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Author Topic: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail  (Read 135890 times)

Offline Megaverse

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Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
« Reply #45 on: December 03, 2008, 07:19:26 PM »
No no ...I just didn't explain everything ...james didn't know which material he'd use and look it up in the home depot website where he buyed it and there it's writen "a thin sheet plate" (THIN, slim , as not thick) and not tin so i'm well aware that he didn't use pure tin I only use pure tin to proove it has nothing to do with it and that it's just the iron that did his job of diverting the flux and that's all...thus filling the magnetic domain and redering this whole discovery completly useless. or at least not his.

And if i'm being so harsh on him it's because of my earlier conversation with him (not here) and he's the kind of asshole who brag all the time. Just naming this the holy grail without even verifying anything in the first place tells of his arrogance and he made me search for a full month just to discover that he can't read correctly now that's a bitch don't you think, lol.

But I understand that it's not constructive and that the damn oil compagy are still dominating and we need to calm them down ...(like go make some plastics with your oil and shut the hell up hehehe).

So that's about it.

I'm sorry it wasn't up to your expectations but I still wish you luck if your trying anything !

Megaverse

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Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
« Reply #45 on: December 03, 2008, 07:19:26 PM »

Offline CrazyEwok

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Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
« Reply #46 on: December 04, 2008, 02:32:59 AM »
Ok so let me get this right... The shielding doesn't really work? it was more the fact that non magnetic spacer held on by something that is magnetic forces you to make distace between magnetic sources... thus decreacing the strength through distance rather than shielding?
ok well back to my angled field rotor

Offline What_The_Flux

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Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
« Reply #47 on: December 04, 2008, 04:13:14 AM »
Sorry to have to tell you this, but your contraption won't work.
Your main problem is that you lack basic knowledge of magnetic flux lines and don't see the whole picture.

The fixed magnets being shielded by the "high permeability material" isn't really shielded at all. It's pure attraction.
And the rotor magnets will be strongly attracted to the shield and it will lock them hard into this position and prohibit any "free" motion.
The attraction towards the "shield" will create a strong backpull if you force the rotor magnets past the shield. Thus no "free energy"

There is simply no such thing as a magnetic shield that isn't attracted to the magnet itself and this kill any "free movement."
This type of magnet motor shielding have been tried countless of times throughout history.
But the inventers didn't know that shielding doesn't remove the flux lines, it just reroutes them.

Ok so let me get this right... The shielding doesn't really work? it was more the fact that non magnetic spacer held on by something that is magnetic forces you to make distace between magnetic sources... thus decreacing the strength through distance rather than shielding?
ok well back to my angled field rotor


I have to agree with Ergo... and I am very hesitant to be a nay-sayer, but if the shoe fits....

My earliest OU experiments were with shielded magnets, in an attempt to verify the underlying concepts of the Perendev motor.
Cutting neo magnets is no bargain, but I did what I could.

My conclusions are that shielding can be a valuable tool in electro-magnetics, but I see no way it can provide overunity. That would imply tapping energy from the aether, and I see no mechanism for that to happen. Just having mag fields bounce off each other isn't enough.

I built a couple angled cylinder magnets with angled shields a la Perendev, and put one on a stator and one on a rotor. No question that the shields alter the magnetic field, but they only shift the flux lines. And yes they are shifted asymmetrically, but they only move the "sticky point" further down the line. My contention is if you integrate the force along the x axis, you still end up with a net zero. This is consistent with the results I got. The rotor seems to go easier past in one direction, but then you have a nasty tug when the magnets get by each other.

Further I'll say that if you take two magnets, shielded however you would like, and model the magnetic fields around both (don't care if you prefer flux lines or a spin model), then pass them by each other in any dimension. Integrate the forces over the x-axis. I don't see how you can come out with anything other than a net zero force.

I was initially given a lot of hope by a graph somewhere that showed how the shielding made the force curve asymmetric, but I later realized the graph wasn't an accurate representation based on testing. It looked like if you integrated the force you would have a net positive in one direction. Since then I have been searching for data anywhere that shows that shielding yields a net force in one direction. I haven't found it yet, but I'm open to listen to anyone who says they have empirically or experimentally found the "holy grail".

I was extremely excited when I started studying the Perendev, but it's been years since we've heard a peep out of them, and I have to conclude that they have either been fooling themselves or fooling us.

