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Author Topic: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor  (Read 60853 times)

Offline UncleFester

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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #30 on: June 04, 2008, 11:37:11 PM »
@PMM Dave,

Can you provide information on how they did it 50 years ago?

Groundloop.

They did it by putting sodium hydroxide in the emptied cells and letting it sit. Thereby creating lead plumbates which are of course highly toxic. Then those plumbates (powder when dry) had to be disposed of, so they would put them in concrete and that apparently locks up the plumbates in the conrete, hopefully rendering it harmless at that point.

GroundLoop, thanks for the charger, it is still working good, only 22 more Trojan T-105's to go! = )

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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #30 on: June 04, 2008, 11:37:11 PM »

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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #31 on: June 05, 2008, 12:25:50 AM »
"Maybe this is the proof to the claim you so vehemently protest?"
Maybe it is. I am not vehement, I just would like to see some test data. In other words, the current and voltage versus time plots before and after the use of the Bedini machine. If it works, there will be more total watt hours after than there were before, right?

A video of the machine running is not very useful, what we need is the test data. (It obviously runs).

Also, to the guy who said it was voltage pulses not current pulses. The current and voltage are related by the celebrated equation
V = IR
This is known as Ohm's law. I have mentioned it before, but people on the forum keep raising the issue of education in the field of electronics. Ohm's law should, IMHO, be a part of any such education. As I also mentioned before, I make no claims one way or the other about personally having such an education.

Dave

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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #32 on: June 05, 2008, 12:48:22 AM »
"Maybe this is the proof to the claim you so vehemently protest?"
Maybe it is. I am not vehement, I just would like to see some test data. In other words, the current and voltage versus time plots before and after the use of the Bedini machine. If it works, there will be more total watt hours after than there were before, right?

A video of the machine running is not very useful, what we need is the test data. (It obviously runs).

Also, to the guy who said it was voltage pulses not current pulses. The current and voltage are related by the celebrated equation
V = IR
This is known as Ohm's law. I have mentioned it before, but people on the forum keep raising the issue of education in the field of electronics. Ohm's law should, IMHO, be a part of any such education. As I also mentioned before, I make no claims one way or the other about personally having such an education.

Dave


@PMM Dave,

The guy did not say it was only voltage pulses. The guy said is was HIGH voltage pulses AND that there was a low current present below the C20 rate of the battery. Read the post again. The guy ALSO know Ohms law very well. :-) So the guy knows that a high voltage pulse will be converted to a high current pulse if discharged into a low resistance load. A lead acid battery is normally a low resistance load. But that is NOT the whole story. When a battery is heavy sulfated the internal resistance in the battery much higher. So if you o-scope across the battery terminals while running a desulfator on the battery, you will see ultra thin voltage spikes that should not be there because of the battery low resistance load.

Groundloop.
 

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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #32 on: June 05, 2008, 12:48:22 AM »
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Offline PMM Dave

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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #33 on: June 05, 2008, 02:25:08 AM »
The ultra-thin voltage spikes are caused by parasitic inductance in the connections to the plates. If you want to model a battery at high frequencies, then you need to include this. Approximately, the voltage is given by
V = L dI/dt
Figure about 1nH per inch of circuit for the inductance, including both the plates and the wires to the battery. It can be modelled pretty well using a program such as PSPICE. You would use a value of internal resistance that reflected the condition of the battery, of course. The heavier the sulfation, the larger the internal resistance.

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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #34 on: June 05, 2008, 04:12:33 AM »
The ultra-thin voltage spikes are caused by parasitic inductance in the connections to the plates. If you want to model a battery at high frequencies, then you need to include this. Approximately, the voltage is given by
V = L dI/dt
Figure about 1nH per inch of circuit for the inductance, including both the plates and the wires to the battery. It can be modelled pretty well using a program such as PSPICE. You would use a value of internal resistance that reflected the condition of the battery, of course. The heavier the sulfation, the larger the internal resistance.

not quite i think.

the spikes are caused by the reversed inductive kick mainly from the monopole magnet. they would be high voltage because of the relatively high internal battery resistance, and possibly as well from the sluggish/heavy charge carriers delaying the conduction current.

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« Reply #34 on: June 05, 2008, 04:12:33 AM »
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Offline PMM Dave

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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #35 on: June 05, 2008, 08:23:31 PM »
Yes, the voltage is provided by the inductive kick. But this voltage can only appear across the battery terminals because of parasitic inductance in the battery. If it were not for this, the internal resistance of the battery would mostly short it out. But because of the small amount of inductance present in the battery itself, a narrow voltage pulse appears across the battery terminals. This voltage does not affect the plates, it is just dropped across the parasitic inductance.

