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Author Topic: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor  (Read 63064 times)

Offline willitwork

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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #90 on: July 18, 2008, 01:18:03 PM »
nice twist
 ::)

still waiting on that charge monitoring circuit diagram...
still waiting on the motor specs...
still waiting on the battery count and weight...
still waiting on the roller specs...

The testing method proposed in my earlier post will work perfectly:

Assume we are using 12 volt batteries, assume the batteries are the same type and age, assume the batteries are near the same temperature each time you do the test.
 
Fully charge both batteries and wire them in parallel.
Clip a 10 - 15 watt bulb across the pair and measure the voltage.
You will need two identical lamps, we will use the second one later.
Note how long the bulb will stay lit before the voltage drops to 10 volts.
Repeat the action 3 or 4 times and average your results.
Do the same with one cell at a time.
 
Be patient, we are talking about several charge and discharge cycles, it will be worth it.
 
Document discharge times for each cell with the same bulb.
 
Depending on the load curve, internal battery heat, cell fatigue and comparative cell quality, the discharge time of one cell should be about half that of two strapped together.
 
For this example, lets assume that the two strapped together batteries give two hours of light before they drop to 10 volts and each cell on its own gives one hour of light before it drops to 10 volts.
 

Recharge both batteries.
 
Connect to Bedini motor
Connect one lightbulb to each battery.
Start your Bedini motor.
You can start the Bedini motor first if you want.
 

If the system is operating over unity the total 'on time' before 10 volts should be greater while the Bedini motor is running than otherwise. In other words the two lights should stay on together for more than one hour.
 
My Prediction:
 
The Bedini draws current and each lamp draws current resulting in less light time than if you just charged the batteries and put a light on each one. The 'charging battery' will run down first as it has to power the light bulb and the Bedini.

In other words: no OU, no gain from an internal lead acid resonance just an innefficent pulse charger. Easy test, easy to demonstrate.

Another possible test - almost no cost.

Load the source battery with a resistive load, run it down and swap it with the target battery. Don't load the target battery in the event that the load upsets the tank circuit. (Just in case the lead acid battery resonance is not fiction)

General Question:

Can you point to any Bedini test that actually loads any of the batteries with any sort of substantial load?

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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #90 on: July 18, 2008, 01:18:03 PM »

Offline WilbyInebriated

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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #91 on: July 18, 2008, 11:53:23 PM »
none of what you said addresses what i said...  ::)
do you have utilitarians charge monitoring circuit? or the motor specs? or the battery count and weight or the roller specs? my comments were not directed towards "your" method. see below for those...
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Easy test, easy to demonstrate.
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well, get on it then. why are you talking about it if it's so easy? do it.
acta non verba

and who cares about a substantial load anyways, according to you a small light bulb is sufficient to "bust" it or not, what difference would a "substantial load" make? i am interested to hear your "prediction" on this.

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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #92 on: July 19, 2008, 12:00:45 AM »
I'm not the guy saying that power gain can be had with a Bedini. I flat out don't believe it. My tests with Bedini style pulse motors were more than enough to convince me. Motor ran fine - measured and watched - measured more and watched - tuned and retuned. Desperately wanting to believe.

I am proposing the simplest form of test that would put the discussion to rest with ease.

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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #92 on: July 19, 2008, 12:00:45 AM »
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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #93 on: July 19, 2008, 12:02:14 AM »
I'm not the guy saying that power gain can be had with a Bedini. I flat out don't believe it. My tests with Bedini style pulse motors were more than enough to convince me. Motor ran fine - measured and watched - measured more and watched - tuned and retuned. Desperately wanting to believe.

I am proposing the simplest form of test that would put the discussion to rest with ease.

neither is feynman... so why are you talking heads filling up his thread with your crap?
then test it with YOUR bedini...
and who cares about a substantial load anyways, according to you a small light bulb is sufficient to "bust" it or not, what difference would a "substantial load" make? i am interested to hear your "prediction" on this.

