so the sooner your here the better places you'll have a chance to get ? (moderator, ect..) make your rep. and there's a few options in there that I didn't see elsewhere like we all have a lab! (it's a personal thread that you can do all you want in it and you can decide who sees it) and there's an education 101 page that is all about grasping the physics and the math behind what we are all trying to do, a "overunity device". And you can post videos in direct or "embed" if you wish from youtube so if you have an account you can post videos there and embed it directly in a message so if something is hard to explain or too long or you just need to show someone something then that's the best solution. (you can upload private videos on youtube also).

So in brief Your all welcome, on this good day

Megaverse

Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: What_The_Flux on January 02, 2009, 04:34:41 PM
ohh and just to say and I'm not criticizing this place because i don't know it too much but well me and a friend of mine (who has done the website) have just started another forum called infinite power and is purely about the same thing as here the only difference is that we have the control to ban the retards who criticized everyones work instead of doing something constructive and explain instead why it doesn't work (it goes both way of course) so in other words there is a karma system that if your too much in the negative you'll be ban and it can always be flip back to good karma.

I'm not sure if I take offense to that or not. I guess I've been negative on this particular thread, but I've been polite about it and I actually DID take the time to build an experiment, and I DID use the results to form some sort of logical conclusion. My conclusion was that magnetic shielding DIDN'T allow for free energy creation, or net force in one direction over a closed loop. I don't assume that I know everything, and could be wrong, so I ask the rest of the community to show me data where I might be wrong.

I notice there are a lot of other people who happen to agree with me.... not because they are terminally negative people, but because they have either done or researched experiments which lead to the same conclusions.

And in my opinion, the most NEGATIVE and RUDE people here are the ones criticizing those of us who see a dead end here. (I could name names, but I won't). If everyone is entitled to an opinion, then so are we, without having to be called fools and retards.

I'm working on other over unity experiments now, but not pursuing one-way shielding. Not every O/U concept will yield successful devices.
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: utilitarian on January 02, 2009, 07:51:54 PM
the only difference is that we have the control to ban the retards who criticized everyones work instead of doing something constructive and explain instead why it doesn't work (it goes both way of course)

There is one other difference.  There is maybe a total of 10 posts on the entire board.  Maybe you are doing such a good job with banning that you have banned everyone?
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: Megaverse on January 05, 2009, 11:37:24 AM
lol no i also said that we where brand new, right ? i never banned anyone and even if i have the power to do so ...well actually just saying i have the power is completly rudiculous ...we're all trying to pierce the secrets of the over unity device and my goal is only that. (in bref you have to be way out of line for somebody to do something same as here i guess ???) we're about 6 or 7 members at the moment i write this with around 40-50 post (everybody has to start somewhere right ...see ya)
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 05, 2009, 10:11:08 PM
@ JimmHitt

i dont claim to be the magnetic grandmaster by any means.....
   but i do have the convenient advantage of being able to "see" magnetic fields using my equipment.

the field responsible for the movement of te shuttle looks EXACTLY the same as H.J.'s linear motor.

Take a look at the Tri-Force Threads.. if you still dont feel convinced...  then Extend that thing on out......
make it go as long as you can go with it, down the hallway?  down the street? 

Just a pure guess here, but with THOSE neo's, i give you 76 gates Max. 
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: Thaelin on January 28, 2009, 11:15:54 AM
   Well, I see it only took three pages to piss this guy off enough to leave
and take his vids with him. Really sad.

thaelin
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: gyulasun on January 28, 2009, 11:54:32 AM
Hi Thaelin,

All is not lost....

He reuploaded his videos again in last October, a few days after that  all his videos on magnetic shielding had been  removed by someone...

see here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agReLN-tGQE   

It is possible though he does not appear here nowadays due to some negative voices.

rgds,  Gyula
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: Megaverse on January 28, 2009, 02:28:43 PM
ahh no i'm sorry i'm not responsible for his demise. The guy can't even tell witch material he used so why bother. yes he placed his shielding in a cool way but that's about it since it's freakin iron you all know that it fills up the magnetic domain and it becomes useless cauz it BREAKS everything ???

anyway sorry to be the bad mouth in this but i still think he's a moron that throw himself on stage before even knowing what he has to show to everyone so it may just happen that he passes for fool, right ?

Mega
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: pese on January 28, 2009, 03:58:52 PM

I do not under WHY this Video ist to shown EVER and EVER.

Anybody can do this !
Not mysteric
not secret
Not  an device that is to use in MAGNET MOTOR.