Parasitic inductance is well understood. A wire is designed to connect from point A to point B, but it is not perfect. It has some resistance, some capacitance to ground, and some inductance. These are called parasitics, and they can somtimes affect a circuit. Obviously, parasitics should be minimized where possible. When modelling a circuit using SPICE, the parasitics have to be included explicitly, otherwise it gives an incorrect answer.

Here is one way to measure it:-
http://www.hpl.hp.com/hpjournal/96apr/apr96a11.pdf

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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #36 on: June 08, 2008, 07:44:21 PM »
Hi all,

OK, can anyone see what is happening here? A "newbie" with extraordinary knowledge and tons of experience at building these devices, is yet again "stirring the pot" to keep everyone from doing useful experimentation??????

Well lads, this has been happening for DECADES in order to keep all of YOU off the workbench and in USELESS confrontation!!!!!!

Now PMM Dave, You spout some good technical theory, straight from the college textbooks.. Good thing that ol Dr. Tesla did not follow the advice from his college professor that a BRUSHLESS MOTOR could not be possible..... Otherwise the closed-mind idiots that lead the blind into the road to nowhere would be still complaining when we build stepper motors for our devices and pulse motors (PMM's) hahahhah.. Guess they don't exist either...... They claimed it as fact 150 years ago, so it's still fact, right???  Hahhaha

PMM get off your "Flat Earth", and open your eyes to the fact that "radiant energy" does NOT conform to your Ohms Law in all ways..... And if you think so, then explain why over 100 individuals have documented evidence of COOLING in certain coils when conditions are right, and simultaneously showing a DROP in current when running a load, at higher torque..........Chew on that one..

And the fact of the matter is, I have tested the Bedini devices for over 8 years, and just because some people cannot duplicate certain effects, does not mean that it is impossible!!!!!

The fact is, some people are nice people, but can't read or write.. Does that mean that we cannot as humans put words on paper???  These ignorant attitudes keep us buying oil....

Stop the jabber and put that great brain on the workbench and build something.. When will you people see what "they" are doing? PMM these batteries have been monitored by some of the most sophisticated computerized battery analyzers that are in existence today, and I can say several things here....

1. Just because YOU are not provided with the existing facts does not mean that they do not exist!
2. Just because YOU know how to postulate Ohms Law does not mean that it fits ALL situations!
3. Lastly, WHY does anyone have to show YOU proof of anything????

Bedini's devices are not properly measured by most people. Because 9/10's of the people who experiment in this field have no background of physics, or science beyond the schoolbooks. They just wake up one day and say, "Hey dude, let's save the world" FREE ENERGY......

Then there are the disrupter's. They want to convince everyone that none of this can exist. They still live in their pre-Copernicus mind. On their flat little Earth that is the center of THEIR universe.

Folks, there is more to all of this than we see. SOON, all of us will see the evidence and PROOF of what some of us are claiming.. Hahahah. Hope they enjoyed the "Black Reign" of the past century. I am willing to speculate that the oil companies have pushed their luck a bit too far. The ones with the technologies have been suppressed long enough, and soon enough they will band together and reject the strong-armed tactics.

Here are 2 scenarios to think about.

Either we will all continuing buying oil and paying prices so high that people cant travel to work, then the world is thrown into war deeper, people starving, can't buy food, and we keep sliding into the abyss.

OR, those legitimate researchers will keep ignoring the PMM's of the oil companies, and keep doing research to find answers that exist. Then those new technologies that don't quite conform to Ohms Law will help find a solution to this current situation.

Before I close this extended missive I shall say the following:

PMM, DON'T study about charge separation, voltage lag and lead in inductors and capacitors, or special characteristics of resonant circuits and remember; when you are sitting there like the 3 monkeys of see no evil, hear no evil and speak no evil; please keep killing your dipole.. But let the rest of us alone to watch it not be destroyed before our load is powered.....

I make the challenge to you..... PROVE that there are no laws of physics yet undiscovered. And remember, lack of evidence is not proof.......We have no reason to prove anything to you.. And also, just remember people, the more that you publicly reveal about these technologies, the greater targets you make yourselves for those spies that are "fishing" for information.....

Old, old intel trick.... Piss everyone off and make a challenge to "PROVE" your technology....Wonder why they always disappear when they reveal their discoveries????? Coz we publicly wanted recognition for our knowledge or design....

Loose Lips Sink Ships!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PMM, you need no proof from anyone.... It don't exist, remember???

That's why you are trolling for targets regarding Bedini Technology...Right???

Folks please don't be coerced into revealing your knowledge. You know what is documented.... THAT is all that matters......In the coming years, that veil of secrecy will save many from persecution. WE know the truth... Do YOU???