Hope I didn't offend anyone.
Please prove me wrong! I'm here for the same reasons as you!

WTF

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Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
« Reply #47 on: December 04, 2008, 04:13:14 AM »
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Offline Megaverse

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Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
« Reply #48 on: December 04, 2008, 07:27:44 AM »
I don't think you could possibly ofend people more than i all ready did ...sorry for that by the way to everyone ...exept james of course ...dirty little ...ahem... Well I agree too with ergo, And you too WTF
I still hope though that we all overlooked something and someone will finally found something and not sell it to thoses assholes of general electric... Well for one, neo magnets are just too freakin strong as you can see in my early post where i posted a youtube video about this shit NOT being a holy grail maybe we should concentrate on ceramic magnets witch are less humongously strong (and better shieldable) that's just a basic idea and instead of breaking our minds trying to shield everything why not use pot magnets ? they are all ready in case pots ? you can ask for about any forms you wish AND even if you would only get 2 damn volts out of anything you make for free even if it's not a rotor/stator with damn magnets why not use this little force to then move electromagnets to get real strenght in a movement ?

I know i exagerate using only 2 volts to power these magnets but surely it doesn't take that much to just get a little peak to push (not forced to be a big full push that use 120 volts+, just small energy cost efficient push to slowly raise the strenght of the spin then adding as the strenght build up ?) isn't this an idea ?

Anyway I'm sure everybody else think about that before me i just want to remind or actually just speaking about it could make some else spark all of a sudden, lol

My experiments are on the same shit as everyone else except for a thing or 2 My rotor is a uniform magnet on the north side and my stator is well it's hard to explain remember the movement on the wheels of the front of steam trains ? the shaft/pump that forces the other wheel to turn ? well my stator is full of this in an oblique postion let's say about 35 degrees clockwise and there's a kinda shark tooth at the end of each of those shafts that points towards the rotor witch when they are in the down position they work like regular explosion car engines (they are forced down with another mechanism and when release they go up forcefully) the problem is of course the mechanism to crank the "thooth" down toward the repulsion force as usual so i'm stuck like you all ...I had a couple of ideas like separate those "thooths" into several groups so when some are released it would forced another wheel to turn and with the mass of this wheel that we would need to turn manually for now (to start) it would built up strenght to crank this thooths down and of course they are blocked from going back up until they are released and i could also hmm I don't know any words for this ....decentralized the force by adding some gears (so it needs less strenght to lower theses "thooths") in the end it would look like a grand father clock in some museum or something like that hahaha...


Anyway tell me what you think ? or if there is some major problem with this ...honestly i just came up with this wierd idea when i started this message so i decided to tell you guys ...i hope it doesn't look too foolish ...see ya

Megaverse
(Martin)

huh i just though of another shit process witch is probably dumb but ...anyway how about ..humm a big rotor ok that function with electromagnets ok for the pushing then in a triangular positioning there are 3 others rotors positionned on the first big rotor and are rigged in such a way the when you slighly turn the big rotor the smaller ones make at least one full turn ? i know it's possible to do that with gears i would have to study this to make a design so in bref a small but powerfull movement to make smaller gears/rotor move in (theorie of course) could the necessity of the big rotor be overwhelmed by the three littles ones (there could be more than 3) ahh well just having a vivid imagination tonigh and didn't want to waste it and forgeting it tomorow as usual lol so long guys.

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Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
« Reply #49 on: December 28, 2008, 02:22:56 AM »

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Offline What_The_Flux

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Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
« Reply #50 on: December 28, 2008, 02:49:06 AM »
You are all so smart.  What is this?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3940623695814013717

That, to me, seems to be a magnet getting stopped with the exact same amount of force by which it is getting propelled. If anything, I think it illustrates my case.

The REAL question is 'what is THIS?':
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFGiWiXMHn0

...and why don't we have any verifiable evidence of its operation for the last three or four years.
This was the video that got me all excited about the concept. It was supposed to be demonstrated at a conference, but that got cancelled due to technical problems, and not a word about it for years. Now I find the video very suspect.

All I'm saying is 'show me some experimental data that supports the concept of this machine'!