It is only an simply physic and mechanic to di this.
strech your mind , and show than the video again.

YOU will find out

I done this 60 years ago , as child playing with magnets...

GP


Hi Thaelin,

All is not lost....

He reuploaded his videos again in last October, a few days after that  all his videos on magnetic shielding had been  removed by someone...

see here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agReLN-tGQE   

It is possible though he does not appear here nowadays due to some negative voices.

rgds,  Gyula
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: Megaverse on January 28, 2009, 05:27:33 PM
just out of curiosity Pese what's your orinigal language ? i'm french based , you ?

And we're always looking for senior minds so if your interested come to our forum to tell of your experiences your welcome ...i mention the adresse earlier in this tread but just in case it has been remove (i just didn't check) here it is again: http://infinitepower.byethost16.com/forum/index.php (http://infinitepower.byethost16.com/forum/index.php)

and you never did anything with this ? so in brief for you it's just child's play and there's nothing to do with this (even if it could be another material that has nothing to do with the property of iron ?). like Mümetal for example ?

anyway tell us more, bye
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: broli on March 19, 2009, 02:34:50 PM
Looks like he finally disclosed the "secret". Video can be seen here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6bE9TzetSA

That's also a good way to recycle dead batteries  ;D.
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: capthook on March 20, 2009, 01:03:58 AM
Thanks for the post broli.

Too bad it's really only just an 'optical illusion'.

When the unshielded sides/open doors are facing, they repulse at 3".

When the shielded sides/closed doors are facing, they STILL REPULSE at ~3" (2 7/8"?)

So it's just the DISTANCE/SPACING of the batteries etc. that are giving the ILLUSION of shielding.

Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: TechStuf on March 20, 2009, 01:06:33 AM

The Mumetal backing plates to hard drive magnets will do the same thing with less work and tolerance.  They can be had anywhere for next to nothing.....


Though not as cheap and dirty as dead double A's.


TS


Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: potatogunman on March 23, 2009, 07:57:48 PM
hello james  its me Zeropointprophet from youtube   just wanted to say hello    !   you have some great info posted   ill take a look!! cheers!!
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: Megaverse on March 23, 2009, 10:32:05 PM
I don't think he comes here anymore, at least not to this tread zeropointprophet so your better on youtube in PM...

I hope you can buy some bismuth ...I for my self I am contacting a mining company by email ...I hope i'll receive anything positive. If it's the case i could very well become a supplier, depending of course how much it's worth a pound for them.

see ya
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: Megaverse on April 11, 2009, 05:32:18 PM
ahh damn if i hear another asshole say "For it is written" i think i'll shot him in the kneecap damn idiot will you stop refering to that crappy bibble and think for yourself ? A bibble nowaday should be use to wipe the shit outta your ass dude ? wake up techstuff ?
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: AquariuZ on April 21, 2009, 12:27:08 AM
If you can correctly shield the flux of one side of a magnet you can build a magnet motor.

Simple as that.
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: ramset on April 21, 2009, 12:41:46 AM
Aquariuz

I seem to remember user Techstuff [his comment above] intimating he has done this

Chet
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: Megaverse on April 25, 2009, 05:23:53 PM
@Aquariuz

I've done it but the problem is when you have a complete wheel or rotor it f*ck up the flux for reason i'm no expert to explain ...i have a vague idea but well i'm at that point nowaday !
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: andrea on May 04, 2009, 12:42:57 AM

Good evening to all.
Anybody have seen the last video posted by JR, with the wheel with six magnets and his rotor? It's not clear how they are positioned, and how is positioned the stator, for me.  ??? Any suggests? Thank you very much. Andrea
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: Tina222 on May 04, 2009, 03:49:14 PM
Just to help clear up the "tin" issue--I've worked in sheet metal quite a bit over the years, and what James is  using looks very familiar. It's ordinary roof flashing: plain old galvanized sheet steel, usually 28 or 30 guage B&S. It's used for edge-drips and rain-proofing valleys and the joints between roofs and chimneys (among other things). "Tin" is just a holdover term from a hundred years ago when sheetmetal actually was tin--sometimes--and the workers were called "tinners" for the tin solder they used. Real tin, by the way, is not magnetic.
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: andrea on May 06, 2009, 05:46:47 PM
Good evening to all.
Anybody have seen the last video posted by JR, with the wheel with six magnets and his rotor? It's not clear how they are positioned, and how is positioned the stator, for me.  ??? Any suggests? Thank you very much. Andrea

