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Author Topic: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban  (Read 391778 times)

Offline poynt99

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #285 on: April 20, 2008, 04:25:43 PM »
I have absolute proof its a fraud ... but i cant reveal my sources  ::)
Hi guys (and gals) long time no see .. hows things in ou land ?

Cheers,

Dean

you're going to have to do much better than that if you expect anyone to take your statement seriously.  ::)

if it's the "spirits" that have told you, take it elsewhere please. looks like this road has been traveled before.

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #286 on: April 20, 2008, 04:58:24 PM »
I have absolute proof its a fraud ... but i cant reveal my sources  ::)
With "absolute" you mean "none of the prototypes have worked under any circumstances"?
How about presenting the proof without the sources?

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #287 on: April 20, 2008, 05:00:41 PM »
@JD

For the OPTU Rings. You say Wood................... Are you absolutely sure, or on a scale from 1 to 10, how sure are you. lol
What about black Plexiglas. Or Masonite.

Based on the video for the FTPU and OTPU which I have downloaded as VOB2, is the original video you have of better quality or clarity. Any increase in clarity will make all the difference.

@dean_mcgowan

Start a new thread. You can release why you know it is a fraud without revealing your source.

@all

I am in the process of finalizing a preliminary diagram on the FTPU. Lots of new stuff to show.

One question to the EEers.

Since the FTPU is mounted on a metal spool, can the spool itself be used as the ground conductor. I need to now this because there is a discrepancy in the amount of wires seen and the required connections in the device. So I am wondering if certain parts of the circuit was grounded on the spool, this would eliminate the use of several returning conductors. So if the whole spool was grounded, is it possible for someone to handle or hold it in their hands without getting a shock.

General point: Please you guys, this is the discover stage so please spend more time watching the video and seeing if you can "observe" some new events. I know it's boring work but it is important. I use the VOB videos with Windows Media Classic which is really great because there is the step control that permits you to advance one frame at a time to compare components moving against a background. There is also the zoom and pan function that brings the image closer and you can move left and right up and down as well when closer.

I had a theory of pancake coils and my last observation trimmed it down considerably. So if you have a theory, look again and be open to knocking it down. This is the only way this will advance. With over 140 downloads, you would think there would be more "observations" posted by now.

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #287 on: April 20, 2008, 05:00:41 PM »
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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #288 on: April 20, 2008, 05:55:46 PM »
Simple Observation
I noticed on this image, that there appears to be either a lamination line where two pieces are joined together, or it could be a die cut line from being stamped out with a die cutter. If it is laminated, there could be wire(s) or other circuit components laminated in between the layers that we cannot see.

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #289 on: April 20, 2008, 06:06:30 PM »
good observation mudwump, but...

it's not important whether they are MDF or thin plywood. what IS important is the fact that they are not metal of any sort.

so onward: where is that collector coil hiding then?

i've not been able to spot one under the control windings, has anyone?

i wouldn't say it is buried in the ring either, it's too thin. so where?

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #290 on: April 20, 2008, 06:13:51 PM »
Alas, it is not good practice to dismiss an observation so fast. It is not too thin to do many things. I just find it a little odd to laminate two pieces when using one thicker piece would have sufficed.

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #291 on: April 20, 2008, 06:16:09 PM »
Alas, it is not good practice to dismiss an observation so fast. It is not too thin to do many things. I just find it a little odd to laminate two pieces when using one thicker piece would have sufficed.

Maybe there are two iron rings hidden inbetween two wooden halves and then laminated? Any way, dielectric substances can hold a lot of charge on their surfaces: this is what can be also important. Especially dielectrics composed of layers (or two halves as in this example).

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #292 on: April 20, 2008, 06:20:36 PM »
think what is probable

those rings are 1/4" thick, max, and could be as thin as 3/16"

if one tries to router out a channel for some wire, the thing is going to break, or at the very best become quite weak and prone to breaking and flexing.

so with an apparent lamination, it looks like thin plywood. it's not metal, and there's probably no wires hidden within. let's use the razor and move forward

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #293 on: April 20, 2008, 06:48:09 PM »
@Jdurban

Thanks for the quick reply.   In pat 381,970   Tesla says this

In the present application
my object is to describe the best and
most convenient manner of-which I am at presntly aware of carrying out the intention as applied
to a system of electrical distribution;
but one skilled i the art will readily understand
from the description by the modifications
proposed in said applications
, wherein the form of both the generator and converter
in the present case may be modified.

Said application numbers are Serial Nos. 252,132 and 256,561
But there pat numbers are 381,968  382,279


Sparks made a comment in another thread that seemed impt to this so i want to repeat it.

he said ""Steel in the core if you want to make an induction generator yes.  Steel outside the core if you want to make a dynamo. "  We were dicussing the uses of steel or not.   

