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Author Topic: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban  (Read 413738 times)

Offline poynt99

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #1065 on: June 24, 2008, 06:46:22 AM »
Could it be that the little toroids are to isolate and limit the feedback?  Naw!  Only been around since the 1920's.

 :)  ;)

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #1066 on: June 25, 2008, 07:14:51 PM »
@poynt99

I don't know why you cannot see it but it is very flagrantly visible in the two first photos I posted above. Where the arrow points to the two wires, it is so obvious. There is not 4 wires ther, only two. You can tell simply by the thickness (or should I say thinness). Also if you follow the front white and black wires, you see they come together and only one wire then goes into the bundle. You can even follow it in the bundle as it is folded under the tape to take up the wire slack then is goes to the back end.

@All

OK tonight I will start doing testing with a build FTPU CC/collector plus a ferrite bucking style toroid. For pulsing I am using an IRF840 with my frequency generator connected to the base. I tested with a small 12volt light and it works perfectly by sending the positive through the collector/emitter of the transistor.

This is great because I will be  able to try out many wiring configurations as well as trying to replicate the Tesla Ozone Patent method as well using the TPU design. Just a hunch. lol

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #1067 on: June 25, 2008, 09:15:53 PM »

Hey wattsup...very commendable effort being put forth on your part.

You are doing some excellent research...my fingers are crossed.

I'll be watching for updates...keep up the good work.

Regards...



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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #1068 on: June 26, 2008, 12:52:35 AM »
@poynt99

I don't know why you cannot see it but it is very flagrantly visible in the two first photos I posted above. Where the arrow points to the two wires, it is so obvious. There is not 4 wires ther, only two. You can tell simply by the thickness (or should I say thinness). Also if you follow the front white and black wires, you see they come together and only one wire then goes into the bundle. You can even follow it in the bundle as it is folded under the tape to take up the wire slack then is goes to the back end.

sorry wattsup, i just don't see the same thing you see  :)

to me it's obvious that the 4 wires go into a bundle and travel to the back ;) i see thick bundles all the way, not thin.

if SM wanted them connected in parallel, why didn't he do that right at the toroid? then he'd only have to run 2 wires into the bundle. if SM potted these guys himself (the current theory i think), then that would have been the logical thing to do, but he didn't.

also, why waste a nice toroid common-mode choke for an application that turns it into a simple inductor? he could have used any basic toroid inductor for this, but he didn't.

have you asked yourself these two questions?

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #1069 on: June 26, 2008, 02:57:08 AM »
@poynt99

I would agree with you. See the attached old images.

Kames.

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #1070 on: June 26, 2008, 04:31:00 AM »
Based on excellent observations and detective work by wattsup and poynt99, I offer this schematic as a starting point. There are many blanks to fill in concerning circuitry. Since SM says the units "run with gain" "like a furnace that feeds itself" I would recommend limiting input power in all tests to that available from a common 9V battery. If it won't start with that, the configuration is obviously wrong and overpowering the drive to the circuit may mask or swamp subtler phenomena.

Can the common mode chokes serve as terminators and reflectors for pulses traveling up and down the quad transmission lines? L7 may be the drive coil and/or is used to "disable the effects of flux"

......V
« Last Edit: June 26, 2008, 05:28:19 AM by Vortex1 »

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #1071 on: June 26, 2008, 05:32:23 AM »
interesting idea V, have you tried this?

would L7 be the outer winding?

i wonder what your diagram would look like with a single toroid version as in the FTPU  :)

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #1072 on: June 26, 2008, 06:00:22 AM »
L7 appears to be an outer winding, enters and exits alongside the fat bundles. It would be great if wattsup could take his very diligently created pictorial and turn it into a schematic.

Somewhere in the compilations SM admitted to using an external resistor in series with the output when demonstrating the flame-like discharge, but I can't locate it at this time. Otherwise there would have been quite a bang from those lytics charged to 800 V.

I imagine the smaller unit (ftpu) could have used two fewer lines  and a single transformer. This proof of concept unit may represent a slice (vertical cross section) of techniques used and extended through rotation in the larger high power unit (SM17)

....V

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #1073 on: June 26, 2008, 06:14:04 AM »
i found these:

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6 About the Flame like Discharge. Yes it does cause RF burns. I was going to talk about that, but I decided to wait and see how long it would take one of you to realize this on your own. Bravo!

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By the way, the fire discharge everyone sees in the video is after the output of the device is switched through a large high value resister! I hope that will wake up a few of you to the danger potentials.

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #1074 on: June 26, 2008, 07:47:45 AM »
@Jack Durban - Greetings! In your time with Steven, did you ever see the Tripplite unit featured in his demonstrations, the one used to power the TV, drill, etc? Did he ever mention anything about what he may have done to adapt it to the TPU? Thanks for anything you may recall.

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #1075 on: June 26, 2008, 03:37:31 PM »
@kames and poynt99

This would eventually have to be tested both ways otherwise we'll be going back and forth forever. Just know that on the right toroid there is another wire going into the toroid side bundle making five wires in the bundle. See my third image above.

@Vortex1

Nice circuit. I tried the other day something similar.

