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Author Topic: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban  (Read 391756 times)

Offline Grumpy

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #510 on: April 24, 2008, 03:55:46 PM »

sm agreed with carl saying sequential pulsing of coils. that's not really possible without some electronics.


what if the coils are connected "sequentially"?

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #511 on: April 24, 2008, 04:00:55 PM »
what if the coils are connected "sequentially"?

This won't create rotating magnetic field it seems if pulsed together. However, if coils are connected sequentially so that pulse in one coil results in delayed pulse in another coil, then maybe.

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #512 on: April 24, 2008, 04:20:09 PM »
@ Alecks

   Energy can be converted into mass and mass into energy.  Remember E=mc2.  Reread the definitions over and over again till you get it.   Also consider that the electron can shift it's
magnetic dipole moments in the tetrahertz frequency scale.  Also consider the electron has
MASS that can be converted to energy.  You don't need to fuse or split the entire atom to change it's mass into energy.  The electron has plenty of mass to convert.


@ All

      What I have stated above is about "burning" electrons instead of old dead trees or atomic neuclei.  Converting a portion of the mass of the electron into energy.  The radio wave or kick acts as a catalyst in this burn.  It is the spark not the wood.  Earth restores the mass of the electron alot faster than a tree grows.

   Tesla made a much more elegant machine than SM.  He took a highfrequency kick and had it travel across his pancake voltage multiplier coil.  On a 60hz analogy.  If he started out investing 1 amp at 60hz and 1 volt.  He would get out on the turns at the end of the spiral 1 amp at 60hz and 20,000 volts.   Nice transformer huh.

   SM should go visit the Tesla museum. 

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #513 on: April 24, 2008, 04:25:01 PM »
@Grumpy


    You can pulse them all in parallel and change the reactance of the individual coils.  This is how a single phase motor creates it's shifting magnetic field the rotor tries to catch up with.

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #514 on: April 24, 2008, 04:26:01 PM »
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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #515 on: April 24, 2008, 04:28:00 PM »
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Where is the energy imbalance to start the reaction?

Like in oscillators (with the right gain and positive feedback) what starts the oscillations?   It's the constant electrical noise, very small, but quickly can amplify and cause big signals. 

Or,  in a speaker/mic causing feedback and the ear pearcing ringing, what initiates that?   Even the smallest actual audio noise.

However, he places a magnet there,  that's quite something.   Also notice he does not turn ON any switch or anything, he just places a magnet there.  That's how the device starts it's operation.   Got theories?   I do.

EM

P.S.   Here's some practical advice.   Free you mind from all you heard from SM via Lindsay.  Imagine that it was something else, and then look at the videos as if you never saw them before, and just take it in for what it's worth.  It's easier than done, since our minds are so bent on "curvefitting" everyting we see into some theory or patern.  After all, storage space is limited and "compression" of info must take place in our minds. 

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #516 on: April 24, 2008, 04:56:11 PM »
so consider this

scalabilty is no problem. Jack you know mosfets were available in the 80's when SM developed this tech. If those are fets in the ftpu, they are large package devices. high power is not required here, and the small blue unit obviously is a much later model and could have used surface mount mosfets...they are pretty small, and were available in the 90's. yes a small button battery or 2 may be all that is required to get the process going.

yes, the control boxes...a diversion? i really doubt that. if that's the case then you should be questioning everything you see on the ftpu (and all the others) as a possible diversion, including that spiral wrap thingy of yours, and the choke. see where this goes?

sm agreed with carl saying sequential pulsing of coils. that's not really possible without some electronics.

there are electronics in there, in some cases minimal, but there

im not so sure i beleave this quote i bolded   could you not do this with  spark gaps and diffrent value caps ?? and i guess if you were tesla you could wind your coils so as you dont need a diode

i do not claim to be correct in this thing  altho tests i have done and things i have seen lead me to beleave it is a simple device with out electronics  the basic unit anyways and if not sm's device the little mess i made a wile ago did some verry neat things

the advanced units i beleave they make rotating standing waves with electronics thus elemanitaning the heat problem

@sparks nice post  :)   

oh wait a min....    i have a coil  just like ....   where is it agin.....   oh yea the turbo coil

here is a link  it is a invertor or a convertor  ;)  http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2220.0.html

been here a wile .....