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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #94 on: July 19, 2008, 01:11:14 AM »
Look at the Bedini circuit diagram. The output circuit is inductively isolated from the input circuit. The circuit possesses all of the characteristics of a simple RCL oscillator. The battery itself has resistance capacitance and inductance properties. A gel cel is a lead acid battery and for some reason the lead acid chemistry lends itself to resonance connections in a practical relatively low frequency range. That other battery chemistries don't work illustrates the quirky nature of the physics involved. There would be a whole set of different resonances for different materials, many of which would not fall into practically achievable ranges. This is the nature of spin resonance connection. For lead acid the resonant connection occurs with a specific set of harmonics somewhere in the 3.5 mHz range. The motor or exciter side of the circuit generates multiple wave forms and the resonant connection is an intermodulation harmonic response. If you built a successful replication, and there have been many, based on a particular size and type of lead acid battery, substituting a different size or type would require retuning the exciter circuit to find resonance again. There is no one magic set point, for any individual device a successful tuning is going to be specific to the physical geometry and electrical characteristics that particular device.

Magnerazz, i really appreciated your writings to this thread. i think it opened up quite a bit. thank you also for the PDF-link, i've tried to send it to a few people to see what they think, and hopefully this'll result in something. i take it you've seen  energy from the vacuum part 2?
i really hope you'll continue posting these tidbits of info and your own musings on the bedini technology, as, well, nobody else will!

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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #94 on: July 19, 2008, 01:11:14 AM »
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Offline willitwork

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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #95 on: July 19, 2008, 02:18:09 AM »
" "substantial load" make? i am interested to hear your "prediction" "

Substantial load is any load that would make the Bedini anything more than a device that pulse charges batteries. My prediction is that you can't demonstrate that the Bedini can recharge batteries which will drive a load. Pulse rejuvenation of batteries has been around for a long time. This is not energy from a vacuum.

The reason we have batteries is to drive loads.

It is not my intention to dissuade anyone from studying or experimenting. I just hate seeing people throw good money after bad with continual refinements of a device that they absolutely cannot demonstrate is doing anything like - pulling energy from a vacuum.


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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #96 on: July 19, 2008, 02:26:50 AM »
" "substantial load" make? i am interested to hear your "prediction" "

Substantial load is any load that would make the Bedini anything more than a device that pulse charges batteries. My prediction is that you can't demonstrate that the Bedini can recharge batteries which will drive a load. Pulse rejuvenation of batteries has been around for a long time. This is not energy from a vacuum.

The reason we have batteries is to drive loads.

It is not my intention to dissuade anyone from studying or experimenting. I just hate seeing people throw good money after bad with continual refinements of a device that they absolutely cannot demonstrate is doing anything like - pulling energy from a vacuum.


so a light bulb is not a load? how about a motor?
i just hate seeing people talk out their ass without replicating...
« Last Edit: July 19, 2008, 03:04:20 AM by WilbyInebriated »

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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #96 on: July 19, 2008, 02:26:50 AM »
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Offline willitwork

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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #97 on: July 19, 2008, 04:17:18 AM »
A light bulb is a load and so is a motor. In fact the Bedini 'motor' itself is a load. It always runs down, it always drains every battery in the circuit. - always

I quit my replication as soon as I saw it do just that.

I eagerly await your figures.

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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #98 on: July 19, 2008, 04:24:59 AM »
A light bulb is a load and so is a motor. In fact the Bedini 'motor' itself is a load. It always runs down, it always drains every battery in the circuit. - always

I quit my replication as soon as I saw it do just that.

I eagerly await your figures.

so you say "Substantial load is any load that would make the Bedini anything more than a device that pulse charges batteries" and then you say a light and a motor are loads.... which the bedini sg will run...
why are you contradicting yourself?

"it always drains EVERY battery in the circuit - ALWAYS"
are you claiming it doesn't charge a battery on the output? show us your circuit, i'm guessing its not an SG circuit...

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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #98 on: July 19, 2008, 04:24:59 AM »
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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #99 on: July 19, 2008, 05:00:14 AM »
The proof of  over unity with a SCR (spin resonance connection) tuned Bedini SG would be a battery or  number of batteries fully charged by the output circuit with a capacity in excess of the input circuit battery. If the output side batteries are not charged, then the circuit is not tuned to resonance.

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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #100 on: July 19, 2008, 05:10:04 AM »
I am sure It will charge the battery - (I used caps BTW). But it will only top up a nearly full battery. It won't charge it from empty. Something I saw and have read on several failed Bedini builders site. In fact the various Youtube's out there that I have seen so far all come to the same conclusion.

