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Author Topic: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor  (Read 64134 times)

Offline WilbyInebriated

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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #105 on: July 19, 2008, 06:05:48 AM »
So you have never built one.

hehe

have you even read this thread?
try page one, where i spent time correcting PMM. another talking head who thinks any motor that uses a pulsed electromagnet is a "bedini type motor"  ::)
i followed the directions and didn't "make up" some circuit and call it "bedini type"  :o

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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #105 on: July 19, 2008, 06:05:48 AM »

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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #106 on: July 19, 2008, 06:23:33 AM »
And what precisely was your build and testing methodology?
How does your system work?
What are your numbers?
How did you get your system into resonance?
Did you take the charged battery of your resonant Bedini and disconnect it, then flatten it, then recharge it?

I didn't need to because I know a pulse charge when I see one.

ahhh lets see, i actually built one according to specs, unlike you, which makes my methodology superior.
works by magic  :o
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the usual way
yes

i needed to because thats science, nothing personal.

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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #107 on: July 19, 2008, 06:34:24 AM »
I have read the thread, I remember smirking at the guy PMM humiliated - now I realise who it was.

You state that you recovered a cell phone battery. Those are not lead acid. Magnerazz says that

 "That other battery chemistries don't work illustrates the quirky nature of the physics involved."

In other words Magnerazz says that only lead acid batteries work in this type of system. The link to his comment follows:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4515.msg113434.html#msg113434
(sorry I am not linking correctly)

Now Bedini did some work with other types but he referenced the negative resister effect in Lead Acid for the most part.

If you are recovering non lead acid batteries you are confirming my position perfectly.

Which of the Bedini circuits did you use?
Can you flatten the target battery and recharge it?
Reading a higher voltage on a battery under charge proves nothing.



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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #107 on: July 19, 2008, 06:34:24 AM »
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Offline WilbyInebriated

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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #108 on: July 19, 2008, 06:43:18 AM »
I have read the thread, I remember smirking at the guy PMM humiliated - now I realise who it was.

You state that you recovered a cell phone battery. Those are not lead acid. Magnerazz says that

 "That other battery chemistries don't work illustrates the quirky nature of the physics involved."

In other words Magnerazz says that only lead acid batteries work in this type of system. The link to his comment follows:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4515.msg113434.html#msg113434
(sorry I am not linking correctly)

Now Bedini did some work with other types but he referenced the negative resister effect in Lead Acid for the most part.

If you are recovering non lead acid batteries you are confirming my position perfectly.

Which of the Bedini circuits did you use?
Can you flatten the target battery and recharge it?
Reading a higher voltage on a battery under charge proves nothing.



i can charge all sorts of batteries, LAB's perform best
i have not confirmed your position at all... especially with an "anectdotal account" according to the talking head PMM. you say it confirms your position and he says its inadmissible... how is that possible?
yes i felt so humiliated by the guy who hasn't built one talking about being scientific... ::) hrmmm i'm getting that same "feeling" again.

the sg circuit
yes, and run a load off of it. most any battery type.
OBVIOUSLY

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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #109 on: July 19, 2008, 07:09:01 AM »
Ok, now we are getting somewhere. This is right back to my initial post.

Completely flatten the target - (charging) battery - (Battery-A)
Completely charge the source battery (Battery-B).

Start the Bedini.

Charge the target battery (Battery-A) up without touching the source battery  (Battery-B). Don't put any external charge in either battery ever.

If the Bedini is working as you suggest you have charged a battery  (Battery-A) with leading pulse, aetheric etc energy. Congratulations.

Now Put the charged battery (Battery-A) in the source position.
Flatten the battery that was the source battery  (Battery-B).
Charge it with the Bedini.

My original post did not call for the full discharge of the target battery (Battery-A) , if you wish the light bulb approach mentioned earlier will work.

To complete this you will need to demonstrate that you can keep at least one battery fully charged no matter how many times you swap them.

I am letting you off easy because most Bedini evangelists would seem to claim that they can keep both batteries fully charged.

If the Bedini is just a pulse charger you will not be able to fully charge the target battery and after you swap the two out, the system will run down to a miserable grinding halt.

PS, I worked with early Lead Acid batteries in two way systems in the seventies. Back then we used pulse systems to rejuvenate old lead acid and early dry rechargeables regularly.

NB A battery may come up to voltage but that does not mean it is fully charged or functioning to capacity. Earlier suggestions that a Bedini system actually destroy batteries may be completely correct. Pulse rejuvanation will occaisionally give a battery a new lease of life.

Another Prediction: Assuming both batteries are identical you will never be able to fully charge  (Battery-A) from  (Battery-B) in a Bedini circuit.