This is the clip I was talking about:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzuXm7r8Ybw
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: Megaverse on May 07, 2009, 02:23:13 PM
Exactly what  i've been whining about a few messages up simple galvanized iron or steel if you think. And for the arrangmeent of the magnets on the wheel ...If you see can see it (the video) and you have the magnets then at least try to reproduce it ? ...trial and error, briefly. My guess is that the north pole is pointing outward like in every case ...
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: andrea on May 07, 2009, 05:46:20 PM
Exactly what  i've been whining about a few messages up simple galvanized iron or steel if you think. And for the arrangmeent of the magnets on the wheel ...If you see can see it (the video) and you have the magnets then at least try to reproduce it ? ...trial and error, briefly. My guess is that the north pole is pointing outward like in every case ...

This clip is, I think, interesting, cause the wheel seem to go over the usual gap of the last magnet. Yes, I'm trying to replicate it but it doesn't work like in the video. Maybe anyone know the exact position and orientation of rotor and stator, cause the draw that Roney put in this thread too represents another thing. If you see, then, he uses a kind of aluminium cover on the stator: why?
PS Sorry for bad English.

Best regards, Andrea
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: Megaverse on May 07, 2009, 07:23:15 PM
Well to be honest i'm not 100% sure so i fear that i might answer wrong and there's enough people here with "their opignons".

I say write to him but he started to work again and i'm not entirely sure if he'll respond. If he doesn't then i'll help the best i can but first you should try "the source" lol.

Even though he doesn't know much more than me he's the one who played with them. And It's the initial attraction of the first magnet that permits to advanced throught the others. having a full wheel won't have the same effect ! briefly it's the damn equilibrium again...ahh well !

Good luck

Martin
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: AquariuZ on May 08, 2009, 02:39:22 AM
I´ve been thinking a while about this...

Now today i actually had an idea. I took an old aluminum lid from the kitchen and attached it to a CD drive bearing (very loose spindown over 8 minutes).

Toy Magnetics on the rim S to earth N to sky. No cannot reproduct Mylow because it is not all aluminum (large bearing etc). But in a certain arrangement using something that looks like a propellor as a second layer on top of the pan I seem to be able to get bursts of acceleration.

Thing is it does not cover all the series yet and is thus out of balance... If I can get the shielding in correctly I will try and post some pictures.

So it is a double wheel, bottom one has series of magnets with the (back)end of every set partially shielded by a propellor blade which is fixed on top of the bottom wheel. The stator is on top of that and not connected (like Mylow).

Magnets get attracted by the stator and the assembly moves, then the propellor blade passes between the rest of the magnet series and the stator and the pull is almost eliminated so the wheel continues... Reaches next "open" series, pulls, accelerates and reaches the backend of the series which is covered by the blade. Very simple.

I´ll spend a good deal of time tomorrow testing further but for now... It looks surprisingly effective.

AZ
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: AquariuZ on May 09, 2009, 11:30:37 AM
* massive failure *

At least I have a nifty way of testing several configurations  8)

AZ
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: Megaverse on May 09, 2009, 07:03:54 PM
I would nonetheless wish to see it Aquariuz ! good hit or failure are important just so they are not repeated indefinitly that's the major reason why this forum exist ! ....and here's my latest idea ...may not be the brithess of course but hey it looks fun to try hahaha !
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: tak22 on June 14, 2009, 10:00:15 PM
potatogunman, AKA Zero-Point-Prophet, has a James Roney
replication video showing a slightly different construction

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvIa_QtnFkc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvIa_QtnFkc)

James posted a couple of comments on this video:

Quote
Wonderful construction! Far better than mine I think. You need a spacer between the magnet and the battery as you do not want the magnet to touch any metal whatsoever. Since you are using a thick steel plate on the backdoor, you can also do this with out the battery, Simply make three metal boxes around the magnet. The battery was used out of convenience as I stated in the video. You want to keep the spacing between layers around 1/4 inch.

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But yes there is a way to get rid of the attraction to the shielding. Simply use bismuth for shielding. It%uFEFF will block 100% of the flux without having to layer. Trouble with bismuth is that it's like a mirror, it bounces the flux right back to your rotor. So in the end, we still have the same ole problem. There might be a clever way to use bismuth, but I'm not talking right now.

tak
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: gyulasun on June 14, 2009, 10:43:54 PM
Hi Tak and all,

Have you seen this update from James:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyX-hJLGW0A

rgds, Gyula
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: goalitroll on September 14, 2009, 12:00:38 AM
James,
What is the most efficient way to run down batteries?
Thanks.
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: Megaverse on September 22, 2009, 07:26:35 PM
Quote
potatogunman, AKA Zero-Point-Prophet, has a James Roney
replication video showing a slightly different construction

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvIa_QtnFkc

James posted a couple of comments on this video:


Wonderful construction! Far better than mine I think. You need a spacer between the magnet and the battery as you do not want the magnet to touch any metal whatsoever. Since you are using a thick steel plate on the backdoor, you can also do this with out the battery, Simply make three metal boxes around the magnet. The battery was used out of convenience as I stated in the video. You want to keep the spacing between layers around 1/4 inch.