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« Last Edit: April 24, 2008, 05:25:31 PM by innovation_station »

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #517 on: April 24, 2008, 05:24:59 PM »
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Where is the energy imbalance to start the reaction?

Like in oscillators (with the right gain and positive feedback) what starts the oscillations?   It's the constant electrical noise, very small, but quickly can amplify and cause big signals. 

Or,  in a speaker/mic causing feedback and the ear pearcing ringing, what initiates that?   Even the smallest actual audio noise.

However, he places a magnet there,  that's quite something.   Also notice he does not turn ON any switch or anything, he just places a magnet there.  That's how the device starts it's operation.   Got theories?   I do.

EM

P.S.   Here's some practical advice.   Free you mind from all you heard from SM via Lindsay.  Imagine that it was something else, and then look at the videos as if you never saw them before, and just take it in for what it's worth.  It's easier than done, since our minds are so bent on "curvefitting" everyting we see into some theory or patern.  After all, storage space is limited and "compression" of info must take place in our minds. 

I don't recall SM ever stating or even implying that a magnet was "required" for operation.  If this was the case, then would external magnetic fields pose a problem.

Also, the TPU doesn't seem to interfere with the TV.  Is it even "electromagnetic" after all?

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #518 on: April 24, 2008, 05:41:34 PM »
@JD

You say there is no battery because you do not conceive seeing him taking off all that tape. Who said you have to take all the tape off. If I had a battery in the small taped TPUs it would be under the first tape I removed, not the last. No one was every allowed to take one apart besides the cut-away. On the smallest taped TPU, you would have to take a look to see if a part of that wrinkled tape covering is newer then the rest. That would explain battery change. All the other devices all have their places for a battery. But right now I am concentrating on the FPTU.

@EM

I have been using the new VirtualDubMod with all those filters. But I really miss being able to zoom in and then pan around the image. Then do some forward/backwards movement. It's too bad I cannot pan or there is no scroll bars.

As for no pulsing. This is DC and if there is no pulsing, there is no primary to secondary coupling. The toroid would not produce current on that 8 laced black wire and you would just produce heat.

Let me show you somethings.

Photo ftpu-maybe-reed1.jpg shows A and B point. The A point is a connection with some spaghetti tube right next to the toroid and the magnet area. There could be a reed in there easy. The B point direct to the top of the toroid are where there is a same spaghetti connector just hanging over the toroid. You cannot see it in the photo because you have to play around with the image to see it but it is there. A is on the right half, B is on the left half. Why would you have this there?

Photo ftpu-battery1.jpg points to the underside center hole that is very bright for a hole. When you look closely, you will see what looks like the positive of a B type 1.5 volt battery. You can also see there is a wire there that just stops on the surface of the battery. Have you ever soldered a wire to a battery. lol

The picture you posted showing the three white wires rising from the center is very good also. When you follow these wires, you will see they are connected to the primary in the way shown in my animation. But that is not important right now.

I asked about Zener diodes on a previous post that I referred you guys to the Tesla Project thread. In the Tesla Project thread, we have shown that you can energize a circuit, make a short, and use the flyback. Making two movements for the price of one. And all that's required is a short. But I do not think SM was that advanced to think of the flyback.

The FPTU in probably using two loops, one low level loop that is isolated from the higher voltage loop coming from the primary/secondary action. The isolation is taking place in the toroid by the black wire that is laced through the toroid holes. I will get into this aspect soon but need a few more pieces of the puzzle. Looks like

Meanwhile............

1) If there are any EE guys like @eldarion that can make a quick mock up of the FTPU rings using two iron wires and a secondary wire and wrap four primaries of maximum 12 turns per quad, then connect as per the animation  and do some alternating pulsing and measure the secondary output, this would help incredibly at this stage. You can then try other primary connecting schemes and polarities to finalize this section.

2) If there are any guys that have a virgin toroid core, make 4 holes on each half, lace a thin multi-strand wire through the holes, then wrap two coils on each half and do some testing, this again would help advance forward.