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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #109 on: July 19, 2008, 07:09:01 AM »
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Offline WilbyInebriated

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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #110 on: July 19, 2008, 07:13:38 AM »
Ok, now we are getting somewhere. This is right back to my initial post.

Completely flatten the target - (charging) battery - (Battery-A)
Completely charge the source battery (Battery-B).

Start the Bedini.

Charge the target battery (Battery-A) up without touching the source battery  (Battery-B). Don't put any external charge in either battery ever.

If the Bedini is working as you suggest you have charged a battery  (Battery-A) with leading pulse, aetheric etc energy. Congratulations.

Now Put the charged battery (Battery-A) in the source position.
Flatten the battery that was the source battery  (Battery-B).
Charge it with the Bedini.

My original post did not call for the full discharge of the target battery (Battery-A) , if you wish the light bulb approach mentioned earlier will work.

To complete this you will need to demonstrate that you can keep at least one battery fully charged no matter how many times you swap them.

I am letting you off easy because most Bedini evangelists would seem to claim that they can keep both batteries fully charged.

If the Bedini is just a pulse charger you will not be able to fully charge the target battery and after you swap the two out, the system will run down to a miserable grinding halt.

PS, I worked with early Lead Acid batteries in two way systems in the seventies. Back then we used pulse systems to rejuvenate old lead acid and early dry rechargeables regularly.

NB A battery may come up to voltage but that does not mean it is fully charged or functioning to capacity. Earlier suggestions that a Bedini system actually destroy batteries may be completely correct. Pulse rejuvanation will occaisionally give a battery a new lease of life.

Another Prediction: Assuming both batteries are identical you will never be able to fully charge  (Battery-A) from  (Battery-B) in a Bedini circuit.
"Charge the target battery (Battery-A) up without touching the source battery  (Battery-B). Don't put any external charge in either battery ever." this is a contradiction.
your test is garbage, this was explained to you right after you posted it. i remember smirking...

PS i don't care what you did on who... you didn't replicate the sg circuit, you changed it how you saw fit and cried when it didn't work. i'm not gonna let you off easy, how many times do i have to say this?

another prediction: you will continue to talk out your ass instead of actually applying science and replicating

PSS we are still highly interested to see your $10 dollar pulse charger that is powered by the battery that it is charging...

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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #111 on: July 19, 2008, 07:34:34 AM »
"Charge the target battery (Battery-A) up without touching the source battery  (Battery-B). Don't put any external charge in either battery ever." this is a contradiction.
your test is garbage, this was explained to you right after you posted it. i remember smirking...

PS i don't care what you did on who... you didn't replicate the sg circuit, you changed it how you saw fit and cried when it didn't work. i'm not gonna let you off easy, how many times do i have to say this? another prediction: you will continue to talk out your ass instead of actually applying science and replicating

PSS we are still highly interested to see your $10 dollar pulse charger that is powered by the battery that it is charging...

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No contradiction intended. By external charge I meant once you start this test don't put either battery on a traditional charger. (if you that is still not clear I meant - don't cheat)

Just take your Bedini which has two identical batteries in it. One is driving the motor (Battery-B) and one is being charged (Battery-A). Then discharge (Battery-A) completely and let  (Battery-B) charge it. Then swap them.

Who knows, you may be the first person ever to fully charge an identical battery with a Bedini.

I'm not asking much

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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #111 on: July 19, 2008, 07:34:34 AM »
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Offline WilbyInebriated

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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #112 on: July 19, 2008, 07:39:04 AM »
if you're not asking much, then do it yourself.   ::)
hey what do you know, my prediction was correct.

PS still waiting on that $10 dollar pulse charger that is powered by the battery that it is charging...

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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #113 on: July 19, 2008, 07:42:22 AM »
That was quick, how did the test go?

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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #114 on: July 19, 2008, 07:54:04 AM »
That was quick, how did the test go?

are you mental? how did what test go? your garbage test? as i told you, if it's not asking much then do it yourself.

PS still waiting on that $10 dollar pulse charger that is powered by the battery that it is charging...

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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #115 on: July 19, 2008, 08:05:20 AM »
I'm the guy saying it won't work you are saying it does. I'm saying prove it. You refuse.

Here is an illustration:

If Bill says he knows where bigfoot lives and Jack says bigfoot does not exist Bill is the one who needs to come up with the evidence.

If Bill insults Jack and demands that Jack prove bigfoot does not exist while all the time Bill insists that bigfoot is real it is not Jack who has the problem.

If Bell takes Jack and other witnesses to bigfoots lair, Bill will be a hero.

If he doesn't, well Jack won't be the mad fool.


PS, which Bedini circuit are you using? How many magnets etc? I think I asked you that earlier.