But yes there is a way to get rid of the attraction to the shielding. Simply use bismuth for shielding. It%uFEFF will block 100% of the flux without having to layer. Trouble with bismuth is that it's like a mirror, it bounces the flux right back to your rotor. So in the end, we still have the same ole problem. There might be a clever way to use bismuth, but I'm not talking right now.

tak

Just so we're clear bismuth doesn't block magnetic field at all i worked with james on that and he didn't know by then but still it "reflect" a small portion of it's field but it's really  not enough to make it levitate
and just to say i felt the field's forces through a 2 inch thick by 5rad disk so if it goes through that, guess it doesn't work huh ! (bismuth is natural just like magnetite and is really weak just like it's cousin execpt the effect is reversed instead of attracting it reflect "only magnets that is").

And forget the batteries in the process it's another beginner idiocy that james will confirm in due time he doesn't use them anymore knowing it's more or less useless and can be compensate simply by another layer.

hope it helps ...

Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: happyfunball on December 11, 2009, 07:23:11 PM
Is anyone following this story? James apparently had success using 'runway plates,' but YouTube immediately banned his last two videos, under a terms of use violation (I saw it myself), and threatened to close his account if he posts any more videos showing this technique. Wtf?
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: gyulasun on December 11, 2009, 10:14:24 PM
He uploaded it to video.myspace, see here:

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=101301890

Gyula
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: happyfunball on December 11, 2009, 10:34:00 PM
He uploaded it to video.myspace, see here:

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=101301890

Gyula

I saw this. There was another one after this which started the problem.
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: gyulasun on December 11, 2009, 10:46:32 PM
Hopefully he will upload the second one to a video site other than youtube if he really wish to spread it.
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on December 12, 2009, 04:55:58 AM
hi everyone good day  ;D

have a look at this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_hpRYsm3AY&feature=fvw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VGzGqtzpiY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qm6BJ1n9DvU&feature=related
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: Megaverse on December 21, 2009, 01:47:05 PM
yes, well from what I know from james until now he really is a good guy but he also live in his fantasy world like a nerd does. so HE got the solution and THE government is against him... Know what i mean... When he played with shielding at the beginning of this tread it was THE holy grail and we never heard of that afterward and then I presented him bismuth thinking it could do something (witch i was in error) but still he wrote everywhere that it was THE solution and make assuptions that were false WAY TOO FAST without even having played with bismuth... YES, he never bough any. So when now he speaks of his ramp ...yes it looks like it could works. AS MOST PROJECTS that are always on the verge of working and they NEVER do. Because we are sadly not too much educated with simple physics (I, of course, am in the front line). So in the end I really like this guy because he's always trying and never gives up like me but has littles flaws like bragging too soon without verifications first just to give examples hehehe.

I did tried to speak of this to him but i never did had an answer and even think he got upset with me a little.

But a true friend is someone who thinks your a good egg even though he knows that you are slithly cracked hehehe.


See ya all,

martin

N.B. Solution is in solid states ...i found one that needs to be verified ...it does work but don't know it's efficiency yet.

;)


Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: Megaverse on December 21, 2009, 02:37:23 PM
Quote
hi everyone good day  ;D

have a look at this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_hpRYsm3AY&feature=fvw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VGzGqtzpiY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qm6BJ1n9DvU&feature=related

This is a good example of a very good lost of time. He is only trying to see if the magnets degrade themselves after a certain time (some idiots thinks that apparently) they last around 400 years. And he doesn't even have any professional instruments to verify he just stick a screw driver to them and says "hey they are still strong". So, Brief, it's not a working motor at all. the motor is next to it. and theses experiments have all been done all ready. So why not do a little reasearch before starting a project you could save alot of time. Ask any company that sells neo magnets and they will all say the same they loose around 1% over time and for the standard ones if they are heated at 79degree and cools down they won't loose strenght permanently but as soon as it gets to 80+ it start loosing it's strenght each time ...at witch rate ? That I haven't any idea. Just ask the companies but for our own sake stop doing the same experiments over an over again. Do some research next time ok. Sorry if i'm being harsh didn't meant it that way.