After reviewing all the said modifiications tesla proposes throughout the first two patents then implmenting them on the 381,970 it becomes clear that these two devices could be combined into one.  The trick is rotating them properly.  The coils have to be a diametriclly oposite positions and run in series. Some of the thicker induced coils wound upon the copper may be shunted in the same ciruct . "Some in series, some in parallel".. similar to an old sm quote we had

 "It results from this
 that the different electrical phases in the generator
are attended by corresponding magnetic
changes in the converter; or, in other
words, that as the generator-coils revolve the
points of greatest magnetic intensity in the
converter will be progressively shifted or
whirled around"

He also notes many ways to build the two elements the feild coils and armature and different configs they can arranged in. The goal he wanted to convey in my mind was a version of the motor and generator combined into one device with no moving parts and no mechanical limitations.  This may not resemble the otpu but it sure does the others.
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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #294 on: April 20, 2008, 06:53:27 PM »
1/4 inch plywood - agreed. Then it measures between 3/16 anf 1/4 inch thick. That should allow fairly accurate scaling for other parts. Solid wood sheets that thick were no more available then than now.

If my current train of thought is correct then one of the three conductors of the twin-lead windings is a portion of the collector. That would be the one in-between bifilar control coil conductors.

@Wattsup
Wire spools of that size then were also made completely of plastic. A few had plastic ends and a rolled metal core but they were obvious. This one is obvious to me as the all plastic variety. The 'see-through hole' you pointed out would be the normal one - part of the spool manufacture. There is another hole closer to center that should not be there. ref: other pic uploads on this thread. There is no downloading huge files from my connection.

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #295 on: April 20, 2008, 06:55:57 PM »
@ wattsup

I doubt that the metal spool has any electrical connection to it all - in fact, I'm surprised at SM using anything metal this way. It wouldn't be electrically connected because it would then essentially become a core, and a damn sloppy one at that. It would ruin any beneficial effects of the coils.

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #296 on: April 20, 2008, 06:57:52 PM »
@jdurban

 the shell comment for the armature from ser. 252,132 pat no 381,968

This shell is preferably
formed with a slot or opening, r, but it may
be continuous, as shown by the dotted lines,
5 and in this event it ispreferably made of steel.
It is also desirable that this shell should be
divided up similarly to the armature and for
similar reasons. As a generator for driving
this motor 1 may use the device shown in Fig.
to 11. This represents an annular or ring armature,
A, surrounded by four coils, F F F' F', of
which those diametrically opposite are connected
in series, so that four free ends are left,
which are connected to the insulated contact-
's rings b b b' b'. The ring is suitably mounted
on a shaft, a', between the poles N S. The
contact-rings of each pair of generator-coils
are connected to these of the motor, respectively,
by means of contact-brushes and the
20 two pairs of conductors L L and L' L', as indicated
diagrammatically in Fig. 12. Now it
is obvious from a consideration of the preceding
figures that the rotation of the generatorring
produces currents in the coils F F', which,
12 5 being transmitted to the motor-coils, impart to
the core of the latter magnetic poles constantly
shifting or whirling around the core. This
effect sets up a rotation of the armature owing
to the attractive force between the shell
130 and the poles of the armature, but inasmuch
as the coils in this ease move relative to the
shell or field- magnet the movement of the
coils is in the opposite direction to the progressive
shifting of the poles.
35 Other arrangements of the coils of both generator
and motor are possible, and a greater
number of circuits may be used, as will be seen
in the two succeeding figures.


Again thanks for your time i know you have a family to attend to and it is sunday.  Its folks like you willing to help our generation that will make the difference
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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #297 on: April 20, 2008, 07:01:52 PM »
What I see missing from these discussions in defining functionality via the videos is scalability. Scalability is the most important clue you have to work with here. Ask yourself what functions have to be common among every device from the smallest to the largest TPU and then look for those clues.

This will make it rather obvious that materials are of little import as revealed by the use of wood, a wire spool with plastic end caps and a metallic wire spool as forms and chassis frames.

And once again this forensic approach will completely dismiss batteries as a means of defrauding viewers. Batteries of any chemistry especially nicad was grossly incapable of delivering this kind of power in a AA form factor. And if the scalability factor is considered as it must to be of any consequence, then the smallest TPU would not be possible yet we see it with our own eyes. Now someone with a lot of imagination could say that the small unit has hundreds of mercury button cells in it but hopefully we can all agree that this one step forward, two steps back is getting tedious.




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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #298 on: April 20, 2008, 07:02:03 PM »
If my current train of thought is correct then one of the three conductors of the twin-lead windings is a portion of the collector. That would be the one in-between bifilar control coil conductors.

could you elaborate? are you alluding to a trifilar winding?

always thought the control winding on the otpu was that clear-type speaker wire; 2-conductor

@ Jack. are you able to add anything here as to what those control windings were based on what you saw? any wire going underneath? was it simple 2-conductor speaker wire, was there a 3rd conductor along side?
thanks

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #299 on: April 20, 2008, 07:16:57 PM »
@ poynt99

He mentioned the patent im dicussing it .. all the things needed can be bought at rat shack .. including the antenna bailing wire i sold it commonnly to folks to hold there new vu-90 or vu-180 antennas up. Just silver stuff, there hookup wire and other wires come on spools and you can get down to like 4 gauge power maybey even smaller in the back if that store still has real wire spools.

There is too much coiencidence from our old info to our new to not belive what jack is saying.. Read the tesla patent and the two others mentioned in it i mentiond above as well.
 You can have multiple working circuits superimposed upon one another and there gauge and type of wire will decide whether a current of large or small quantity is produceded through that but this device goes much deeper its a combination of a motor and a generator that runs itself and outputs excess possibly from the revolutons of the generator vs the motor ammt of winds. Also no moving parts.
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