I have tried approaching a magnet to many types of bucking and other types of toroids and measured power output of the toroid. None. Zilch. Nada. We know all the devices ran off batteries so there is no shame in doing the same. So you wil need a power source.

"It would be great if wattsup could take his very diligently created pictorial and turn it into a schematic."
I don't understand what you mean by this.

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #1076 on: June 27, 2008, 01:41:10 PM »
Hi Wattsup

Sorry if I wasn't clear in  what I was trying to convey. I think you have done a great job in meticulously tracing out all the wiring in the SM17 . This must have been many painstaking hours of effort and careful scrutiny.

I was merely suggesting that a schematic would clarify a few things. With your permission I will try to take elements of your SM17-D1 and put them into schematic format.

Thanks for all your hard work.........V

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #1077 on: June 27, 2008, 02:08:53 PM »
After reading a bit more about magnetostrictive materials, it seems that many materials used for toroidal cores are magnetostrictive, with a comparably high magnetomechanical coupling coefficient (around 0.3).

E.g. Nickel, CoNi, AlFe, NiCoFe.

So, if the hypothesis of acoustic stimulation is valid, core composed of any of these materials should produce required performance. So, not just Terfenol-D is usable. Beside that it seems that permanent magnet biasing may be used for achieving a better magnetomechanical coupling.

And one more "better" MSM material:
http://web.mit.edu/bobohand/www/gerver/www/fsma/b/index.html

Also interesting is that this article notes that laminated MSM perform better with AC - that may be the reason why SM's TPUs are laminated (even the open TPU looks like a laminated ring). So, if SM used "custom" designed cores, this could pretty well describe why they were laminated with a tape by hand. Not to hide anything, but to improve performance.

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #1078 on: June 27, 2008, 04:33:37 PM »
Sorry for ranting, but if magnetostrictive nature of the effect is valid, SM TPU may be seen as a device similar to Keely's motor, because as I've studied it, Keely's motor solely depends on mechanical resonance and accumulation of mechanical energy in the system - I did a more involved post here on Overunity.com before about my understanding of Keely's motor - check my posts if you are interested - however, at that time I made no connection with magnetic fields.

Now, if you pretend Keely's motor internal mechanical resonance produced "overunity" AC magnetic oscillation, you'll quickly see how SM TPU and Keely's motor can be similar. Keely attached this AC field to drive a motor. SM used it to generate electricity. Both are misunderstood, both were supposedly working.

Well, to describe my idea from a bit different perspective... First of all, acoustic mode that produces a destructive interference produces an area of a very small density within the matter - it almost cuts a piece of metal into two parts. If you add Casimir force (which appears inbetween two closely-standing metallic plates having the same charge) into equation you'll probably understand where overunity may appear. Now just stop (or change the phase of) the acoustic stimulation at regular intervals and you'll get a varying Casimir force. This force may supposedly affect surrounding matter and may manifest itself as ambient force field - it may not be a force that just works between the plates as theory tells - it has to affect any surrounding matter I think. Just pretend this force is non-reactive - i.e. when it interacts with external fields it does not move plates, and viola - you have a source of pure overunity. (do not say anyone I told this ;) )
« Last Edit: June 27, 2008, 04:59:50 PM by aleks »

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #1079 on: June 27, 2008, 05:39:13 PM »
@Vortex1

You don't need my persmission but thanks for asking. A little while back, in possible anticipation that some would have interest in making a circuit diagram, I had posted the following as quoted and copied below in the other JD thread located here.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4299.msg85290.html#msg85290

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I have put up my wiring diagram based on the Large TPU - LTPU.

I would hope that forum members could use this as a standard guideline when formulating theories of operation, etc. Look guys, this is the nut and bolts reality of the LTPU as it is known today. Not the theory, no grand postulations, no deformations, just the reality of the apparatus itself.

Hopefully..............................................................technical drawing guys here will start a new thread called SM17-WD-XX Wiring Diagram, and convene together on a common circuit drawing program that all can use so that you can exchange the editable master that could be edited by more and more to put in the coils. If you take my drawing and put it in circuit diagram form and from there you can work out the coiling scheme you're halfway there.
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So if you feel up to it, maybe start a new thread so you control the first post where you can post your first circuit diagram interpretation using a mutually convened program so others can then help in the process. This way you control the first post and can update the circuit diagram for quick reference by all and also keep available a copy of the working file on the same first post. Use the XX as the version number.

I am sure that once guys see a current diagram in a true schematic form, even if it has open areas, it will give the guys a more intuitive look at the TPU and hopefully more directly related ideas will come from it.

@alex

How much power do you think one would need to create such a magnetorestrictive action (MRA). Is the power level small enough to fit inside a TPU? If the TPU does not use batteries, then any theory would have to start with 0 volts and work its way up. If it does use batteries, then the theory would have to start at that voltage level and work its way up. If the theory requires power that goes above and beyond any feasible power availability in a TPU, then the theory should be dropped or shown to comply in a new way to the TPU.

I know we all consider the gyroscopic effect of the TPUs and this can be thought of as an MRA, but it could also simply be the action of continuously pulsing a left then right coil. You may physically feel the pusling action but it does not mean it is an intentional MRA, but a byproduct of the overall effects.