Best of luck,

Martin
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on December 22, 2009, 03:13:01 AM
This is a good example of a very good lost of time. He is only trying to see if the magnets degrade themselves after a certain time (some idiots thinks that apparently) they last around 400 years. And he doesn't even have any professional instruments to verify he just stick a screw driver to them and says "hey they are still strong". So, Brief, it's not a working motor at all. the motor is next to it. and theses experiments have all been done all ready. So why not do a little reasearch before starting a project you could save alot of time. Ask any company that sells neo magnets and they will all say the same they loose around 1% over time and for the standard ones if they are heated at 79degree and cools down they won't loose strenght permanently but as soon as it gets to 80+ it start loosing it's strenght each time ...at witch rate ? That I haven't any idea. Just ask the companies but for our own sake stop doing the same experiments over an over again. Do some research next time ok. Sorry if i'm being harsh didn't meant it that way.

Best of luck,

Martin

well, in that sense you have a good info if magnets are really dying that fast, but according to others the magnets live up to 1012 years. now i'm confused.  ;)
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: Megaverse on December 22, 2009, 02:33:39 PM
ok tito nevermind me or the others and go ask a professionals it's always better to have a real answer then to listen to a couple of know-all-jacks who think they got the answer for everything ...there's alot of these here and sadly i have to include myself. So the best solution is to ask a couple of professionals i think i can't give adresse of website here either like all damn stupid forum (a question of spaming i guess). But do a research on google for magnet4less or goudsmith they are both really big and international companies that deal in magnetism and they know alot more then any of us. You should have an answer around 400-500 years ...it's not precise and it depends of the condition it has been suffering like humidity, friction, heat, ect...

Ahh and by the way ...seriously think about it ...weither they last 400-500 or a wierd precise number like 1012 ??? first we will be LOOOONG dead so who cares and second: nothing in a moving part machine will last as long we always think "hey, if magnets last 500 years than i can make a machine that would give free electricity for ...wow 500 years" but in reality bearings last like 20 years depending of the abuses, stress, heat, ect... and i'm not talking about the good ones from 1920 ...we are trap with the shit of today so 20 years maybe a little too generous. not to mention all the maintenance it needs to get to that 20 years ...arrg. So personally, I think it really don't serve any purpous to even mention it ... but nevertheless have fun with your projects and i wish you the best of luck.

On this good day,

Martin
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on December 25, 2009, 09:29:33 AM
HOW ABOUT THIS ONE
TAKE A LOOK

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0oUaPZ_wF8&feature=channel
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: Megaverse on December 25, 2009, 07:25:41 PM
I must admit tito that i didn't see anything that seems fake or any major flaw. there is still a possibility to trick this and the application seems limited at to the torque and it ain't for a house but i think that what we saw is fair possible. (well if your point was to shut me up tight well nice job tito hahahaha). If you have other similar i'd like to see them please.
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on December 28, 2009, 08:45:51 AM
I must admit tito that i didn't see anything that seems fake or any major flaw. there is still a possibility to trick this and the application seems limited at to the torque and it ain't for a house but i think that what we saw is fair possible. (well if your point was to shut me up tight well nice job tito hahahaha). If you have other similar i'd like to see them please.

@ meg

no sir i just want to hear some explanation from you cause i'm really learning many things from you.

now i believed that you are correct sir because one of my magnet's strength was lessened because of heat, i think even a year cannot last  ;D

sir i have a suspect that it uses the arrangement in HALLBACH array, JUST CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG

this one also sir

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf1IesrHBh0
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=333661567309752927#docid=7767509513976414065

is that guy demonstrating is JAMES ROONEY?

HERE IS THE HALBACH ARRAY AND SOME SIMILAR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAGu9ja3FQk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv-9IAj_YnI&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVbMsFv7Gp4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwBywqgBNVc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md4gikM9Ezs&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFN7cOOfq8M&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Y-AFQqZVBw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bn2cMEL71g0&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_mWA-s7vGg&feature=related

I JUST WANT TO INCLUDE THIS ONE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNW70RGjy1g
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: Magluvin on December 28, 2009, 09:42:46 AM
Tito
If you are using neo magnets, the temperature to affect them need to be over 150 deg F. Otherwise they should last many many years without depletion. Or if you are pulsing them in a very very high current magnetic field, that could hurt them also.
Mags
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: Megaverse on December 30, 2009, 04:44:47 AM
Well one is glad to be of service !

