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Offline Alexioco

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Re: Alex's Bessler Wheel Discovery
« Reply #120 on: May 14, 2008, 04:26:02 PM »
No it means that if my wheel doesnt work, i have mroe to look at, im posting my new topic now, get ready...

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Re: Alex's Bessler Wheel Discovery
« Reply #121 on: May 14, 2008, 07:38:18 PM »
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4683.0.html

he's redirected us to his new thread. for those that might have only bookmarked this one, or maybe noone cares anymore. ;)

thanks archer, sorry alex


It is always good that these threads at least spark new information to be shared and renewed interest from members who may have become tired. I was ready to eat lots of cilantro and warm milk. Thank goodness that can wait.

Lets make sure the translation discussion of the MT's and their validity continues. New thread OR ?????? do we dance on this one?


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Re: Alex's Bessler Wheel Discovery
« Reply #122 on: May 14, 2008, 07:45:59 PM »
My new thread is the topic that teaches the movement, this thread can be closed now...

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Re: Alex's Bessler Wheel Discovery
« Reply #123 on: May 14, 2008, 07:57:02 PM »
Thanks for your permission, how quickly the student becomes the teacher, 40 views so far and noone has signed up for class.

I read this humbling statement from ED at bw.com and will paste it here

FROM 2005


it should be read everytime we think we have it


"Here are a few signs that someone who claims to have a working wheel or device are either a fraud, on the road to becoming a fraud, or just lying.

A - Things to look out for:

1 - They won't give out any details, photos, videos, etc. but keep insisting they have a working device.

2 - They keep exploring other devices (ideas?) even though not even ONE of their "working" devices has been proven. This even goes for some "companies" on the web. Selling many different "working" plans/devices, etc.

3 - They claim the reason they don't want to "tell all" is they are afraid, yet they continue to draw attention to themselves through posts and/or little bits of "evidence" in the form of images, more ideas, crappy videos, advice to us non-havers-of-knowledge, etc. but ultimately things that still show or prove nothing.

4 - They have images, videos and/or a flash animation of some kludge of an idea that is hard to prove simply and they claim it works, but this "evidence" still proves nothing.

5 - They have a working device but don't want to release anything yet because it doesn't fit all of Bessler's clues.

6 - They remote viewed the data for a working device, but it would be too insulting to the entities to reveal anything publically at this time.

7 - They already have a working device now or they are very close, but they want to release it on a specific date...like July 4th...because it will be great for the whole world to be independant.

B - Things to keep in mind:

1 - We only need ONE working device folks! ONE.

2 - Even a video of a working device can be faked easily. Software, equipment and skills needed these days is easy to come by, either directly or through someone else who has and knows how to use them. Making a video of a person sitting at a table or in a workshop with a "working" device can be done in an afternoon with inexpensive equipment/software. As for a crummy video claiming to show a working device, if someone takes the time and has the equipment/skill to capture that device and display it with some technology, they should be able to show more detail, otherwise it's just slight-of-hand for some agenda (money, fame, "look-at-me", more hits to their web site, "proof" they did it first for later once someone else really has a working device, etc.)

3 - The only real way to prove you have a working device is if you can supply the correct information to allow others to replicate it PERIOD. You can't even prove an internal combustion engine works by just showing a car drive down the street. Sure, you can prove a car can drive down the street, but how do we know there is not someone in the engine compartment pedalling like Fred Flintstone?

4 - People are too willing to believe, follow, or give credit to someone who claims they have a working device or idea. Don't cults form this way? Seriously, what is up with this? Are people that incapable/unwilling to build, lazy, don't have time/money/skill/knowledge...but really, really want free energy to exist so will jump on board with the first person who "sounds" like they have something?

5 - We probably have more to fear from fraud or people who "jump the gun" and claim they have something that works or flat-out lie, than we do from corporations, government or academia. How many years has the whole free energy field cried wolf but not produced anything. Forever! The "powers that be" don't even have to lift a finger. The people who claim they are afraid but still talk about it are MORE at risk since they haven't released their data (that is assuming it worked in the first place) yet they are drawing the very attention they claim they don't want.

