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Author Topic: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban  (Read 391768 times)

Offline Grumpy

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #405 on: April 22, 2008, 03:39:19 PM »
If I'm handed a schematic,  I can duplicate it and have a unit runing.

If I'm given a running unit,  I have it.

Once I have a running unit, (either built or given to me)  I can then proceeed to understand how it works.

Once I understand how it works, I can scale up or down and modify or simplify.

But we have neither, but can deduce most of the schematic from the videos... and with some retoric from SM we might just be able to piece this mistery together.

Is it realy an "effect" ?  Some exotic "comp" field, or special material properties?,  or is it using well known electromagnetic principles to extract energy from the earth magnetic field?

EM

SM stated in plain English that Tao had the "secret".  No cryptic analogy.  No esoteric words.  He said the he "definitely has the secret".

Tao's post dealt entirely with the production of the "radiant energy effect", which "runs with gain" via some unexplored mechanism of magnification.

Eric Dollard and Peter Lindemann (sp?) produced a video where Dollard illustrates and discusses the RE effect - lights bulbs, and shows how copper is attracted to the bulbs and the human hand is repelled.  This video can be found free via Google.  I don't see anyone picking that video apart and it has been around for many years.  Dollard has also written 5 books related to this subject.

If it makes it easier to accept, "dispacement current" is still a current.

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #406 on: April 22, 2008, 03:42:29 PM »
@ em

have you ever used a neo in a mechanical setup.....??

i think 2 coils a neo a power supply mabe a few more parts....   will get you there  no?

and if you are not brave enough to play with neos try a alum strip and a reed switch  ;)

now...  when this is configured properly  when you aproch the coil with an external magnet it will dance  ;)

ist

anyone else think the basic tpu is a fancy relay switch switched at 5khz??

1more thing ....   after the dance is  started i see no reason why the source can not be removed and the extra captured and sent back through the system   this is where we get the ramp up or the turbine effect once it hits 5 khz we can draw off it

no!?!?!?!

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #407 on: April 22, 2008, 04:35:05 PM »
SM stated in plain English that Tao had the "secret".  No cryptic analogy.  No esoteric words.  He said the he "definitely has the secret".

SM alluded to "you got it!" more than just with tao's post. carl's posts were praised, Lindsay's coil, and there are others. based on this i don't think it is safe to assume any one is the clear answer.

there are things with the tpu that don't fit with RE as i'm sure you agree. spherics' posts didn't allude to RE generation at all, but sounds more like conventional induction. the key according to him is generating the comp field. rotating it around is child's play. so it all goes back to the ol' kick again.

there's a bit of road ahead yet.

btw, has anyone wondered how or why spherics appears to know so much? is it really possible when SM was so guarded? maybe it is one of those that broke in and stole a device, or maybe it's someone that worked at spheric labs on the speakers, or learned of the tpu workings 3rd hand. read this:

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I will now digress onto the circumstance surrounding the initial eureka moment as I understand them.
he goes on to describe delays with ES speakers...interesting

but sounds like 3rd hand info to me.

his coil-firing arrangement does agree with what carl suggested

lil' ol' troll

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #407 on: April 22, 2008, 04:35:05 PM »
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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #408 on: April 22, 2008, 04:38:51 PM »
These guys produce Topaz Moment:
http://www.topazlabs.com

...and other software packages.

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #409 on: April 22, 2008, 04:54:03 PM »
If the TPU was "sold" or "acquired" then it is logical that it underwent study and possibly further development.  This would have involved others besides SM.

SM uses the term "we" on several occasions when discussing the development of the device.

Concerning RE, there are many ways to create and/or utilize it.  Tesla first noticed "something else" when large DC generators were switched on.  In Tesla's patents on RE collection he shows various ways to recieve the energy, and even focus it, but always uses a capacitor for storage.

As for "induction" there are many forms of this, not just "electromagnetic induction".


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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #410 on: April 22, 2008, 05:24:14 PM »
If it makes it easier to accept, "dispacement current" is still a current.
Yep, it is... Imagine that abrupt discharge creates RE (comp) field. This strongly displaces existing magnetic field, but since core is slow, this displacement results in a pretty relaxed kick that immediately follows pulse. Make the core fast and you'll likely won't notice anything since your core won't have any energy in it by the time when the discharge fires. So, I would suggest before performing any tests make sure your core is slow, that it sustains magnetic/electric field after each pulse so that next pulse can interfere with some field. I may be wrong, of course, but that's an idea to consider.
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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #411 on: April 22, 2008, 05:27:38 PM »
always uses a capacitor for storage.
I think it's a requirement. Nothing (beside maybe avalanche MOSFET) can push so much current in a single pulse. Capacitor discharges logarithmically which makes it possible to estimate the peak energy output of each pulse and length of the pulse, knowing capacitor's rating. I guess most guys here are playing with toyish discharges that do not make any difference except on the o-scope. It's a dangerous biz in fact. 5000 pulses per second with 100mJ each pulse equals to 500 W*s power.

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #412 on: April 22, 2008, 05:50:09 PM »
Eric Dollard's video on Longitudinal Electricity where he demonstrates radiant energy:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=eric+dollard+longitudinal+electricity+video

(pick one - it has been loaded to several locations)


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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #413 on: April 22, 2008, 05:50:32 PM »
   The capacitor is used to collect the pulsed energy.   You can take an avalanche diode and put it downstream of a capacitor and create a spike which is then directed to interfere with mass and disresonate the mass.  Then collect the photon phonons potential energy whatever you want to call translatory energy,  on a capacitor or a collector winding or a radio receiver steel antennae or some salt water or an x-ray exposure plate or on a....................  .  It is not the energy of the spike that you are collecting.  Alecks the SPIKE IS A CATALYST.   The ambient magnetic field restores resonance to the mass that just shook off a little potential energy and you are back in business.
Is it necessary to define a catalyst?