Frankly tito i'm not going to comment every video you sent. There is just too much and about each can be debated both ways (either a fake or not or even don't have any pratical uses).

Quote
now i believed that you are correct sir because one of my magnet's strength was lessened because of heat, i think even a year cannot last 
 

It's not exactly what i said or maybe I didn't make myself clear. it's each time you heat it above 80 degree celcius (there are some that resist up to 220 Celcius) that it will scramble the magnetic domain reverting them to the iron property (meaning that the magnetic domain of the magnet is not in a straight line anymore (Thus allowing the passage of the south pole to the north pole) or has bumps along the course witch makes it less strong). so if the magnet seems half depleted well it's just the magnetic domain that are let's say "melted" just to understand it's not like a half batterie that loose power in other word ...i used to think that, lol. I though it was a charge of electricity that creates the magnets ...anyway all this to say if you don't ever heat it again it will last like that for a few life time.

Quote
Or if you are pulsing them in a very very high current magnetic field, that could hurt them also.
Mags
That, I do not know but it seems quite logical.


Quote
sir i have a suspect that it uses the arrangement in HALLBACH array, JUST CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG
I'm not sure what to say about this ...yes the hallbach array effect. Up to know it's just an experiment and no one has done anything usefull with it (that I have seen of course). Well in anycase if you wish to discuss live about some of this or if you have questions or just something new for me to learn then you could always check your private message i'll send you my MSN Id ok.

Sincerly,

megaverse
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on December 30, 2009, 09:24:29 AM
Well one is glad to be of service !

Frankly tito i'm not going to comment every video you sent. There is just too much and about each can be debated both ways (either a fake or not or even don't have any pratical uses).
 

It's not exactly what i said or maybe I didn't make myself clear. it's each time you heat it above 80 degree celcius (there are some that resist up to 220 Celcius) that it will scramble the magnetic domain reverting them to the iron property (meaning that the magnetic domain of the magnet is not in a straight line anymore (Thus allowing the passage of the south pole to the north pole) or has bumps along the course witch makes it less strong). so if the magnet seems half depleted well it's just the magnetic domain that are let's say "melted" just to understand it's not like a half batterie that loose power in other word ...i used to think that, lol. I though it was a charge of electricity that creates the magnets ...anyway all this to say if you don't ever heat it again it will last like that for a few life time.
That, I do not know but it seems quite logical.

I'm not sure what to say about this ...yes the hallbach array effect. Up to know it's just an experiment and no one has done anything usefull with it (that I have seen of course). Well in anycase if you wish to discuss live about some of this or if you have questions or just something new for me to learn then you could always check your private message i'll send you my MSN Id ok.

Sincerly,

megaverse
;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

@ MAG and MEG  a difference of "a" and "e" sounds magnet and megnet  ;D  ;D  ;D joke

I FEEL HIGHLIGHTED TO BOTH OF YOU SIR

THANK YOU VERY MUCH  ;D
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: Magluvin on December 30, 2009, 11:23:11 AM
Hey Tito
How about a small cooling fan and even an aluminum heat sink to keep them cool. Small fans in a pc such as the ones that cool smaller chips independently on the motherboard use very little power and do keep things from getting too hot.

Mags
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on December 31, 2009, 05:10:22 AM
Hey Tito
How about a small cooling fan and even an aluminum heat sink to keep them cool. Small fans in a pc such as the ones that cool smaller chips independently on the motherboard use very little power and do keep things from getting too hot.

Mags

Yes, actually i made a small radiator like style to absorb heat and it works!  ;)
i made use of a fountain motor and a couple of small hose, combined with the pc fan.
something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PwplxoJSDw
 
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: Magluvin on December 31, 2009, 06:18:10 AM
Tito
 Very cool.  getit, cool?  =]

Glad it worked out for you.

Mags
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: Megaverse on December 31, 2009, 06:47:19 AM
I'm starting to wonder what the hell you are making tito ? why does your magnets heat up ??? Are you building an air climatizer like the last vid you showed us ? And why waste your time with cooling systems ...when you just have to buy a manget that resist like 180 degree for example (it's the same as the 80 degree example at 79 it does not damage the magnet but still it looses it's strenght temporarely) so at 179 it doesn't damage the magnet ...here's a few example:

Neo magnets resist from N35 at 80 Degree celcius to N38EH at 180 degree celcius  ... If you need more than that then there is the Samarium-Cobalt rare Earth Magnets that are far more costy $$$ but resist up to 250 Celcius. Other more cheap magnets that are still at 250 celcius is the ferrite magnets: resist up to 250/280 degree celcius.

