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Author Topic: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban  (Read 460039 times)

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #375 on: April 21, 2008, 09:54:29 PM »
Quote from: Spider on April 21, 2008, 09:15:14 PM
hi all

@jack,
I am not that much into football, only when we play the european cup or the world cup.
But when I happen to stumble into the guy i will ask for you ;)
if you are interrested in what I do in my spare time:
http://turbo124.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=4717


@all

I dont believe the RPM of the TPU was that high, otherwise a spinning compass would never have kept up with the starting rotating field.

If the earth is a giant radio station, we must be darn close to it, rigth on its surface....

Greetings Rene.



Hi Rene,

I am beginning to think that this device is really a clumsy phase locked loop based design that locks to the Schumann cavity after a little "priming" from an oscillator much like a pull starter on an engine taking it from an idle state to a phase locked one. A tank tuned to 7.8 hz is out of the question in this footprint but a Tesla generator ala 381.970 might be able to couple and lock to it with a little "kick" start.

Hmmmm.
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buzz-ard

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #376 on: April 21, 2008, 09:55:43 PM »
@ EMDevices

This is exactly the coil arrangement I'm concentrating on, except I'm not using a common at this point so I can drive the two primaries independently. I tried complete all-the-way around windings (as opposed to segmented) and got nothing of consequence.
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buzz-ard

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #377 on: April 21, 2008, 09:57:11 PM »
@ Localjoe

Thanks for the recognition. I built the ring only, 5" diameter and an inch and a half high, with 40 turns of baling wire for the core (not segmented as Tesla said to), primaries of 80 turns each segment of some really rotten aluminum hookup wire I couldn't bear to throw away before I used it for something, 15 turns of scrap 18 gauge copper wire for the secondaries, all wound more or less per the patent, and excited the primary with a single square wave at 3 Vpp (I like three volts for testing these builds as SM couldn't have been using much more than 2 AA batteries to launch the effect, IMHO). The best input frequency changed with the load that was applied, LEDs in this case. At the time I was interested primarily in the magnetic effects to determine whether there was any overlap with SM's device. As it turned out, one of the primary winding pairs was no good, so my testing was limited to half-wave results but accomplished the experimental goal anyway. It would spin a compass smoothly at 2 Hz with only half the device working (see attached photos), and frequencies up to about 30 Hz produced only a quivering of the compass needle confined within its own chosen segment domain. I do plan to revisit the Tesla device someday soon and build a serious replication.

I made the observation in another thread that SM may have used the Tesla patent as the basis for his thinking and saw that the generator/commutator portion could be eliminated with modern devices not available in the 19th century (MOSFETs). An on-board generator powering resonant coils is essentially what the TPU delivers. Our collaborative work here is all about the coils - I believe that the circuits to drive the device will be easy, as suggested by Jack Durban.
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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #378 on: April 21, 2008, 10:10:02 PM »
On the FTPU, I was wondering why I could not see enough connections to justify 8 coils all in quad. See the animation below. The quads jump from on level to the other. This way you can control both coil levels with one impulse and a back impulse. This will give you guys food for thought while I work out the other connections but it is not easy at all and very time consuming. Please consider the animation as the closest yet to the ftpu function.

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EMdevices

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #379 on: April 21, 2008, 10:10:12 PM »
Quote from: buzz-ard on April 21, 2008, 09:55:43 PM
@ EMDevices

This is exactly the coil arrangement I'm concentrating on, except I'm not using a common at this point. I tried complete all-the-way around windings (as opposed to segmented) and got nothing of consequence.

Hi buzz-ard,  I was just about to suggest coils all the way around, they would work great, and infact the OTPU, with the bifilar can make use of the bifilar for such winding. 