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #414 on: April 22, 2008, 06:25:26 PM »
Until you discover this "effect", you're just wasting your time.

@Grumpy, I agree that even if we had the schematics and even a method of building a working device, will still wouldn't necessarily know the true principles behind it's operation, but surely this is what we're all aiming for? Whether we look for the theory first, or try to reverse-engineer the "original" devices by looking at the available information thus far, we're still trying to achieve the same goal?

@EMdevices - yes, I think there would be more information in the interlaced frames, and it's difficult to see detail when the two fields are blended (even with the best deinterlacers.) I never thought of duplicating the fields, then looking at both fields separately. I know you were discussing viewing the separate fields, but what did you mean when you said that Jack's video is already deinterlaced though? (The DVD VOB files are definitely interlaced?)

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #415 on: April 22, 2008, 06:30:59 PM »
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but what did you mean when you said that Jack's video is already deinterlaced though?


I have something to compare it too  (frame grabs posted long ago)  and those are more clear and the interlaced fields can easily be seen and when taken apart, the picture has way more info for use with Topaz labs, or other superesolution solutions.   But, if you look at a typical frame from the Jack video,  you won't see the typical lines on the edges of moving objects (mice teeth,etc..)  which are indicative of interlaced video,  instead you will see a blur,  which means he already DEINTERLACED by BLENDING  the fields together.     I'll try and post one of these "mice teeth"  frames so you can see.....

EM

P.S. Look at the tape measure in motion , see the lines?    now compare to Jack's video.

A good comentary on deinterlacing etc..  www.100fps.com

In the frame shown,  the tpu itself is not moving, so we are ok, but in most of the other shots, either the camera shakes,  or Steven moves the tpu around,  so we loose so much info by Blending.     Remember,  each field in a frame is an actual picture in time, so we get sharp motion frozen pictures of the tpu  (but at half the vertical resolution, but that's ok since we have 2 fields per frame and they're offset verticaly,)  just read the above link and it will explain it a lot better.

The botom line, we need the have as close a copy to the original as possible,  no deinterlacing, no nothing.  We can do the rest digitaly and extract all the info that can reasonably be extracted from both of the individual fields within a single frame.
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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #416 on: April 22, 2008, 07:01:27 PM »
Hi EM,
Jack?s video is still interlaced.

You are correct, that it might be more usefull to deinterlace
the video this way, that it will be converted into
single frames from the single fields and thus upconvert from
29.97 Hz to about 60 Hz,
so every field will be converted (interpolated) from 720x240 to 720x480
and the vertical 1 scanline difference will be adjusted.

This week, I don?t have much time, but when again having
more time I will see, if I can this way get more infos from it.

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #417 on: April 22, 2008, 07:07:27 PM »
Yes that's correct Stefan,  let's give Jack some time, he did promise to do another copy like he posted.

And yes, you can say the footage is "interlaced",   a sharp picture can also be thought of as "interlaced",  the point was that when he copied from the master tape to the computer, he probably selected deinterlace on the fly by blending, or something simular.    (my capture device has that feature as well)   So that's why the fields got blended and smeared where there is motion  (and there's lots of motion right where things get interesting and zoomed in on the TPUs)

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #418 on: April 22, 2008, 07:15:36 PM »
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but what did you mean when you said that Jack's video is already deinterlaced though?


I have something to compare it too  (frame grabs posted long ago)  and those are more clear and the interlaced fields can easily be seen and when taken apart, the picture has way more info for use with Topaz labs, or other superesolution solutions.   But, if you look at a typical frame from the Jack video,  you won't see the typical lines on the edges of moving objects (mice teeth,etc..)  which are indicative of interlaced video,  instead you will see a blur,  which means he already DEINTERLACED by BLENDING  the fields together.     I'll try and post one of these "mice teeth"  frames so you can see.....

EM

P.S. Look at the tape measure in motion , see the lines?    now compare to Jack's video.

A good comentary on deinterlacing etc..  www.100fps.com

In the frame shown,  the tpu itself is not moving, so we are ok, but in most of the other shots, either the camera shakes,  or Steven moves the tpu around,  so we loose so much info by Blending.     Remember,  each field in a frame is an actual picture in time, so we get sharp motion frozen pictures of the tpu  (but at half the vertical resolution, but that's ok since we have 2 fields per frame and they're offset verticaly,)  just read the above link and it will explain it a lot better.

The botom line, we need the have as close a copy to the original as possible,  no deinterlacing, no nothing.  We can do the rest digitaly and extract all the info that can reasonably be extracted from both of the individual fields within a single frame.

Notice in the picture the position twist and relative postion of the bailing wire to the control coil turns.  Flux capacitors would have to be made out of something you can magnetize but in this case the Earth is magnetising this capacitor.

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #419 on: April 22, 2008, 07:35:24 PM »
Ok,  to illustrate,  here's the two fields in the above frame,  deinterlaced and placed next to each other.  These can then be scaled up vertically, back to 480,  and since they are slightly verticaly shifted, virtualDub and other software can compensate and adjust.  Now we can scale up the time speed from 29.97 frames per second, to almost twice that (not too sure on this, as the frames are interposed, this science is a bit involved)

Anyway, notice that now you can see more detail in the moving objects  (tape measure in this case)   You might still get some bluring due to the motion and the shutter speed of the camera,  but it's nowere near as bad as blending the fields.

EM

P.S.  I added the scaled up version.

 

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