And the strongest of all (for the temperature factor) is the AlNiCo magnets ranging from 760-850 celcius ...at that temp there are a few metals all ready in liquid form, lol.

So now i'm curious to see or hear about what your trying to make tito ? ...who knows maybe I can help. I just don't know for now.


Ahh and just a random info like that apparently they don't make N32 magnets anymore because they are unstable. They don't give a result that they expect or want... I don't know really why but they stop making them (if you can still buy some i'm guessing that they have tons of that shit in store lol. like www.calamit.com who have 400 tons of magnets all ready done waiting to be sold ... ouch huh.

see ya,

Megaverse


Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: Magluvin on December 31, 2009, 07:08:18 AM
Meg
Maybe Tito needs a special shape or strength of magnet for his particular situation, in which if it is degrading from heat, he needed to simply solve the heating problem.
As far as neos, there are a variety of strengths to N52. I had purchased some N52s that were weird themselves. They were 3/4 x 1/2 disks, but they were not a balanced field, being that they had a strong side to them about their diameter. This was bad for my project. I tried to orient them to achieve a balance, but they ended up a huge problem for me. But I suppose that many magnets have their differences, even from the same batch. This could be a big problem for many who delve into permanent magnet motor builds. I see that Steorn uses slide adjustments on their rotor, probably due to the same problems. In order to get better balance, many would have to be purchased then measured and matched to get better results. The whipmag was plagued with these problems also where Axle took a tremendous amount of time trying to heat and cool some to get matched sets. I'm not sure he has finished yet and it has been a while.


Mags
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on January 01, 2010, 01:50:13 AM
I'm starting to wonder what the hell you are making tito ? why does your magnets heat up ??? Are you building an air climatizer like the last vid you showed us ? And why waste your time with cooling systems ...when you just have to buy a manget that resist like 180 degree for example (it's the same as the 80 degree example at 79 it does not damage the magnet but still it looses it's strenght temporarely) so at 179 it doesn't damage the magnet ...here's a few example:

Neo magnets resist from N35 at 80 Degree celcius to N38EH at 180 degree celcius  ... If you need more than that then there is the Samarium-Cobalt rare Earth Magnets that are far more costy $$$ but resist up to 250 Celcius. Other more cheap magnets that are still at 250 celcius is the ferrite magnets: resist up to 250/280 degree celcius.

And the strongest of all (for the temperature factor) is the AlNiCo magnets ranging from 760-850 celcius ...at that temp there are a few metals all ready in liquid form, lol.

So now i'm curious to see or hear about what your trying to make tito ? ...who knows maybe I can help. I just don't know for now.


Ahh and just a random info like that apparently they don't make N32 magnets anymore because they are unstable. They don't give a result that they expect or want... I don't know really why but they stop making them (if you can still buy some i'm guessing that they have tons of that shit in store lol. like www.calamit.com who have 400 tons of magnets all ready done waiting to be sold ... ouch huh.

see ya,

Megaverse

hi meg good day  ;D

i'm making it as a core, nothing but just a wild experiment, trying to power up a bike of my son for free.  ;D

Trying and finding some result what would happen if i heated the magnet, trying to see if it will loose some electrons it is holding and i'm trying to capture those that are loosing, still i'm in the middle of this experiment. quite funny isn't it?  ;D

actually i'm using some of them in my spark gap.  ;)
Anyway thanks for the nice info sir  ;)
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on January 01, 2010, 02:43:21 AM
I wonder if a magnetic viewing card can be inserted as a lens on a PC cam.
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: Magluvin on January 01, 2010, 03:21:35 AM
Onthecut
I dont think so. I have played with the viewing cards quite a bit. The card really needs close proximity to the mags to get a detailed view. Maybe if it were in macro but the mags or even moving mags may be harmful to the camera.
The cards are very helpful in determining the center of the field poles especially on round or diametrics.
I did do a cool vid on YT that shows interaction of an antigearwise  stator on a whipmag rotor and there was a very focused field between them that oscillated back and forth. Neat stuff.

Magluvin
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: Megaverse on January 01, 2010, 10:53:52 PM
well @mag it's the first time i hear about that kind of problem but i think i know the why and how. when the powder is compressed and cooked in a big block (were talking almost a 2 foot block or very thick plate.) they aligns the magnetic domains in a certain desirable direction (imagine it like wood fibers that goes in one direction) and then they shop this big block or plate in pieces and they have sadly a +/- 2 degree error possible so what I think that has happened for that batch is that it has been calculated wrong in the frst place and they have been shopped down all with the same error. (well it's supposed to be rare ...).