About not getting a result, as in a moving magnetic field I assume,  I should mention that for the configuration I showed, (where only one phase is available)   the resistance of coils is usualy very small, and the inductance kind of high, so all these things should be taken into consideration.   For example, if an output coil to loop back and act as the generator is placed more on Phase 2,  then it's like a transformer on those coils, and the input to the coils looks resistive  (or zero phase depending on the coupling factor).    But if left open, it's inductive, so the phasors will change and it won't rotate.   I've spent a lot of time pondering the phasors in a looped back system and there's things to consider.  

On the other hand,  if a phase with the capacitor is driven at resonance,  the reactances of those coils and the capacitor will cancel out and will leave a real value, (very low due to the low ohmic resistance of the windings)  so the current phasor at resonance will then have a phase of zero, and be in phase with the driving signal generator,  so you see you get zero phase from the resonant winding,  and zero phase on the other transformer winding, and that' s not good, they need to be 90 degree out of phase.

So what's the solution?   Well, maybe rotate the receiving unit  (to create the feedback) somewhat and find a sweet spot.   I've tried this as well and no luck , nothing lit up   :)   But it's still an interesting concept for me and some time later I might revisit these experiments.   With carefull engineering we should be able to engineer a system that never finds it's balance !!

EM
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buzz-ard

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #380 on: April 21, 2008, 10:36:43 PM »
@ EMdevices - I understand your points and they are good. In fact, your suggestion is superior to my approach with the balance it achieves. I think I've been resistant to adding any type of modifying device other than LEDs (cap, resistor, transformer, etc.) to my builds until one of them does something that warrants it. The LEDs are there just to maintain some level of load on the collector. Maybe I'm too far outside the box.

@ wattsup - Great animation. I think the group's thinking is starting to converge!

So far today, we're envisioning single control coil layers. I've had trouble reconciling SM saying to pulse one coil with one freq, then the next coil with the next freq, etc. This confuses me as it implies that there are either multiple 360-degree control coils enveloping underlying control coils (3 layers deep), or he's got a single layer of 120-degree control coils in 3 segments being fed three frequencies, which isn't clicking for me. Any thoughts for my current build, anyone?

This is getting exciting!

BTW - Thanks, Jason for working so hard on Jack's DVD. Just got mine off MediaFire and will assemble and watch tonight.
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Spider

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #381 on: April 21, 2008, 11:09:05 PM »
@all,

the animation gave my yet another idea..

I reread the PDF and stumbled on the following. Sm is talking about a rotating magnetic field like a ball. The possibility to rotate the field in 2 directions.
If we take a normal gyroscoop, it takes a force to rotate it in the direction perpenducular to its axis of rotation.
In the tpu, a rotating magnetic field is created by pulsing the 4 coils around the circumference.
What if, a second pulse frequency is used to tilt the rotating field out of tis vertical axis, and the earth pushes it back to its origional position, when the pulses are low, thus releasing the energy we are looking for. Maybe this "pushing back" has a certain optimal frequency we are looking for...

shoot it down please...

Greetings Rene
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hydrocontrol

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #382 on: April 21, 2008, 11:13:00 PM »
@Jack, Thanks for the release of the videos.  ;D

@All, One thing to think about is the use of capacitors to cause magnetic field rotation in three separate coils. I will refer to the Rotoverter diagram here
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Image:Rv002.jpg
to show a three phase motor running on only one phase using capacitors to cause field rotation in the three windings of the motor to cause rotor rotation. Perhaps having only one signal that is connected in a such a WYE coil configuration might be simpler for a TPU. For a TPU the capacitors would not have to be that large compared to a 3 phase motor. Perhaps about the size of a small AA battery..
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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #383 on: April 21, 2008, 11:13:02 PM »
@ chef,

this is weird, i typed my post without having read your post, because it wasnt posted yet...
and we are talking about the same...

The next thing I'll do is a crash course in remote viewing i think, to find the missing origional tpus...