6 - Due to the urgency of the need for free energy and the imagined fame/fortune that people think they will actually get for coming up with a working device, this seems to be one of the most scattered and easily distracted fields on the net. People play their hands close to their chest. Like the fisherman who sees a fish jump and puts his line over there, some people jump from idea to idea to idea if they hit the slightest problem or are told the idea won't work. Sometimes ideas won't work and they should be told, other times we all (myself as well) jump around too much. I think Wilbur Wright said something to the effect "it's not the ideas we have but the ideas we keep". We need to stay focused. There are many other global "open source" projects that are collected, focused, and much more productive than it seems this field is. These other projects (linux, mame, seti@home, etc.) grow in leaps and bounds compared to this field (well, maybe not seti...they still haven't found an alien :-). What do we have to show for all these years? Just a collection of recycled ideas, a few new ones and unproven "evidence" scatted across the web. Where's the progress?

7 - As Patrick so wisely said in another post, "The easiest person to deceive is ourselves". I can't tell you how many times I've thought I had something and, before I've 100% proven it to myself, wanted to jump the gun and tell someone else...anyone else, only to find out in the process of building..."Ahhhh, no! It ain't gonna work". Sometimes I feel stuck between a rock and a hard plance because on one hand I would like to share everything I have at the moment in the hopes that we can get there quicker, but I also don't want to add to the noise/distraction with yet more unworkable stuff. I don't know about all of you, but it does take a lot out of you...the ups, the downs, the years. Maybe some people get tired of the downs, so they just keep claiming their stuff works...it's easier that way. I sometimes procrastinate on building something I think will work for no other reason than I'm afraid it will end in failure. Not building keeps the idea alive, but "the future won't begin" unless we actually move forward.

8 - We should establish up front with ourselves what we hope to gain from solving this puzzle (proving working free energy) because it will help to get to the goal quicker. I know of some people in this field that would be unhappy if it was solved because they won't have anything to do any more. ???! I have plenty of other ideas I would like to explore or actually make money from. I would like nothing better than ANYONE to solve this so that I can clear my mind of such obsessive subject matter. Of course I struggle, at times, with the ideas of fame/fortune as I think are only human nature. My point here is that I've changed my attitude several time from being secretive until I get money (like Bessler), to I'll forgo money for fame, to I just want it finished so we all can benefit from it and I can get on with my life! Incidentally...I feel better now. :-)

9 - Let's use Bessler as a guide and not an absolute. A working device doesn't need to fit all or any of his clues. It just needs to work and we need to be able to replicate it.

10 - If someone keeps posting all kinds of idea to the web or on forums, they may be just trying to set the stage for them to "prove" that they had the idea first once someone else really does make a working device. One guy on another forum told me he does this exact thing. To those people keep this in mind, Edison didn't invent the light bulb....he just was the first to make the idea work usefully! Who's name does everyone remember...I thought so.

11 - Let's not worry what date the actual first working device gets built and tested on, only that it does and soon."



Copied directly from Ed @bw.com thread about fraudsters or people lying to themselves. 


It centers me everytime i have a Eureka moment.


Sorry alex, i won't be showing up for class, i didn't get my deposit back from the last 5 classes i joined, and i believe you did not pay for any of your classes yet either.  ;D

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Re: Alex's Bessler Wheel Discovery
« Reply #124 on: May 14, 2008, 09:58:39 PM »
lol your expelled then

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Re: Alex's Bessler Wheel Discovery
« Reply #125 on: May 14, 2008, 10:54:08 PM »
@Dgraphic911

 That is some what interesting and would help many to center themselves on the possible moment. :o

When someone thinks they got it. It still takes time to know for sure. And if it is still a plan, it still has to be built.