Offline sm0ky2

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Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
« Reply #51 on: December 28, 2008, 03:52:19 AM »
To those of you whom posted YouTube videos in the first few pages, whos YouTube accounts have been TOSsed (for unknown reasons):::::


Could you please attach the video files here in this thread AND/OR make a new YouTube account, so these videos may be viewed??

Thank you.

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Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
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Offline jimhitt

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Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
« Reply #52 on: December 28, 2008, 07:29:18 AM »
Quote
That, to me, seems to be a magnet getting stopped with the exact same amount of force by which it is getting propelled. If anything, I think it illustrates my case.


Suppose you extend the device in the video I posted.  It will continue to move forward.  Perhaps if you put it in a circle you get a Perendev device.  And since it is really that simple if you had even a bit of imagination WTF you'd make one too.  I'm guessing that is why they are so reticent to provide verification.  It's so damn simple only the fools claiming that it's impossible keep it from being discovered by everyone else. 

Look at the links under more info on this youtube video.  If you watch the first animation with the idea of the stator magnets having poles on the sides instead of the ends, it should get clearer for you. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txYnzn1tGnA
« Last Edit: December 28, 2008, 09:00:26 AM by jimhitt »

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Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
« Reply #53 on: December 28, 2008, 08:19:56 PM »


 And since it is really that simple if you had even a bit of imagination WTF you'd make one too.  I'm guessing that is why they are so reticent to provide verification.  It's so damn simple only the fools claiming that it's impossible keep it from being discovered by everyone else. 


Now you're just being rude. I'm sorry I bothered trying to discuss this with you.

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Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
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Offline jimhitt

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Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
« Reply #54 on: December 28, 2008, 09:42:19 PM »
Now you're just being rude. I'm sorry I bothered trying to discuss this with you.

I don't intend to be rude, just to shake up all the certainty I see here that is based on conventional wisdom.  Please see my post on the "How does the Perendev's motor work thread" that details the configuration I used for a straight line Parendev type rail.  I have been a bit huffy, sorry

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Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
« Reply #55 on: December 29, 2008, 04:33:47 AM »


Suppose you extend the device in the video I posted.  It will continue to move forward.  Perhaps if you put it in a circle you get a Perendev device. 

Extending the array will work to a given limitation proportional to the Gauss of each of the gates vs the gauss of the "shuttle". Eventually it will reach the maximum distance, and to go any further you will have to build it with stronger magnets.

Enclosing the array in a circle, will simply kill the entire effect.  If the array was constructed 'imperfectly' you may get SOME movement between 2 points, but it will not traverse the entire circle even ONCE, much less multiple times or continously.

This is no different from the effects shown to us by the late (and great) Howard Johnson as far back as 1938.   

He went on to create a rotational motor - but he DID use special shielding to accomplish that task.

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Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
« Reply #56 on: December 29, 2008, 07:32:55 PM »
@What_The_Flux
The rotation energy comes from the 2 clamps (move) close to the rotor. The clamps from open to close applied energy when moving the clamps. Because the rotor has ball bearing, so that keep on rotating for a moment until the movie finished. If the clamps were closed and rotor has been fixed at first,  then release the fixed rotor. It will not rotate at all. Can you see the magic?

Offline jimhitt

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Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
« Reply #57 on: December 29, 2008, 11:10:33 PM »
Extending the array will work to a given limitation proportional to the Gauss of each of the gates vs the gauss of the "shuttle". Eventually it will reach the maximum distance, and to go any further you will have to build it with stronger magnets.
I don't think so for a three row system.  I sense it will continue to move forward indefinately.  See my diagram in the "How does the Perendev work" thread.  It is different than a SMOT.  Just my opinion.

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Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
« Reply #58 on: December 30, 2008, 03:25:16 AM »
See the video again notice the bearing, the axis speed reduced before the clamps open. The open operation again energized the rotor. So the (open or close) operation same as push it manually. It will stop after a while if the clamps does not move.

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Re: One Way Magnetic Shielding - The Holy Grail
« Reply #59 on: December 30, 2008, 03:56:49 AM »
See the video again notice the bearing, the axis speed reduced before the clamps open. The open operation again energized the rotor. So the (open or close) operation same as push it manually. It will stop after a while if the clamps does not move.

I agree the first video is a smot it will stop.  The second will not in my opinion if magnets are poroperly configured.

 

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