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« Reply #519 on: April 24, 2008, 05:59:40 PM »
  Wattsup.,

The magnet is used just like a speaker magnet is used as a reference.  Then you sense the change in the magnetic field so you know what the Earth's magnetic field is doing.  Obviously SM didn't know what his machine was doing at this stage in product development he just knew how it worked.
 
@ Inno

  Too old guy Stephan made it disappear.  Thanks which one.?  My electric motor that is run by an inverter spiked  4000 times a second is burning electrons in my modem to street dsl connection this morning.  Voltage signal is so low from the modem I've got communications problems.  I've got to shield the line to stop the fire. ;)

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #520 on: April 24, 2008, 06:25:38 PM »
EMdevices and Jack D are speaking wise words here - believe half of what you see and none of what you hear. Only way we'll figure this out is by actually doing it.

The debate rages on about how much SS circuitry is involved, tubes as amps, batteries, etc. I'm with Jack on this point - there can't be much in there, and it certainly could not have been too sophisticated. But there has to be something in there to start it up, else the TPU would be the perpetual motion machine from hell that couldn't be stopped! Whatever SS components it utilizes, they simply do not matter at this point. All that matters is replicating the coil arrangement - we have function generators and the like that will suffice for bench work, then the circuits required for autonomous operation will be easy.

I plan to replicate the Rene-rator this weekend, time allowing (the downside of self-employment). I will document and share everything.

Build, guys, build! Share complete information about your builds on this forum. Folks that are doing similar builds should collaborate in the spirit we've seen in Otto, Ronotte, JasonO, Bruce, GK, & others. We're a thriving community here - whatever it took SM years to do, we can do in months if we keep the momentum going and openly share our successes and failures. We have to build or nothing will be learned!

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« Reply #521 on: April 24, 2008, 06:56:05 PM »
Hello All,

It has finaly happend, I have also thrown together some stuff...I just want to have some hands on experience of how coils interact..As I am working on my house I have boxes of wire lying around.
I made some coils as my pic shows.
if I pulse the bleu coils with my powerdrill bat then I get some 10 volts in the cap of my braun coil.
If I pulse the braun coil, I only get some 0,2 volts in the black coil.
When I put a small magnet inside the coils, it really jumps, LOL. Shot of the table once, scared the cat. Nice result ;)
I know it is not much considering all the smart EEs here, but its my own humble start.

next thing I wanna do is take apart an old elektric motor and make some kind of pulsing device from the commutator and the brushes.

I know this is probably not the rigth topic I am posting this.......

It is so nice to see how involved everybody is in achieving the goal!!!!!!

greetings Rene

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #522 on: April 24, 2008, 07:00:46 PM »
Oh well i was thinking the same thing two years ago...
Things change when it becomes the perpetual motion machine from hell.

M.

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« Reply #523 on: April 24, 2008, 07:24:41 PM »
  @ Marco

   These people have no idea about how much energy is involved with the tpu.  This isn't a sixth grade science project.  Building without  knowing what is going on is just not only stupid it is fucking dangerous. 

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« Reply #524 on: April 24, 2008, 07:33:46 PM »
@Sparks

Better us than the six grader tho..  In my mind you always have to work for something, if you dont shed some pain and sweat you didnt really work for it.  as well its much better if one of us gets the shit zapped outo of us or rad burns than some gradeschooler trying a project becase his family cant afford power anymore... This is a sad double eged sword but it has to be done. 
 
I can tell you this, my Girlfriends dad who owns a family dairy farm paid approx 2.00 a gallon for diesel last year to fillt here fuel tanks below ground for the year.  Small farmers dont make a whole lot so now take this, this year it will cost him over 5 dollars a gallon to fill the tanks for the year. That difference in gas was there profit  .... now tahts gone and the poor guy and his father and there uncles work all day just to keep the animals allive and milk them. But there pay checks have gotten significantly smaller. 250 - 300 dollars a week isnt that much when your use to about 600 a week.  When i see things like that happenign in life.. The cons of getting burned or shocked seem pretty  insignificant. 

PS.. when grandpa brought up the fact that he would buy horses and dig his old plows up if it came to it.. the issue kinda hit home with me

 

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