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Re: Alex's MT Combination
« Reply #126 on: May 15, 2008, 04:51:31 PM »
I think about that is very good also, it also makes me think little, i will not be making any more claims about this wheel until its done and tested!

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Re: Alex's MT Combination
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Re: Alex's MT Combination
« Reply #127 on: May 18, 2008, 09:56:55 AM »
Gustov22,

I think a sliding rod - crossing the center of the wheel's axis - would be helpful.
This guy Archer Quinn is making a lot of publicity for this set up, lately. I stole the idea from him. I hope he does not mind.


You did not steal anything from Archer Quinn, I am 68 years old and the first time I saw it, I kicked the slats out of my cradle  :)  Actually it has been around way before Bessler was a gleam in his fathers eye!

Check my photo gallery and you will find a sample of one spoke set up on a 360 degree adjustable ramp, There were eight levers on the machine.  Purpose of the test was to attempt finding a sweet spot for the ramp position and degree of inclined plane. Results proved their is no sweet spot and it will not work.

Archer has shown us nothing that has not been tried before.  Any day now I anticipate someone of his skills hollering hallelujah! I have invented a fur lined bath tub to keep the water warm...

Ralph 


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Re: Alex's MT Combination
« Reply #128 on: May 18, 2008, 03:46:11 PM »
Gustov22,

I think a sliding rod - crossing the center of the wheel's axis - would be helpful.
This guy Archer Quinn is making a lot of publicity for this set up, lately. I stole the idea from him. I hope he does not mind.


You did not steal anything from Archer Quinn, I am 68 years old and the first time I saw it, I kicked the slats out of my cradle  :)  Actually it has been around way before Bessler was a gleam in his fathers eye!

Check my photo gallery and you will find a sample of one spoke set up on a 360 degree adjustable ramp, There were eight levers on the machine.  Purpose of the test was to attempt finding a sweet spot for the ramp position and degree of inclined plane. Results proved their is no sweet spot and it will not work.

Archer has shown us nothing that has not been tried before.  Any day now I anticipate someone of his skills hollering hallelujah! I have invented a fur lined bath tub to keep the water warm...

Ralph 



Where do we view your gallery

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Re: Alex's MT Combination
« Reply #129 on: May 18, 2008, 05:24:43 PM »
Hi Ralph,

http://a-z-studios.com/gallery/

nice pictures here and a great Flash site.
Well done.

Did you ever get something to work contineously ?

Have a look at the ramp pulley system I just posted here:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4683.msg97622.html#msg97622

Did you ever try something like this ?
With another additional  ramp it can be made probably selfoscillating.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Alex's MT Combination
« Reply #130 on: May 18, 2008, 06:07:17 PM »
I dont understand what the wheel is supposed to do in that picture?
could somone explain

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« Reply #131 on: May 18, 2008, 06:14:58 PM »
Alex,

Where do we view your gallery.

Any Member having a web link and wishing to share it has a blue globe or ball located in the far left column under their name and with the E- mail icons.  Simply click on the the blue ball and the web link will open.  Hans has a great one that I have beer reviewing on and off in my spare time.

At BesslerWheel.Com to open a personal web page you click on the WWW  located at the bottom of the post.

Ralph

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« Reply #132 on: May 18, 2008, 07:20:41 PM »
Stefen,

http://a-z-studios.com/gallery/

nice pictures here and a great Flash site.
Well done.

Thanks, but the credit is not mine, A high school graduate already had the web link.  He joined the Navy and gave me the sight. All I know how to do with it is add pictures and images. The rest I could edit and personalize if I knew how but I don'tt.   

Did you ever get something to work contineously ?

I have came close a number of times but, no! I cannot claim a runner, One often when working on a design will develop tunnel vision without realizing it. It is normal to finally realize the you have configured it into a balanced wheel that will spin for a long time simply due to kinetic and inertial forces applied with that moderate starting push. It will spin forever but will not produce a sustaining force, let alone any output.
   