Here is my circuit in text form:

An analogue Hall effect device was used to drive an OP amp discriminator which fed a variable pulse width 555 driver for a 2N3055 transistor. Pulse timing, width and amplitude were fully adjustable. I recycled emf into the circuit in various ways. The best performing coil was quad (double bifilar) wound. Input current to the motor was measured and tuning resulted in a motor that would turn at 1200 RPM with about 20ma of drive current and 9 volts across the output driver.

I built the circuit so that the logic section was separately powered and the output voltage could be varied. I attempted some 20 various winding combinations and EMF salvaging and/or recycling approaches.

A one point much greater, although less stable speed and power was produced by turning the master coil into a tuned tank. It would have been in a slave tank circuit that the target battery, had I wasted the money to buy one, would have been inserted.

Most Bedini or pulse motor builders do not spend the time perfecting the resonance of the motor. I spent my time there, realising that if any gain were to be had resonance would have to be achieved first. Resonance was tricky to achieve and demonstrated a high loss (albeit sexy) electro mechanical oscillator.

A pulse type battery rejuvinator that it fully solid state could be built will far less fuss. It would set up a tank circuit that would include the battery and rejuvinate it. As the battery condition improved this type of circuit would change frequency along with the batteries change in inductance and capacitance.

It would, of course, like the Bedini not be OU or draw any power from the ether but simply be a pulse rejuvinator.


What have you built?

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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #100 on: July 19, 2008, 05:10:04 AM »
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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #101 on: July 19, 2008, 05:24:57 AM »
I am sure It will charge the battery - (I used caps BTW). But it will only top up a nearly full battery. It won't charge it from empty. Something I saw and have read on several failed Bedini builders site. In fact the various Youtube's out there that I have seen so far all come to the same conclusion.

Here is my circuit in text form:

An analogue Hall effect device was used to drive an OP amp discriminator which fed a variable pulse width 555 driver for a 2N3055 transistor. Pulse timing, width and amplitude were fully adjustable. I recycled emf into the circuit in various ways. The best performing coil was quad (double bifilar) wound. Input current to the motor was measured and tuning resulted in a motor that would turn at 1200 RPM with about 20ma of drive current and 9 volts across the output driver.

I built the circuit so that the logic section was separately powered and the output voltage could be varied. I attempted some 20 various winding combinations and EMF salvaging and/or recycling approaches.

A one point much greater, although less stable speed and power was produced by turning the master coil into a tuned tank. It would have been in a slave tank circuit that the target battery, had I wasted the money to buy one, would have been inserted.

Most Bedini or pulse motor builders do not spend the time perfecting the resonance of the motor. I spent my time there, realising that if any gain were to be had resonance would have to be achieved first. Resonance was tricky to achieve and demonstrated a high loss (albeit sexy) electro mechanical oscillator.

A pulse type battery rejuvinator that it fully solid state could be built will far less fuss. It would set up a tank circuit that would include the battery and rejuvinate it. As the battery condition improved this type of circuit would change frequency along with the batteries change in inductance and capacitance.

It would, of course, like the Bedini not be OU or draw any power from the ether but simply be a pulse rejuvinator.


What have you built?


so you didn't replicate the sg at all did you? you changed things all around and then labeled YOUR failure as bedini's... that's a neat trick  ::)

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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #102 on: July 19, 2008, 05:56:14 AM »
And what precisely was your build and testing methodology?
How does your system work?
What are your numbers?
How did you get your system into resonance?
Did you take the charged battery of your resonant Bedini and disconnect it, then flatten it, then recharge it?

I didn't need to because I know a pulse charge when I see one.




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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #103 on: July 19, 2008, 05:58:18 AM »
And what precisely was your build and testing methodology?
How does your system work?
What are your numbers?
How did you get your system into resonance?
Did you take the charged battery of your resonant Bedini and disconnect it, then flatten it, then recharge it?

I didn't need to because I know a pulse charge when I see one.







and i know a talking head when i see one...
as i said, change everything around, don't follow directions and then cry when it doesn't work...
YOUR FAILURE

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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #104 on: July 19, 2008, 06:02:55 AM »
So you have never built one.

hehe

 

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