And @Tito they are at least 2 forces in magnets there are the famous electrons and the infamous forcefield that it's another forces witch at that point i still don't know exactly what it is but anyway it's been prooven out of a doubt by many scientist that you can't get electrons from magnets but as soon as the magnet is moving then he capture the ones around them ...but it still needs to move even if it's small vibration then what i think is happening is when it moves it capture electrons in it's forces flow (like a river) and when they come in contact with a surface that can attract them more than the moving field THEN they go in the copper (for example) it could be other materials but copper is one of the best and the cheapest. ...that's what i think it doesn't mean it's true but still it kind of make sense so in bref the magnets when moved around they collect a certain number of electrons that the empty space is really full of and that's why they are some but it's not collectable other than the way standard electrical motors function now a day ?

Well if anyone has argument or complementary comments please add them ..thanks you

Megaverse

Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: Megaverse on January 08, 2010, 06:49:45 PM
just wanted to ad this http://www.supermagnetman.net/index.php?cPath=54 (http://www.supermagnetman.net/index.php?cPath=54)

The guy explain the temperatures, coating, size, ect... far better than me lol. just click on the green arrows. (So if you still have question I think he's a good source).

i'm on his site actually right now to ask him for a custom magnet ...usually if you demand magnets that are magnetized any other way than normal it will cost you like 3000-4000$ because the damn morons can't program their machine to cut like only a few in another position (or even worst depending on the situation they could simply use the same program and just turn the damn block) but no...it's far better to ask outrageous prices so the littles can't get anything out of the ordianary and risk to find something special huh ?

Sorry i tend to go crazy with conspiracies hehehe. anyway there's a good possibility that this guy "george" can do it so note the place if it's the case ...ok bye
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: Megaverse on January 15, 2010, 07:32:34 PM
Did i say something wrong/stupid ?? everybody stop putting comments all of a sudden ..?

Anyway ... I'll continues this tread like it was originally intended and it's about shielding. I have finally found a guy who sells damn magnets magnetized through the side instead of the usual thickness (for a rectangular of 2 inches long, 1 inch large and 1/4 thick it's through the 1 inch large or wide if you prefer) I buyed 4 of those to test the shielding method. just to see what can be done.
it's super magnet man... I gave the link in the previous post so check there it's in the ...err, not supply ..ahh damn I'll have to check again ...ahh OK it's in the discount section: I got this "BNDL345" ...hope I'll be able to do anything with this. IF i ever do anything that that make freakin sense THEN I'll make a video and post it ...

Just to say for those who don't know. Usually the whatever company ask that we buy the whole big block around 2 foots. It's around 3000-4000$ when you want something out of the ordinary because they get stuck with the rest of the batch. So having those magnets at 4.25$/each is not a real barging ...well not to me anyway but it's still rare to find a guy who accepts to make some or find them or whatever.


Good luck in all your projects,

Megaverse
Title: Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
Post by: superhero on July 05, 2014, 02:40:59 AM
@ meg

no sir i just want to hear some explanation from you cause i'm really learning many things from you.

now i believed that you are correct sir because one of my magnet's strength was lessened because of heat, i think even a year cannot last  ;D

sir i have a suspect that it uses the arrangement in HALLBACH array, JUST CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG

this one also sir
Omg please check this video.  The best magnetic shielding is spin.  This video shows 55lbs magnet losing its attraction for e to a steel disk due to spin. Enjoy
Also Watch "The best magnetic shielding is spin" on YouTube
The best magnetic shielding is spin:http://youtu.be/8C6uyQ0bct4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf1IesrHBh0
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=333661567309752927#docid=7767509513976414065

is that guy demonstrating is JAMES ROONEY?

HERE IS THE HALBACH ARRAY AND SOME SIMILAR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAGu9ja3FQk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv-9IAj_YnI&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVbMsFv7Gp4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwBywqgBNVc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md4gikM9Ezs&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFN7cOOfq8M&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Y-AFQqZVBw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bn2cMEL71g0&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_mWA-s7vGg&feature=related

I JUST WANT TO INCLUDE THIS ONE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNW70RGjy1g
  Hi all Omg please check this video.  The best magnetic shielding is spin.  This video shows 55lbs magnet losing its attraction for e to a steel disk due to spin. Enjoy
Also Watch "The best magnetic shielding is spin" on YouTube
The best magnetic shielding is spin:http://youtu.be/8C6uyQ0bct4