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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #116 on: July 19, 2008, 08:07:24 AM »
I'm the guy saying it won't work you are saying it does. I'm saying prove it. You refuse.

Here is an illustration:

If Bill says he knows where bigfoot lives and Jack says bigfoot does not exist Bill is the one who needs to come up with the evidence.

If Bill insults Jack and demands that Jack prove bigfoot does not exist while all the time Bill insists that bigfoot is real it is not Jack who has the problem.

If Bell takes Jack and other witnesses to bigfoots lair, Bill will be a hero.

If he doesn't, well Jack won't be the mad fool.


PS, which Bedini circuit are you using? How many magnets etc? I think I asked you that earlier.

i haven't claimed anything of the sort. i have been correcting your mistakes mostly.

I OWE YOU NOTHING.

here is an illustration. willit says it won't work and being all scientific and all he doesn't have to replicate it exactly. if willit thinks this is an insult he is a dumbass. if willit says it won't work he needs to have a replication and some data to show, if he doesn't willit will be the talking fool.

i answered what circuit i was using. you never asked boo shit about the magnets. how about you start answering some of my questions.

like where is this $10 pulse charge circuit?

and the "anectdotal account" according to the talking head PMM. you say it confirms your position and he says its inadmissible... how is that possible?

you say "Substantial load is any load that would make the Bedini anything more than a device that pulse charges batteries" and then you say a light and a motor are loads.... which the bedini sg will run... why are you contradicting yourself?

so you didn't replicate the sg at all did you?

prediction: you will continue to avoid answering and fall back to that imaginary "burden of proof" shit. typical, i noticed utilitarian fell back to that same lame bastion when i called him out on his bullshit too. can't even produce specs for his "charge monitoring circuit", sounds much like your $10 charger...



PS still waiting on that $10 dollar pulse charger that is powered by the battery that it is charging...
« Last Edit: July 19, 2008, 08:29:40 AM by WilbyInebriated »

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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #117 on: July 19, 2008, 08:36:12 AM »
here is what pmsdave, willitwork, utilitarian and others are engaging in and calling "science"...

5.  Adopting a prejudiced stance against a theory or an observed phenomena without first investigating the details, then using this as justification for refusing to investigate the details.

      "Your ideas are obviously garbage.  What, try to replicate your
      evidence?  I wouldn't soil my hands.  And besides, it would be
      a terrible waste of time and money, since there's no question about
      the outcome."

      or "I didn't need to because I know a pulse charge when I see one."

see http://amasci.com/pathsk2.txt


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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #118 on: July 19, 2008, 09:05:43 AM »
Does this constitute a claim that your Bedini works?

"i can charge all sorts of batteries, LAB's perform best"
and
"yes, and run a load off of it. most any battery type."

The second question is the answer to: "Can you flatten the target battery and recharge it?"

I read your two answers as admissions that the system works. The test I am after is that you completely flatten the battery connected to the cathode of the diode then start the Bedini and fully charge it, but you intimate that you have been able to do this.

- you have been holding out on us :)



The standard SG generates loss through the 10 ohm resistor, the 1K Pot, the lamp and the base to emitter junction. Have you considered any changes to minimize those losses? A 2n3055 has low gain which could be augmented by adding a silicon NPN in darlington configuration. The NEON is also wasteful. A higher voltage transistor or a switching fet would remove the need for the diode and increase efficiency as well.



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Re: Feynman makes a Bedini Motor
« Reply #119 on: July 19, 2008, 09:11:06 AM »
Does this constitute a claim that your Bedini works?

"i can charge all sorts of batteries, LAB's perform best"
and
"yes, and run a load off of it. most any battery type."

The second question is the answer to: "Can you flatten the target battery and recharge it?"

I read your two answers as admissions that the system works. The test I am after is that you completely flatten the battery connected to the cathode of the diode then start the Bedini and fully charge it, but you intimate that you have been able to do this.

- you have been holding out on us :)



The standard SG generates loss through the 10 ohm resistor, the 1K Pot, the lamp and the base to emitter junction. Have you considered any changes to minimize those losses? A 2n3055 has low gain which could be augmented by adding a silicon NPN in darlington configuration. The NEON is also wasteful. A higher voltage transistor or a switching fet would remove the need for the diode and increase efficiency as well.



you can read my answers however you like, still waiting for your answers though...AGAIN

the test you are after is a long wait for a train that ain't coming... it's easy, you said so yourself. as i have said numerous times, get on it. run your own damn test. i owe you nothing. acta non verba, you talking head.
i haven't been holding out on you at all, you simply refused to follow directions and/or replicate.

great, "improvements" from someone who hasn't built one...  ::) LMFAO


PS still waiting on that $10 dollar pulse charger that is powered by the battery that it is charging...

 

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