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Author Topic: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor  (Read 60960 times)

Offline willitwork

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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #120 on: July 19, 2008, 09:55:37 AM »
Pulse charger - Description

Charge a cap to 18 volts or so with a TOP222 a  coil and a diode. Charge it slowly, draw about 30ma. The TOP222 is a medium power IC that generates 100KHZ pulses. Use a GMOV or an SCR Circuit to discharge the cap back into the battery. A GMOV will require a additional diode but an SCR will not.

If this unit were powered by a second battery and the cap discharge were in tune with the mysterious resonance of the battery we are charging it would be a solid state version of the Bedini.

It will probably cost a bit more than 10 bucks to build with new stuff but all the bits can be had from an old switched mode PSU from just about anything electronic today.

PS, it would way out perform the Bedini as a pulse charger because there would be no wheel to spin. But the wheel serves as a distraction for builders who claim OU but never deliver any numbers.

It would also be like gimmick device experimenters played with in the 70's.

I think that is all you need from me, now let me just get a clear yes or no answer from you:

Have you used two identical batteries in a Bedini and discharged one completely beforehand and then used the Bedini to fully charge the previously flat battery?

If yes and you can verify it, you may be in line for the OU prize.





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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #120 on: July 19, 2008, 09:55:37 AM »

Offline WilbyInebriated

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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #121 on: July 19, 2008, 10:00:53 AM »
Pulse charger - Description

Charge a cap to 18 volts or so with a TOP222 a  coil and a diode. Charge it slowly, draw about 30ma. The TOP222 is a medium power IC that generates 100KHZ pulses. Use a GMOV or an SCR Circuit to discharge the cap back into the battery. A GMOV will require a additional diode but an SCR will not.

If this unit were powered by a second battery and the cap discharge were in tune with the mysterious resonance of the battery we are charging it would be a solid state version of the Bedini.

It will probably cost a bit more than 10 bucks to build with new stuff but all the bits can be had from an old switched mode PSU from just about anything electronic today.

PS, it would way out perform the Bedini as a pulse charger because there would be no wheel to spin. But the wheel serves as a distraction for builders who claim OU but never deliver any numbers.

It would also be like gimmick device experimenters played with in the 70's.

I think that is all you need from me, now let me just get a clear yes or no answer from you:

Have you used two identical batteries in a Bedini and discharged one completely beforehand and then used the Bedini to fully charge the previously flat battery?

If yes and you can verify it, you may be in line for the OU prize.


what no circuit diagram? no cap, diode or coil specs?  ::) i noticed you gave a pedantic description of the TOP222, how strange that you would neglect the other component specs. thanks though, as i have never heard of a datasheet  ::)
and where are the answers to my other questions?
not interested in the OU prize.

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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #122 on: July 19, 2008, 10:22:08 AM »
TOP222  family is well referenced. Certainly as an experienced builder you don't need a circuit diagram .. do you? I have no intention of building another pulse charger but could if asked to. As stated earlier by PMM and others, pulse chargers are more than often BAD for batteries in the long term.

I quickly scanned our correspondence and seem to have missed any questions not answered. You may need to ask me again.

You mentioned earlier that you got your SG into resonance. How did you confirm that? Can you direct me to any resource that gives inductance and capacitance values for given lead acid batteries?

Finally you did not answer this:

Have you used two identical batteries in a Bedini and discharged one completely beforehand and then used the Bedini to fully charge the previously flat battery?

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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #122 on: July 19, 2008, 10:22:08 AM »
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Offline WilbyInebriated

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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #123 on: July 19, 2008, 10:28:53 AM »
TOP222  family is well referenced. Certainly as an experienced builder you don't need a circuit diagram .. do you? I have no intention of building another pulse charger but could if asked to. As stated earlier by PMM and others, pulse chargers are more than often BAD for batteries in the long term.

I quickly scanned our correspondence and seem to have missed any questions not answered. You may need to ask me again.

You mentioned earlier that you got your SG into resonance. How did you confirm that? Can you direct me to any resource that gives inductance and capacitance values for given lead acid batteries?

Finally you did not answer this:

Have you used two identical batteries in a Bedini and discharged one completely beforehand and then used the Bedini to fully charge the previously flat battery?

of course it is well referenced, who said it wasn't? certainly as an experienced builder you don't expect me to use a 1n4007 where a 1n4742 should be? a coil? what kind of coil? what wire gauge and how many turns on what type of core?
funny how you say this will "way out perform" a bedini in one post and then in the next you say pulse chargers are bad. you do love to contradict yourself. ::)

here's the questions you didn't answer...AGAIN
like where is this $10 pulse charge circuit that is powered by the battery that it is charging? (i've included this again because your answer was incomplete)

and the "anectdotal account" according to the talking head PMM. you say it confirms your position and he says its inadmissible... how is that possible?

you say "Substantial load is any load that would make the Bedini anything more than a device that pulse charges batteries" and then you say a light and a motor are loads.... which the bedini sg will run... why are you contradicting yourself?

so you didn't replicate the sg at all did you?

the coil on the sg with the rotor sings, without the rotor turning and the battery charges. the solid state sg has no rotor.

as i said i'm not doing your tests for you. not interested in the OU prize. you can read whatever you wish from that.

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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #124 on: August 04, 2008, 02:46:09 PM »
The standard SG generates loss through the 10 ohm resistor, the 1K Pot, the lamp and the base to emitter junction. Have you considered any changes to minimize those losses? A 2n3055 has low gain which could be augmented by adding a silicon NPN in darlington configuration. The NEON is also wasteful. A higher voltage transistor or a switching fet would remove the need for the diode and increase efficiency as well.

since you wanted to continue your demonstration of your ignorance willit, so much so that you cross posted this discussion in another thread, here we are.

please explain to the rest of us EXACTLY how the neon is wasteful...

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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #124 on: August 04, 2008, 02:46:09 PM »
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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #125 on: September 18, 2008, 06:47:19 PM »
@Feynman,
do you reach overunity?

 

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