Until next month,
JJ   

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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #37 on: June 09, 2008, 12:17:57 AM »
@judo_jack63,

Great post. Yes I agree that not "everything" is discovered yet. One thing is for sure, the Bedini method of charging
lead acid batteries is much, much better than the "brute force" current chargers. It takes a little longer to charge
the battery, yes, but less energy is needed to charge since less energy is wasted as heat. Also, there is 100% fact
that high voltage pulse charging will desulfate batteries. So you get two for one, desulftaing and charging at a lowered
energy input.

Groundloop.

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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #38 on: June 09, 2008, 02:52:54 AM »
hey Feynman - all the best with the Bedini replication - looking forward to hearing what you discover about its operation


PS ...anyone know if ' PMM Dave' is somehow related to OUman (& now OUmon) of the Thane Heins thread?
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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #39 on: June 09, 2008, 05:37:30 AM »
Two simple questions.

1. Does Mr Bedini claim that his device will allow a battery to store more energy than was put in?

    Yes or No.

2. If the answer to (1) is Yes then
    Has Mr Bedini claimed the Overunity prize?

    Yes or No. If not, why not?

ERS

Offline WilbyInebriated

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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #40 on: June 09, 2008, 06:39:26 AM »
you can do your own research and see if you can find the answer to your first question.
as far as your second question, it would depend on the answer to the first. regardless of the answer to the first question, i think you would have to direct your second question to john personally, anyone else's answer would simply be a guess.

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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #41 on: June 09, 2008, 07:18:24 AM »
@Evil Roy Slade,

You are not asking the right questions. :-)

1. Do you think we should continue the same heading we are on now, burning oil and messing up the planet?
2. Do you think nuclear waste is good for a closed system like earth?
3. Man invent thousands of non-natural chemicals every year and are releasing them into the world.
    Do you think this is a smart thing to do?

How cares if Bedini has made free energy or not. The point is that he actually tried. A lot of people around the world has been
inspired to do the same. There is no research on free energy (that I know of) in science labs around the world. There never will be. It is YOU that must do the research (along with thousands of other people) and try to find an answer to solve the energy problem. It is you that must find a loophole in the Thermo laws or Lentz's law (if possible). It is you that must discover the new laws of nature so that free energy can be possible. You can't sit around at a keyboard all day and expect to find the answer on Youtube or overunity dot com. You must do your share of research yourself. And maybe, just maybe, you a lucky and discover something new to man that will solve some of the problems we are facing.

Groundloop.

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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #42 on: June 09, 2008, 02:46:07 PM »
@Evil Roy Slade,

You are not asking the right questions. :-)

1. Do you think we should continue the same heading we are on now, burning oil and messing up the planet?
2. Do you think nuclear waste is good for a closed system like earth?
3. Man invent thousands of non-natural chemicals every year and are releasing them into the world.
    Do you think this is a smart thing to do?

How cares if Bedini has made free energy or not. The point is that he actually tried. A lot of people around the world has been
inspired to do the same. There is no research on free energy (that I know of) in science labs around the world. There never will be. It is YOU that must do the research (along with thousands of other people) and try to find an answer to solve the energy problem. It is you that must find a loophole in the Thermo laws or Lentz's law (if possible). It is you that must discover the new laws of nature so that free energy can be possible. You can't sit around at a keyboard all day and expect to find the answer on Youtube or overunity dot com. You must do your share of research yourself. And maybe, just maybe, you a lucky and discover something new to man that will solve some of the problems we are facing.

Groundloop.
Firstly, I will decide what questions I wish to pose,

The answers to your questions are No, No and No.

I spend a significant amount of time and money trying to do my bit to alleviate the problems you outlined. Using mathematically and empirically proven science facts will yield far better results than hanging on the totally unproven words of Mr Bedini and others like him. Most of the people here have good hearts and are hard working. It annoys me to see them being misled so I am trying to stop it in my own little way.

What needs proving?  OU is proven.  The Bedini motor works.  Of course, once the way
that this "OU" is generated is fully understood, then it's not OU anymore. 

OU is NOT proven. Never has, anywhere. Please quote a source for such a remarkable statement.

The Bedini motor does NOT work as an OU device.

As for your last statement, understanding something doesn't make it suddenly disappear!

@WilbyInebriated
I would be most happy to debate Mr Bedini in this forum for all to see. I am quite sure we would all learn something.

ERS

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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #43 on: June 09, 2008, 02:56:24 PM »

OU is NOT proven. Never has, anywhere. Please quote a source for such a remarkable statement.

The Bedini motor does NOT work as an OU device.
Burn this heretic!  :P

If OU exists, then it will be proven, if not, then the proof will be wrong..
Only with proof the world will change, unless you enjoy getting a deep insight to the workings of the wheel an reinventing it.

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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #44 on: June 09, 2008, 03:14:10 PM »
the gang is getting agitated

relax men, ERS has some good points,
and all other points made so far have a perspective too

 

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