Rene
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hydrocontrol

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #384 on: April 21, 2008, 11:15:34 PM »
Quote from: Spider on April 21, 2008, 11:13:02 PM
@ chef,
the next thing all do is a crash course in remote viewing i think, to find the missing origional tpus...
Rene
Take a look around Area 51  ;D ;D ;D ;D
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buzz-ard

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #385 on: April 21, 2008, 11:27:20 PM »
@ Spider - I've got RV training videos if you are serious...
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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #386 on: April 21, 2008, 11:35:37 PM »
Quote from: jdurban on April 21, 2008, 08:57:34 PM
Nice to see a return to the 90 degree displaced coil topology as that is the correct assumption. The gyroscopic effect was due to the four coils stepping from one to the next. There had to be a heck of a lot of energy present to create the physical effect motion like this. SM's references to resistance to motion was not a distraction or ruse. This device could be some type of resonant motor that performs like the Tesla 381,970 patent reveals.
Oh yes, of course the gyroscopic effect is caused by magnetostriction, and strongly suggests that the coils were energized like Tesla's in that patent.   Since the magnetized parts of the core are longer by about 1 part in 10000, the rotating field makes the shape of the core a spinning ellipse, even though the core is not spinning.
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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #387 on: April 22, 2008, 12:03:29 AM »

It is truly inspiring the spirit of cooperation I'm seeing here.

I don't know if we will ever really know how the SM TPU really worked...but from what I am seeing here something will be built that will be as good as or better.

You guys are putting out so much knowledge that of of us boobs just may say something outwardly irrelevant which may trigger an idea among with the background to run with it...a lot of things happen that way for people who pay attention to everything.

I am a firm believer in serindippity...my life took many positive turns because of it...there's nothing like having 'Great Expectations'.

Regards...
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Grumpy

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #388 on: April 22, 2008, 12:15:56 AM »
Quote from: Chef on April 21, 2008, 11:00:15 PM
Quote from: wattsup on April 21, 2008, 10:10:02 PM
On the FTPU, I was wondering why I could not see enough connections to justify 8 coils all in quad. See the animation below. The quads jump from on level to the other. This way you can control both coil levels with one impulse and a back impulse. This will give you guys food for thought while I work out the other connections but it is not easy at all and very time consuming. Please consider the animation as the closest yet to the ftpu function.



Nice drawing. Could you please tell more, what do you mean here  "This way you can control both coil levels with one impulse and a back impulse." ?

Do you know how magnetic field "created", and how "energy" move in a coil when pulse hit it? Do you know what is North and South pole? Where are these "poles" exactly, when pulse hit the coil, and how these "poles" changing in time?

Trust me, SM was right about understanding is important,not copying What all of you  are doing with checking videos, all is useless. As Jack said, SM was paranoid,so, what we can see in videos, all is not important,because if could be, SM was never allowed to tape, or cut these things.

Just some thought:

Gyroscopic effect.Did you played ever with gyro (not toy gyro)? If no,buy one. You will got in pack little motor,what you can connect to shaft to start the spinning. Gyro has high mass, in high speed have a momentum.... electric motor still connected, How many power we need to accelerate to 10k RPM, and
 after that hold on 10k RPM? If you spin an mass to enough high rate, something change. Buy one gyro, make experiments.

Did you heard about some scientist test, where they made magnet gyro, and they recognized, nearly after first run and stop, they need less power to achieve same speed? It's all interesting.

You need to recognize, "electrons" have same property as a matter, electron have a mass. More electron have more mass...it's all so simple.

When any pulse hit the coil, in very first time till the intelligent space equal themselves near the coil,actually you are trying to move the coil mass through space...

Answer is in basics...  


Chef,

Great message.
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Dansway

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #389 on: April 22, 2008, 12:21:04 AM »
What kind of crazy INDUCTION would this be?  A ball spinning in TWO DIRECTIONS?

The slight pulse delay would cause an EXPANDING and CONTRACTING magnetic wave-field to propagate down the length of the collector as it spins.

 ;D

Regards,

~Dan
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