Have a look at the ramp pulley system I just posted here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4683.msg97622.html#msg97622
Did you ever try something like this ?
With another additional  ramp it can be made probably selfoscillating.


I am not into WM2D other than "Wood, Metal & 2 Days"  Therefore I do not feel qualified to make comment on your above screen shot.  I can with confidence say that I have built and researched many ramp designs, ramps being either internal or externally fixed. Some using magnets not unlike Archer Quinn's proposal. IT WILL NOT WORK!

When using ropes and pulleys  with or without ramps one must consider what centripetal forces are going to come into play during rotation. In you above design I feel very apprehensive that it will eat it alive.

The first rule of thumb I use for evaluating a design is to remove all the mechanical gobbely-Goop and look at the positon of the weights. I then vector them within a vertical reference. Then tally both the ascending and descending sides.  Most end up being a hight for width scenario.  Even Bessler took note of this and  claimed anyone believing that it  will work is in for a disappointment. 

You will often see the term "hight for width" posted by either Fletcher or myself as he is also well educated in the school of hard knocks learning to appreciate it as I have "The hard way".   

@Alex,

You made a statement in a previous post stating that your axle moved up and down. Would you care to elaborate on that.  If a wheel is to work this characteristic is a welcome sight if the source of such action is due to "out of Balance"..
I refer you to the  'Borlach' papers regarding his eye witness report on watching Bessler's wheel.
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Ralph     

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Re: Alex's MT Combination
« Reply #133 on: May 18, 2008, 08:12:41 PM »
Stefen,

http://a-z-studios.com/gallery/

nice pictures here and a great Flash site.
Well done.

Thanks, but the credit is not mine, A high school graduate already had the web link.  He joined the Navy and gave me the sight. All I know how to do with it is add pictures and images. The rest I could edit and personalize if I knew how but I don'tt.   

Did you ever get something to work contineously ?

I have came close a number of times but, no! I cannot claim a runner, One often when working on a design will develop tunnel vision without realizing it. It is normal to finally realize the you have configured it into a balanced wheel that will spin for a long time simply due to kinetic and inertial forces applied with that moderate starting push. It will spin forever but will not produce a sustaining force, let alone any output.
   
Have a look at the ramp pulley system I just posted here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4683.msg97622.html#msg97622
Did you ever try something like this ?
With another additional  ramp it can be made probably selfoscillating.


I am not into WM2D other than "Wood, Metal & 2 Days"  Therefore I do not feel qualified to make comment on your above screen shot.  I can with confidence say that I have built and researched many ramp designs, ramps being either internal or externally fixed. Some using magnets not unlike Archer Quinn's proposal. IT WILL NOT WORK!

When using ropes and pulleys  with or without ramps one must consider what centripetal forces are going to come into play during rotation. In you above design I feel very apprehensive that it will eat it alive.

The first rule of thumb I use for evaluating a design is to remove all the mechanical gobbely-Goop and look at the positon of the weights. I then vector them within a vertical reference. Then tally both the ascending and descending sides.  Most end up being a hight for width scenario.  Even Bessler took note of this and  claimed anyone believing that it  will work is in for a disappointment. 

You will often see the term "hight for width" posted by either Fletcher or myself as he is also well educated in the school of hard knocks learning to appreciate it as I have "The hard way".   

@Alex,

You made a statement in a previous post stating that your axle moved up and down. Would you care to elaborate on that.  If a wheel is to work this characteristic is a welcome sight if the source of such action is due to "out of Balance"..
I refer you to the  'Borlach' papers regarding his eye witness report on watching Bessler's wheel.
.
Ralph     


When the axel is in my wheel, the axel is just off centre so when I lift the wheel over the axel its falls back around and the heavy part of the wheel rests at the bottom...

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Re: Alex's MT Combination
« Reply #134 on: May 18, 2008, 09:45:21 PM »
I'm not going to say anything but you lot are in for a massive surprise, and its big...

 

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